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Dom Tyson 2018

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Sylvia Saint said:
Dom is in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's an AFL standard inside mid, but good luck getting a guernsey ahead of Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca and Jones. You could make a case he's better than Harmes, but the latter is good overhead and can move forward. Harmes rarely gets caught holding the ball while Tyson often does. I'd also say Harmes is a better kick, albeit not a great one.

Dom can ONLY play inside mid. On the wing? Nope, not skilled enough. Up forward? Don't make me laugh.

He's a VERY handy depth player at present and I suspect the club would be keen to keep him (an injury list like this is rare). But I wouldn't hold a grudge if Dom wanted to go to a shit team and be a gun inside mid for them.

I've always wondered, was he actually a better player in 2014 or have others caught up to him? I certainly remember him kicking more goals, but I think he's more or less the same player.
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I think thats a reasonable call, I certainly don't see him as a long term VFL player. He was good in 2014 because he didnt have to do much defensively and he got zero attention. He was also at worst our 2nd best mid.
 
schmuttt said:
Nah :D




Just going purely off speculation and nothing concrete, but wouldn't be surprised if he seeks a trade at the end of the year. Can't see him getting into the side without injury, and whilst I'm happy to have him as depth he would be in the top 3 mids at a few clubs.
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Agree with this - which makes him useful as trade bait or, alternatively an offset in salary to bring in a free agent.

I love Dom and he should be running around at the top level - not just for his quality hair either - but our team with players that can either do what he does but better, or can do what he does but can also bring other things that he can’t do, might end up being a team he can’t get into. If he doesn’t get back for a significant number of games he might or possibly should seek a trade. And that mightn’t be the worst thing for us either.
 
Literally all it takes is one injury and he's in.

Think about some of the players missing from the Richmond & Dogs sides in the last two GFs - injury or non-selection.

I'd be staggered if he wanted to go through all the hard times and then leave if not an absolute lock 22 despite being on the cusp of good times.

Jeff Garlett isn't top 22 anymore - nobody saw that coming. Anything else could happen. I like Dom and I'm really happy to keep him.
 

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pjfairbairn said:
Literally all it takes is one injury and he's in.

Think about some of the players missing from the Richmond & Dogs sides in the last two GFs - injury or non-selection.

I'd be staggered if he wanted to go through all the hard times and then leave if not an absolute lock 22 despite being on the cusp of good times.

Jeff Garlett isn't top 22 anymore - nobody saw that coming. Anything else could happen. I like Dom and I'm really happy to keep him.
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Good point. Anyway I like him so I hope we hang onto him.
 
Vineyy said:
Not arguing with your entire post but Harmes has actually given away the most frees on our list this year and from memory a lot of them were holding the ball. He often tried to fend off and break tackles and gets caught or drops the ball.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-30/free-kick-facts-who-gets-em-who-gives-em-away
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Wasn't aware of the stats, but one of my eyebrows went ballistic at the "Harmes rarely gets caught holding the ball" part. In the last few weeks, maybe...
 
I reckon 15 of those 17 frees against are holding the balls and ill go with he was pinged 14 times in the first 4 rounds.

He hasn't tried to take on the tackler as much lately. How do I know? Cause i haven't yelled "you dickhead Harmes" at my TV for a few weeks now.

Since he he stopped rucking (perhaps i should have been yelling " You dickhead Goodwin" instead?) he has played very well.
 
Just not sure how hard he works on his game, I mean he's a very similar player to when we first got him, he hasn't gotten any bigger physically or developed more of a tank or worked on his rushed kicks.

Very talented clearance player when he's on (some of his clearances are as clean and decisive as any of our best clearance players Jones, Oliver etc) but has too many poor games. Also, seems to lack any versatility which Goody seems to love and is only effective when plonked at the feet of Gawn. Him being out of the side and getting the hunger/drive to perform can only be a good thing, Melbourne teams in the past have carried too many talented but flaky players.

We should graft his hair onto Jonesy's head though - imagine...
 
Back on track. Dom isn't finished but at a club with as many contested ball winners as we have he is. Would be mad to hang around here, could get a game for numerous sides if used to his strengths as in inside mid. Cause try as he might, he isn't good enough by foot to carve out a Lewis or Vince role as a distributor.
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Back on track. Dom isn't finished but at a club with as many contested ball winners as we have he is. Would be mad to hang around here, could get a game for numerous sides if used to his strengths as in inside mid. Cause try as he might, he isn't good enough by foot to carve out a Lewis or Vince role as a distributor.
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Yeah reckon if we got a pick in the 10-25 range from Carlton or Essendon he might really think about it.
 
Topkent said:
Yeah reckon if we got a pick in the 10-25 range from Carlton or Essendon he might really think about it.
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Pfffff geez louise. pick 10 mate? Really? Not a hope in hell i reckon. Id take 28-40 for him just to free up some cap space. Taylor will work his magic so its all good.
 

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If he wants to stay, he can stay for depth. If he wants to go, then a 2nd round pick will get it done. Not fussed either way with Dom. I can't see him getting any better, yet he's still young enough to have a decent career. Just not sure it will be with us for much longer. His skills unfortunately let him down. And when he comes back from injury, it takes him weeks to get going. Ultimately, he is an inside player, and we have a fair few ahead of him in the pecking order. My guess is we will be looking to move him on trying to get into this years draft..
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Pfffff geez louise. pick 10 mate? Really? Not a hope in hell i reckon. Id take 28-40 for him just to free up some cap space. Taylor will work his magic so its all good.
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I don't think he's worth that but there's no point saying pick 20. If we got pick 10 our second would be going the other way aswell. That would be the starting point mate.

Realistically we probably owe Essendon a player back there way for a second.

Actually nevermind I'd take 30 for him.
 
Topkent said:
I don't think he's worth that but there's no point saying pick 20. If we got pick 10 our second would be going the other way aswell. That would be the starting point mate.

Realistically we probably owe Essendon a player back there way for a second.
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Fair enough, i didn't realise you were upgrading. Still think we'd be doing good to get anything inside the second round for him even with a pick going back the other way.

Id give Tyson to Essendon in a straight swap for a third after stealing Hibberd and (gulp) Melksham from them.
 
I do think the club would keep him for depth if they could but it just makes no sense for him to stay. Viney is our only real midfield only guy in the best 22 and he is miles ahead of Tyson as a footballer, plus he is captain.

Wonder if the tigers would be interested in him, I’d like one of their small forwards.
 
schmuttt said:
I do think the club would keep him for depth if they could but it just makes no sense for him to stay. Viney is our only real midfield only guy in the best 22 and he is miles ahead of Tyson as a footballer, plus he is captain.

Wonder if the tigers would be interested in him, I’d like one of their small forwards.
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Would be awesome if we could wrangle a way to get one especially with them targeting Lynch. Only way the could take Tyson is if we pay some of his salary id think..
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Fair enough, i didn't realise you were upgrading. Still think we'd be doing good to get anything inside the second round for him even with a pick going back the other way.

Id give Tyson to Essendon in a straight swap for a third after stealing Hibberd and (gulp) Melksham from them.
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Yah I think we owe the bombers one at this point. You wouldn't even get Hibberd for both picks alone now.
 
Topkent said:
I don't think he's worth that but there's no point saying pick 20. If we got pick 10 our second would be going the other way aswell. That would be the starting point mate.

Realistically we probably owe Essendon a player back there way for a second.

Actually nevermind I'd take 30 for him.
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Owe Essendon ?? Piss off. They sold us Moorcroft. It'll take a lot more than Melksham and Hibberd to offset that act of bastardry
 

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Go the Biff said:
Owe Essendon ?? Piss off. They sold us Moorcroft. It'll take a lot more than Melksham and Hibberd to offset that act of bastardry
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Lol no they delisted him and we drafted him. That was all on us.
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Fair enough, i didn't realise you were upgrading. Still think we'd be doing good to get anything inside the second round for him even with a pick going back the other way.

Id give Tyson to Essendon in a straight swap for a third after stealing Hibberd and (gulp) Melksham from them.
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Tyson for a third rounder? Now I’ve heard it all
 
Anyway he’s cooked (for us) if he doesn’t start kicking more goals, because as others have said he’s not going to get the midfield time he needs. Unless he can reinvent himself as a tagger but he doesn’t really run well enough for that
 
Dom can still carve out a good career but I think he has a couple of major things to work on, that are all fixable if he’s prepared to do the work. He’s a natural inside mid but he isn’t powerful, quick or strong. He gets caught with the ball all the time due to lack of strength. He’s not going to get quicker or more powerful so he has to get much stronger. He needs to get in the gym and get serious. Jack Viney serious. The other aspect he’s got to work on is his two way running. For the first few seasons he was purely a one way runner. He’s getting better but he needs to turn this into a strength. If he can’t get better at these two things then he’s a slow, understrength inside mid who can’t play outside because he turns the ball over too much. I’m not sure there’s any sort of career for that player, either with us or at another club.
I think what has annoyed me a bit about Dom is that he seems to have been ahead of himself his whole career, maybe thinking he was a better player than what his form indicated. I say that based on the way he always used to hold onto the ball instead of moving it quickly. And that shot of him in the rooms after the Blues spoke volumes I thought. Plus I think he may have been one of the main anti-camp agitators.
Dom needs to recognize his career is on the line, even though he was a number two draft pick five (?) years ago. It’s time to work hard and be humble.
 
Gysberts2Bate said:
Tyson for a third rounder? Now I’ve heard it all
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If i was a club looking to pick him up, i sure wouldnt be coughing up a second (unless i finished the previous year top 4). Hasn't produced enough in the past three years. And like TT has said above, its not like he looks like improving either.. Is worth a very late 2nd to mid 3rd.
 

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