Opinion Dom Sheed

[steve hucka]

I think he will be a decent player but by no means do I think he will be a powerhouse of the competition, My old mans mate is a recruiter for a big club they were only going to look at sheed if he got into the 30s

 

[Dark Sharks]

Yes, on the basis of this.

Skill =/= Masten
Physical and Athletically =/= S.Selwood

Sorry ER, explain to me what that means, i'm not up to date with all the keyboard lingo ^

I'm not dissing the 6 gamer sheed, he's OBVIOUSLY going to improve so anybody saying stupid shit like "he's only played six games bro stop judging him..." is missing the point.

I'm passing judgement on the player i think he will eventually become, not what he is now. No doubt he'll improve, but like i've said time and time again, i believe he has a very LOW ceiling. I don't think he will ever improve to anything other then a B grade midfielder with his attributes. Which annoys the hell out of me because our team is full of those right now.

At a time when all of us were calling for something different to our vanilla midfield for several years, we draft Sheed. Who is as vanilla as it gets.

It wasn't a popular opinion before we drafted him and it's even less popular now, but like E87 did years ago with Priddis, i'm calling it early.


The same people saying "Sheed will be a jet", said the same things about Sheppard, Masten and Selwood years ago.

 

[steve hucka]

• Sorry ER, explain to me what that means, i'm not up to date with all the keyboard lingo ^
  
  I'm not dissing the 6 gamer sheed, he's OBVIOUSLY going to improve so anybody saying stupid shit like "he's only played six games bro stop judging him..." is missing the point.
  
  I'm passing judgement on the player i think he will eventually become, not what he is now. No doubt he'll improve, but like i've said time and time again, i believe he's has a very LOW ceiling. I don't think he will ever improve to anything other then a B grade midfielder with his attributes. Which annoys the hell out of me because our team is full of those right now.
  
  At a time when all of us have been calling for something different to our vanilla midfield for several years, we draft Sheed. Who is as vanilla as it gets.
  
  It wasn't a popular opinion before we drafted him and it's even less popular now, but like E87 did years ago with Priddis, i'm calling it early.
  
  
  The same people saying "Sheed will be a jet", said the same things about Sheppard, Masten and Selwood years ago.

  We'll said exactly my thoughts but im more than happy if he proves me wrong !

 

[Eagle87]

I think he will be a decent player but by no means do I think he will be a powerhouse of the competition, My old mans mate is a recruiter for a big club they were only going to look at sheed if he got into the 30s

Then he'd have been in the same position as Simon Black .. in the 30's... three picks after Rowan Jones ... (Yes, imagine that midfield if we'd switched picks)....

 

[jaxxon]

Then he'd have been in the same position as Simon Black .. in the 30's... three picks after Rowan Jones ... (Yes, imagine that midfield if we'd switched picks)....

But who would have tried hard with their limited skill?

 

[Dark Sharks]

But who would have tried hard with their limited skill?

Chick

 

[Eagle87]

But who would have tried hard with their limited skill?

We'd have found someone ...

I've had the discussion times past though ... a rotation of Cox, Judd, Cousins, Kerr & Black might have been unfair ... But in these down times it's nice to consider the hypothetical

 

[jaxxon]

Chick

I would have also accepted Armstrong.

We'd have found someone ...

I've had the discussion times past though ... a rotation of Cox, Judd, Cousins, Kerr & Black might have been unfair ... But in these down times it's nice to consider the hypothetical

Probably would have given us 05, and at least a GF in 07.

 

[steve hucka]

Then he'd have been in the same position as Simon Black .. in the 30's... three picks after Rowan Jones ... (Yes, imagine that midfield if we'd switched picks)....

Time will tell let's hope he comes good

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Sorry ER, explain to me what that means, i'm not up to date with all the keyboard lingo ^

Athletically similar to Selwood and Skills are similar to Masten. Leaves him with plenty more potential than either.

It wasn't a popular opinion before we drafted him and it's even less popular now, but like E87 did years ago with Priddis, i'm calling it early.

The same people saying "Sheed will be a jet", said the same things about Sheppard, Masten and Selwood years ago.

I don't see much in the way of clarity regarding you're views on Sheed. Beyond saying he doesn't look like a top liner that is.

A lot of what i think Sheed needs to improve upon can easily be improved upon with hard work and application, a little different to Priddis who was always limited by both physical and skill issues.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I don't see much in the way of clarity regarding you're views on Sheed. Beyond saying he doesn't look like a top liner that is.

A lot of what i think Sheed needs to improve upon can easily be improved upon with hard work and application, a little different to Priddis who was always limited by both physical and skill issues.

Slow, and going to get even slower. Also add in his height, small, to go with the rest of our midfield. Haven't seen enough of his overhead marking but I have my doubts. He's well balanced and has no standout attribute. Just a good old fashioned "all rounder". No line breaking run, pace, evasiveness or flare. I also think his versatility will be an issue. Only presuming here, but I'd hazard a guess that he'll be just like Matt, in the fact he doesn't have the ability to play anywhere else on the ground due to his pace.

Just generic Vanilla. Priddis with a better kick perhaps? B grade version of Hutchings rather then a C grade.

I'm not saying he is a poor player, or will develop into a poor one. No doubt he'll get bigger, cleaner, start winning his own ball more, and laying tackles. He's just going to be more of what we already have. And did not need.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Hoping that he'll improve next year, but he has shown little this year so far. IMO, he needs to improve his confidence and add more bulk.

 

[Galileo9]

Sorry ER, explain to me what that means, i'm not up to date with all the keyboard lingo ^

I'm not dissing the 6 gamer sheed, he's OBVIOUSLY going to improve so anybody saying stupid shit like "he's only played six games bro stop judging him..." is missing the point.

I'm passing judgement on the player i think he will eventually become, not what he is now. No doubt he'll improve, but like i've said time and time again, i believe he has a very LOW ceiling. I don't think he will ever improve to anything other then a B grade midfielder with his attributes. Which annoys the hell out of me because our team is full of those right now.

At a time when all of us were calling for something different to our vanilla midfield for several years, we draft Sheed. Who is as vanilla as it gets.

It wasn't a popular opinion before we drafted him and it's even less popular now, but like E87 did years ago with Priddis, i'm calling it early.


The same people saying "Sheed will be a jet", said the same things about Sheppard, Masten and Selwood years ago.

he is pretty much negative on everyone no matter what the situation. even if we win a premiership. hell of a reference

 

[Eagle87]

he is pretty much negative on everyone no matter what the situation. even if we win a premiership. hell of a reference

Bullshit.

I'm negative on the last 7 seasons because we've been generally poor.

We need to improve, warm pats on the back all round won't get us there.

If you've got an issue with something I post feel free to take me on in an argument.

Gratuitous potshots when other posters reference me is lame.

 

[Masto]

Bullshit.

I'm negative on the last 7 seasons because we've been generally poor.

We need to improve, warm pats on the back all round won't get us there.

If you've got an issue with something I post feel free to take me on in an argument.

Gratuitous potshots when other posters reference me is lame.

What a massive generalisation. What is 'generally poor'? Is making a prelim 'generally poor'? It's a nothing statement that reveals nothing and adds nothing to the debate.

 

[The_Reaper]

But who would have tried hard with their limited skill?

Braun?

Though I'd love him at the moment

 

[Empire_Persian]

Did anybody here have the analytical ability to see Josh Kennedy or Nat Fyfe becoming elite midfielders after only watching their sixth game?

If you are suggesting that you can 'see' Dom Sheed won't become elite after six games, I assume you could 'see' those players becoming elite after six games.

 

[Eagle87]

What a massive generalisation. What is 'generally poor'? Is making a prelim 'generally poor'? It's a nothing statement that reveals nothing and adds nothing to the debate.

Flog alert ...

I would have thought my posts for the last 7 years provided the detail of my position. You want me to quote them all ....

We were a team in decline who benefitted from the last kicks of greatness from some club greats in 2011 and parts of 2012 ...

I was calling for us trading for mids end of 2011 & 2012 because the weaknesses were apparent ...

I don't call one off prelims success, no.

As part of a build to genuine flag contention great but we were a product of some aging greats and some luck and we were still levels below the best sides. Then we sat back Richmond style and rubbed a few out ...

We've been poor with a couple of somewhat meaningless aberrations (false dawns) - I call that generally poor.

Are you slightly masochistic? Do you like beatings for fun?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Did anybody here have the analytical ability to see Josh Kennedy or Nat Fyfe becoming elite midfielders after only watching their sixth game?

If you are suggesting that you can 'see' Dom Sheed won't become elite after six games, I assume you could 'see' those players becoming elite after six games.

No, but it's not so black and white. I saw Fyfes potential right at the start yes.

I don't even remember Kennedy at Hawthorn so i'm not in a position to make the call on what i thought he'd become.

Fyfe had the attributes right from the get go to become something massive. Tall, bullshit mark on him, quick, agile... etc etc. His ball winning ability has been his major improvement and that's something that looked doubtful, but i'm not surprised with how he's turned out.

When you pick the same 180cm small midfielders with slow pace, and absolutely none ^ of fyfes attributes time and time again, i start to get a bit doubtful.

How could sheed possibly be anything other then a Boyd, Priddis type of inside grunt? And aren't we drafting a specialist version of that again this year with Waterman? Okay so what, we've got Sheed, Waterman, Masten and Selwood all in the midfield next year?

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

No, but it's not so black and white. I saw Fyfes potential right at the start yes.

I don't even remember Kennedy at Hawthorn so i'm not in a position to make the call on what i thought he'd become.

Fyfe had the attributes right from the get go to become something massive. Tall, bullshit mark on him, quick, agile... etc etc. His ball winning ability has been his major improvement and that's something that looked doubtful, but i'm not surprised with how he's turned out.

When you pick the same 180cm small midfielders with slow pace, and absolutely none ^ of fyfes attributes time and time again, i start to get a bit doubtful.

How could sheed possibly be anything other then a Boyd, Priddis type of inside grunt? And aren't we drafting a specialist version of that again this year with Waterman? Okay so what, we've got Sheed, Waterman, Masten and Selwood all in the midfield next year?

Watermans currently 186cm and has a quick first 10m

 

[Chris_6678]

Watermans currently 186cm and has a quick first 10m

Has he grown? Thought he was 182cm's

 

[The Dodger]

Did anybody here have the analytical ability to see Josh Kennedy or Nat Fyfe becoming elite midfielders after only watching their sixth game?

If you are suggesting that you can 'see' Dom Sheed won't become elite after six games, I assume you could 'see' those players becoming elite after six games.

Yeah Fyfe had me interested when he was a skinny kid on the half forward flank. Had the ability to read the play better than his opponent and took numerous grabs that he shouldn't have so to speak. Josh Kennedy I didn't see that much of. I saw him in and out of the Hawks mostly as a half forward trying to survive in a forward line in a team that was so Franklin conscious at that stage.

 

[dajesmac]

Watermans currently 186cm and has a quick first 10m

I reckon you're confused with Jake Waterman?

Alec is ~181cm.

 

[Sammy J]

Would just be good to see Dom show something. Was obviously quiet on Friday night, but I've barely noticed him in any games we have played so far.

Still, give the kid time to adjust to the size of the players and the speed of the game. I'm sure he will show his worth eventually.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Slow, and going to get even slower. Also add in his height, small, to go with the rest of our midfield. Haven't seen enough of his overhead marking but I have my doubts. He's well balanced and has no standout attribute. Just a good old fashioned "all rounder". No line breaking run, pace, evasiveness or flare. I also think his versatility will be an issue. Only presuming here, but I'd hazard a guess that he'll be just like Matt, in the fact he doesn't have the ability to play anywhere else on the ground due to his pace.

Just generic Vanilla. Priddis with a better kick perhaps? B grade version of Hutchings rather then a C grade.

I'm not saying he is a poor player, or will develop into a poor one. No doubt he'll get bigger, cleaner, start winning his own ball more, and laying tackles. He's just going to be more of what we already have. And did not need.

I'm not sure what you consider slow, because Sheed isn't slow. Certainly he gets to the ball drop quickly and is thus under the ball a lot, which makes him appear very flat at stoppages. How can you predict he'll get slower? because he'll add weight? hardly determinative in it's own right. If it's functional mass it could make him quicker for all we know.

Overhead marking is ok, isn't big enough through the core yet and isn't the broadest shouldered player going around.

Bolded part is rubbish, what Sheed lacks for explosive pace he makes up for in pace over the ground on account of his long stride length for his height. Sheed also tests strongly in the agility stakes, can twist, weave and work his way to give himself enough time to do what is needed. He's not on the elite bracket for agility, but is above average.

No, but it's not so black and white. I saw Fyfes potential right at the start yes.

Fyfe had the attributes right from the get go to become something massive. Tall, bullshit mark on him, quick, agile... etc etc. His ball winning ability has been his major improvement and that's something that looked doubtful, but i'm not surprised with how he's turned out.

When you pick the same 180cm small midfielders with slow pace, and absolutely none ^ of fyfes attributes time and time again, i start to get a bit doubtful.

How could sheed possibly be anything other then a Boyd, Priddis type of inside grunt? And aren't we drafting a specialist version of that again this year with Waterman? Okay so what, we've got Sheed, Waterman, Masten and Selwood all in the midfield next year?

To be frank you're relying on simplifications as much as anyone else.

Fyfe isn't particularly explosive quick, i've never heard anyone describe him as so, he's mobile and agile for his height and uses it to all of it's advantage by remaining in motion as much as possible.

In terms of pace, playing style and size. Sheed and Waterman are nothing alike, we aren't getting the same player twice. Sheed is longer of limb and agile, not particularly quick over his first few meters but picks up the pace after that, plays laterally at stoppages on account of him reading the taps quickly and has distinct inside and outside games.

Waterman is shorter in his legs, has a wider frame through the legs, core and shoulders. He's better on the transition play and plays a more direct and shorter kicking game. Is more explosive of his first few steps and slows up more when covering ground on the outside. There is less distinction between his inside and outside games, ala Shuey.

Re: the bolded. Like Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis at Hawthorn, both slow inside midfielders? better to compare Sheed to low skill inside midfielders to drive home the point though?