NSW Dogs in Cafes & Pubs

[Caesar]

It always amazes me how much special treatment people's mutts get in society compared to other animals/pets.

Most pets don’t need as much exercise and socialisation as dogs.

The fact that owners in Australia can’t really take their dogs with them when they’re out and about during their normal day really damages the quality of life that most dogs have.

The same is not really true for cats, birds, fish, turtles etc.

 

[Power Raid]

This has been a matter of some contention in NSW recently.

Various ‘dog friendly’ cafes and pubs around the state have popped up over the years, allowing dogs inside their premises. Unfortunately this technically contravenes the Food Act, which only permits dogs in outdoor areas.

Councils have been cracking down and it has made a lot of people very unhappy. The Greens have introduced a private members’ bill to amend the Food Act, to allow dogs inside under much the same conditions as they are currently permitted outside (on leash, water only, min. 10m from food prep areas).

How do you feel about dogs being allowed inside premises that serve food and drinks?

This should be up to the owner of the business and then up to customers as to whether they wish to bring their business there

It should never have been an area the govt needed to intervene and enact law

 

[Kram]

Most pets don’t need as much exercise and socialisation as dogs.

The fact that owners in Australia can’t really take their dogs with them when they’re out and about during their normal day really damages the quality of life that most dogs have.

The same is not really true for cats, birds, fish, turtles etc.

It's an animal, not a miniature human like some people seem to like to think. If you don't live in a place that has appropriate free space for a dog to get the required exercise then maybe just don't get one.

 

[AM]

If the proprietor of the business thinks it's okay, then I think it's a great idea.

I guess the customers will soon let him/her know if it's unacceptable. Probably be sufficient for us to not return.

 

[Chief]

an open beer garden with direct street access.

This is promising. But you need an area that hasn’t been developed. Fence in a car park.

 

[Caesar]

It's an animal, not a miniature human like some people seem to like to think.

I don’t see anyone suggesting dogs are miniature humans.

If you don't live in a place that has appropriate free space for a dog to get the required exercise then maybe just don't get one.

You can have tons of space and the dog will still need the mental and social stimulation that comes from outings to new places with their owner.

Good dog owners give their dogs that by walking them daily and taking them to spaces where they can interact with other people and dogs. However that is time consuming and difficult when there are unnecessary legal restrictions that prevent you from going other places and doing other things whilst you are out.

I don’t really understand why you are so opposed to people taking their dogs into businesses run by owners that are happy to have them.

 

[Kurve]

I guess the customers will soon let him/her know if it's unacceptable. Probably be sufficient for us to not return.

If the business is marketed as dog friendly and it bothers you, I'd expect you wouldn't go in there to begin with but you're more likely to get a dose of food poisoning or pick up a germ from a $100 a plate smorgasbord or buffet if that would be your concern.

 

[yodellinhank]

If the business is marketed as dog friendly and it bothers you, I'd expect you wouldn't go in there to begin with but you're more likely to get a dose of food poisoning or pick up a germ from a $100 a plate smorgasbord or buffet if that would be your concern.

They don't have smoke friendly eateries, why should they have dog friendly ones?

 

[Kurve]

They don't have smoke friendly eateries, why should they have dog friendly ones?

You can still smoke in certain areas or outside but the law is turning against smokers and beginning to turn in favour of animals.

The ACT has become the first jurisdiction in Australia to change the legal status of animals from being purely 'property' to sentient beings.

Animals are now 'sentient beings' in Canberra: What does that mean for pet owners?

Canberra has passed laws recognising the 'intrinsic value' of animals — what does that mean for pet owners?

www.abc.net.au

 

[medusala]

So are countless other pets. Whilst I don't have one I really like dogs, but they aren't really much different or 'special'.

Yes they are.

Guide dogs
police dogs
drug dogs
sheep dogs
comfort dogs
etc etc

 

[medusala]

I don’t really understand why you are so opposed to people taking their dogs into businesses run by owners that are happy to have them.

Dogs in pubs in London are extremely common. All the local pubs near me leave out a water bowl and two have a treat jar for dogs.

Most have a rule that dogs are ok in the bar but not in the separate dining area if there is one.

 

[yodellinhank]

You can still smoke in certain areas or outside but the law is turning against smokers and beginning to turn in favour of animals.

The ACT has become the first jurisdiction in Australia to change the legal status of animals from being purely 'property' to sentient beings.

Animals are now 'sentient beings' in Canberra: What does that mean for pet owners?

Canberra has passed laws recognising the 'intrinsic value' of animals — what does that mean for pet owners?

www.abc.net.au

"Cockroach infestation? These are just our resident sentient beings..."

 

[Power Raid]

It's an animal, not a miniature human like some people seem to like to think. If you don't live in a place that has appropriate free space for a dog to get the required exercise then maybe just don't get one.

The exercise requirements for humans and dogs is not high. However the socialisation needs for both humans and dogs is high.

Modern work environments are allowing dogs to address this and replace the cigarettes as the social excuse. cafes and restaurants will follow, just like Europe, allowing socialisation and exercise to fit into ordinary daily activities.

Perhaps dogs will play a role in managing mental health and reduce suffering and displace the need for drugs.

 

[Power Raid]

They don't have smoke friendly eateries, why should they have dog friendly ones?

Because we have a Medicare system and the society has supported the governments attempts to reduce the wastage of tax payers funds by phasing out smoking step by step

Why confuse two very different issues?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

This has been a matter of some contention in NSW recently.

Various ‘dog friendly’ cafes and pubs around the state have popped up over the years, allowing dogs inside their premises. Unfortunately this technically contravenes the Food Act, which only permits dogs in outdoor areas.

Councils have been cracking down and it has made a lot of people very unhappy. The Greens have introduced a private members’ bill to amend the Food Act, to allow dogs inside under much the same conditions as they are currently permitted outside (on leash, water only, min. 10m from food prep areas).

How do you feel about dogs being allowed inside premises that serve food and drinks?

Realistically, if they're the rules, if you take a dog into a cafe, how many will be 10m or more from the food prep area? I would suggest none.

I'm a big dog lover and would have no drama having them inside, as long as I didn't trip over the mooches.

 

[AM]

If the business is marketed as dog friendly and it bothers you, I'd expect you wouldn't go in there to begin with but you're more likely to get a dose of food poisoning or pick up a germ from a $100 a plate smorgasbord or buffet if that would be your concern.

The last part of the post has little bearing. As for the first part, that is true, and it would be reflected in patronage - as I was saying. Love my woofer, but wouldn't consider taking her to an eatery.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If this is allowed for dogs, should this be allowed for other reasonably-sized animals too if the owner permits it? It'd be fun to walk into the pub with a duck or a chicken.

 

[Kurve]

The last part of the post has little bearing. As for the first part, that is true, and it would be reflected in patronage - as I was saying. Love my woofer, but wouldn't consider taking her to an eatery.

Would you if it was a 'dog cafe'?

 

[Gough]

My mate's wife worked at Terminal 3 in customs at Heathrow and long story short they ended up adopting a retired drug sniffer dog which could be very awkward when you took it into a pub because she would sometimes go up to someone, nibble at their pocket and then sit there looking pleased with herself. He'd then have to go up, apologise and explain that he wasn't an undercover cop.

 

[AM]

Would you if it was a 'dog cafe'?

"Dog cafe"?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Don't really care about dogs at cafes; they're usually quiet, respectful and stationary. Even people who don't like dogs can opt-out of being around them at most places just by choosing to sit inside where dogs aren't allowed.

Kids on the other hand... The first adults only cafe to open in Melbourne will make a fortune.

 

[Gough]

Don't really care about dogs at cafes; they're usually quiet, respectful and stationary. Even people who don't like dogs can opt-out of being around them at most places just by choosing to sit inside where dogs aren't allowed.

Kids on the other hand... The first adults only cafe to open in Melbourne will make a fortune.

Kids and dogs are interchangeable in pubs and cafes. As long as they sit down and shut up it's all good.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Should be more of it, much rather have a group of dogs then screaming out of control kids.
Dogs are awesome

 

[HairyO]

You can still smoke in certain areas or outside but the law is turning against smokers and beginning to turn in favour of animals.

The ACT has become the first jurisdiction in Australia to change the legal status of animals from being purely 'property' to sentient beings.

Animals are now 'sentient beings' in Canberra: What does that mean for pet owners?

Canberra has passed laws recognising the 'intrinsic value' of animals — what does that mean for pet owners?

www.abc.net.au

Few would doubt the average dog being more intelligent than the average politician and bureaucrat.

No issue with disabled people having required dogs.

Do take issue with bullshit "support" pet claims - but Im sure they matter for some.

Not a fan of places which allow dogs but if its clearly marked I would probably go somewhere else .

 

[Nikita Blue]

Absolutely no way and they shouldn't be allowed in bunnings either. Some shops maybe but not all.

Why shouldn't they be allowed in Bunnings?

We are so backward compared to Europe.