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You'll argue your points and i'll argue mine ER. Not saying you're wrong, in fact i hope you're right, but i disagree.

I'll ask you this though.. what role do you actually see Sheed playing in the future? In a midfield comprised of Priddis, Masten, Selwood, Hutchings and likely Waterman, where does he fit in next year? And who out of all of them can carry the ball? Is there even one?

Shuey, is literally the only midfielder we have with any pace or line breaking abilities whatsoever. We had the option to address this and we chose not to.

I'll use Yeo as an example. BRISBANE saw his talents, not us, and just look at how much he stands out in our vanilla midfield. It's because he's a different type of player to what we usually get. Big bodied 190cm, aggressive, line breaker. One of the few shining lights of this shit season. And the only reason we have him, is because he wanted to return to WA. That's it.
 
Dark Sharks said:
You'll argue your points and i'll argue mine ER. Not saying you're wrong, in fact i hope you're right, but i disagree.

I'll ask you this though.. what role do you actually see Sheed playing in the future? In a midfield comprised of Priddis, Masten, Selwood, Hutchings and likely Waterman, where does he fit in next year? And who out of all of them can carry the ball? Is there even one?

Shuey, is literally the only midfielder we have with any pace or line breaking abilities whatsoever. We had the option to address this and we chose not to.

I'll use Yeo as an example. BRISBANE saw his talents, not us, and just look at how much he stands out in our vanilla midfield. It's because he's a different type of player to what we usually get. Big bodied 190cm, aggressive, line breaker. One of the few shining lights of this shit season. And the only reason we have him, is because he wanted to return to WA. That's it.
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Disagree with what though? You make no finer points and I can hardly talk details with a blank wall of denial and rejection.

Who cares about next year? i suspect it'll be miserable. Good kids with a touch of pace are unlikely to change that quickly either. Contested ball is our issue, like with most clubs that fluctuate between good and bad performances. Class, pace and size in contested scenarios will fix this and get us converting more hard ball into clear and effective possessions.

Sheed will play as an inside midfielder, but his kicking gives him versatility enough to play half back. He's a good enough runner to play wing and if he's developed well he'll master the hard to achieve task as a viable forward when rotated through their. Players of similar and lesser skill and athleticism have done the same.

From those I think S.Selwood at his best showed he had good pace and burst speed, the ability to run at high intensity speeds for long periods. But that has diminished in the last two years, because for whatever reason he's physically lost a bit in terms of size and strength.

We did address it. Yeo is bloody quick, Maginness is a brilliant high intensity runner, Karps is a great burst player that hits contests and breaks them open and both Main and Powell are line breakers, Powell especially.

Suspect you're selling Yeo a bit short as well, he's not some above average in a nonathletic side. He's in the top echelon of players in terms of size and athleticism mix. Though i do agree he does present as a point of difference in our midfield as it stands. Given what the club has done with Yeo, Colledge and Tunbridge this is something that has been addressed in terms of pursing pathways for them and the club as tall, flexible midfielders. As for Brisbane seeing his talent, perhaps but they never played him on ball if they did.

I've already addressed Masten, Priddis, Hutchings. If they're playing (regularly) for us in three years time then we'll be stinking in a big way. I don't consider them in future planning, the club would be wise to do the same. You asked if Sheed has more upside than S.Selwood and Masten, and i think the answer is clearly yes.
 
Eastern Rangers said:
I'm not sure what you consider slow, because Sheed isn't slow. Certainly he gets to the ball drop quickly and is thus under the ball a lot, which makes him appear very flat at stoppages. How can you predict he'll get slower? because he'll add weight? hardly determinative in it's own right. If it's functional mass it could make him quicker for all we know.

Overhead marking is ok, isn't big enough through the core yet and isn't the broadest shouldered player going around.

Bolded part is rubbish, what Sheed lacks for explosive pace he makes up for in pace over the ground on account of his long stride length for his height. Sheed also tests strongly in the agility stakes, can twist, weave and work his way to give himself enough time to do what is needed. He's not on the elite bracket for agility, but is above average.



To be frank you're relying on simplifications as much as anyone else.

Fyfe isn't particularly explosive quick, i've never heard anyone describe him as so, he's mobile and agile for his height and uses it to all of it's advantage by remaining in motion as much as possible.

In terms of pace, playing style and size. Sheed and Waterman are nothing alike, we aren't getting the same player twice. Sheed is longer of limb and agile, not particularly quick over his first few meters but picks up the pace after that, plays laterally at stoppages on account of him reading the taps quickly and has distinct inside and outside games.

Waterman is shorter in his legs, has a wider frame through the legs, core and shoulders. He's better on the transition play and plays a more direct and shorter kicking game. Is more explosive of his first few steps and slows up more when covering ground on the outside. There is less distinction between his inside and outside games, ala Shuey.

Re: the bolded. Like Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis at Hawthorn, both slow inside midfielders? better to compare Sheed to low skill inside midfielders to drive home the point though?
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strong reply but he hasn't done anything at AFL level.
 

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Eastern Rangers said:
You asked if Sheed has more upside than S.Selwood and Masten, and i think the answer is clearly yes.
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Agree. Both of the latter have hit their ceiling IMO.
 
Eagle87 said:
So will Priddis apparently.

Not sure that adds much to the argument.
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Im pretty confident in Sheeds 200 being of a higher calibre than Pridds.
 
Matera92 said:
Im pretty confident in Sheeds 200 being of a higher calibre than Pridds.
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Inb4 how much longer can sheed be played for thread
 

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Eastern Rangers said:
You asked if Sheed has more upside than S.Selwood and Masten, and i think the answer is clearly yes.
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That's optimistic. In what sense? He is slower with worse skills and less utility. His only chance to be better than them is as an inside midfielder who wins a lot of the ball - but I don't think he'll ever be good enough to go 1 on 1 against the best in the comp - Fyfe, Josh Kennedy etc. I think his pre-draft comparison as the next gen Priddis is still holding likely.
 
Masto said:
That's optimistic. In what sense? He is slower with worse skills and less utility. His only chance to be better than them is as an inside midfielder who wins a lot of the ball - but I don't think he'll ever be good enough to go 1 on 1 against the best in the comp - Fyfe, Josh Kennedy etc. I think his pre-draft comparison as the next gen Priddis is still holding likely.
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Sheed does not have worse skills than Selwood.
 
Masto said:
That's optimistic. In what sense? He is slower with worse skills and less utility.
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Not slower than Masten (not sure about endurance, but Masten's not especially fast). Better skills and poise than Selwood from what i've seen.

In terms of remaining upside of the three, Sheed obviously has the most, because the other two's limitations are pretty clear. We all hope that Selwood might become something, but he really just lacks the class and ice cream flavours required to take the next step.
 
Matera92 said:
Priddis to end up being games record holder just to see Dark Sharks have an annurism.
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You're getting me confused with Smotie.

I'd be more worried about what state the team was in if Matt was allowed to get to 280 odd games.
 

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eagles rule said:
so you want 6 preseasons and a 100 games experience right now from Sheed haha
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Don't be stupid all your life. Read the conversations first. Nobody is criticizing what Sheed is dishing up right now.

We're predicting what he'll turn out to be, that's all.
 
Dark Sharks said:
Don't be stupid all your life. Read the conversations first. Nobody is criticizing what Sheed is dishing up right now.

We're predicting what he'll turn out to be, that's all.
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probably already mentioned but predraft Sheed was likened in some phantom drafts to Simon Black ,so not expected to have line breaking pace but a smooth mover with good vision ,decision making , to set up teamates by handball and kicking skills .At this early stage hes lacking confidence and still building endurance to commit totally to 4 quarters or even a half a game thats why he`s been sub a few times .The pace of the game is doing him at the moment but it will come and then you will see why he was highly rated .
 
Eastern Rangers said:
Disagree with what though? You make no finer points and I can hardly talk details with a blank wall of denial and rejection.

Who cares about next year? i suspect it'll be miserable. Good kids with a touch of pace are unlikely to change that quickly either. Contested ball is our issue, like with most clubs that fluctuate between good and bad performances. Class, pace and size in contested scenarios will fix this and get us converting more hard ball into clear and effective possessions.

Sheed will play as an inside midfielder, but his kicking gives him versatility enough to play half back. He's a good enough runner to play wing and if he's developed well he'll master the hard to achieve task as a viable forward when rotated through their. Players of similar and lesser skill and athleticism have done the same.

From those I think S.Selwood at his best showed he had good pace and burst speed, the ability to run at high intensity speeds for long periods. But that has diminished in the last two years, because for whatever reason he's physically lost a bit in terms of size and strength.

We did address it. Yeo is bloody quick, Maginness is a brilliant high intensity runner, Karps is a great burst player that hits contests and breaks them open and both Main and Powell are line breakers, Powell especially.

Suspect you're selling Yeo a bit short as well, he's not some above average in a nonathletic side. He's in the top echelon of players in terms of size and athleticism mix. Though i do agree he does present as a point of difference in our midfield as it stands. Given what the club has done with Yeo, Colledge and Tunbridge this is something that has been addressed in terms of pursing pathways for them and the club as tall, flexible midfielders. As for Brisbane seeing his talent, perhaps but they never played him on ball if they did.

I've already addressed Masten, Priddis, Hutchings. If they're playing (regularly) for us in three years time then we'll be stinking in a big way. I don't consider them in future planning, the club would be wise to do the same. You asked if Sheed has more upside than S.Selwood and Masten, and i think the answer is clearly yes.
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Brilliant analysis!
 
eagles rule said:
probably already mentioned but predraft Sheed was likened in some phantom drafts to Simon Black ,so not expected to have line breaking pace but a smooth mover with good vision ,decision making , to set up teamates by handball and kicking skills .At this early stage hes lacking confidence and still building endurance to commit totally to 4 quarters or even a half a game thats why he`s been sub a few times .The pace of the game is doing him at the moment but it will come and then you will see why he was highly rated .
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Simon black played 9 games in his first year averaging 12 disposals a game a year in which Brisbane finished last with 5 wins and a draw

Sheed is averaging 10 disposals per game from six games half of which he's been sub


Hopefully he can find some good form over the last few rounds
 

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