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[edgie]

Anyway it turned out the Fusion party isn't a pro-nuclear movement, so I almost wasted a vote! Lucky they seem decent though with other stuff and aren't entirely 100% anti nuclear.

 

[Papa G]

The fact that Australia doesn't have nuclear energy is completely bonkers. The soft utensil environmentalists seem to be dead against it despite it achieving what they want. Complete duckheads. The usual suspects on here fit this category.

 

[TeeKray]

I voted Liberal but more out of habit than anything. I couldn't properly justify that vote to you based on their policies or recent track record.

The strength of a Liberal government is always the economy. If you can sell that message you can sell a Liberal government. The problem is, this Liberal government weren't good economic managers. And the impacts of their poor economic management are now being felt across the board.

So at that point the swing voter says, 'if you're not good at running the economy, aren't you just Labor without a heart?'. And that's where suddenly things like climate change become a big differentiator.

Get back to strong fiscal policy and small government and stop engaging in all of this left v right cultural bullshit that most normal people don't care about.

 

[Mikey13G]

m8 they just want to have a healthy debate about whether minorities should be treated as humans or not. Why do you rabid lefties always want to stifle debate?

Mate, you still haven't even answered the question.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Mate, you still haven't even answered the question.

I deliberately haven't answered the question because I'm not going to let you defend a woman who accused transgender people of being mentally ill mutilated sex pests by turning it into a debate about women's sport.

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

Our two-party preferred system means that the primary vote doesn't mean much. Anyone wanting to 'send a message' to their preferred party can do so by voting for one of the alt parties knowing where their preferences will flow. If Greens didn't send prefs to ALP, then their vote would drop significantly. Similar for OneNation etc.

The Liberal and National parties are a different kettle of fish because they are part of a functioning coalition that has been in play for most voters entire adult lives. It's not a case of votes being sent on via preferencing, they're tallied together under the rules of the coalition.

One political pundit noted that the 2 party preferred system rewards the least worst option.
If we did not have it the current result would be a major problem.

 

[Power Raid]

China isn't dumb. They know the threat posed by climate change. They're actively trying to bring emissions down, but their growth is so rapid that demand is still outstripping anything else, as you'd expect from somewhere with 1.5 billion people.

The rest of the world needs to hope they get it right.

if the EU rolled out solar panels across the entire continent and then put wind turbines over the top of those (ignoring the shade); they would not have enough energy for their hydrogen needs.

Given that is for the EU, then the challenge of India, China and Africa (most don't appreciate Africa's population is India plus China plus the rest of Asia by the end of the century) is both challenging but at the same time very simple.

The challenge is generating so much power but it's simple as there is only one solution that can meet this demand in this circumstance.

 

[Grave Danger]

Ah Popo, at least you’re taking it better than some.

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Old mate Stupid on 5aark wasn't taking it too well on Saturday night either - he noticed that one of the callers or smsers was in America and he told him he'd be better off staying there, and then at the end of the broadcast he said he's gonna move to Ukraine. Do it Rowie, do it!

 

[Mikey13G]

'The leftist tactic to shut down debate'?

That's a laugh. It was the Prime Minister's Office who got Deves to delete all her divisive social media comments before Morrison nominated Deves for the seat of Warringah - someone who wasn't even a member of the Liberal Party until a couple of months before her pre-selection.

Luckily it was pretty easy for the media, including that 'leftist' media organisation NewsCorp to revive those comments from the web. But apparently quoting a candidate for public office's own words is somehow 'cancel culture'.


And it was Morrison's office who tried to shield Deves from any media scrutiny of her views. She flat out refused to do any interviews. And even invented a fraudulent claim of 'death threats' to try and be played as the victim. It was the Morrison's office that stopped her from speaking to the press - even at Liberal Party campaign launches….

This is Deves not being provided with a platform to express her views:



But sure- your concern over a person selected for a seat in a faraway northern beaches seat in metropolitan Sydney is all about the critical issue of transgender kids wanting to cause havoc in the AFLW. What absolute BS.

What it DID do and is continuing to do, as Schulzenfest pointed out, is make more hateful and ignorant noise against an already marginalised community that has been shown to have significantly higher rates of self harm, depression, anxiety and suicide than the normal averages.

Treating minority groups and complex medical and social social issues as a political football as part of a divisive election campaign is a despicable action.

We must not allow the left to get away with bullying candidates who hold conservative views for the express purpose of driving them out of politics. Stegall demanding Deve's be disendorsed is what I was referring to by cancel culture!

People are free to criticize Deve's for her offensive remarks about transgender people, but the issue was about women's sport. This was the issue that Deve's raised and it got completely glossed over by the left.

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/why-the-transgender-debate-shouldnt-be-derailed-by-katherine-deves-insensitive-remarks/news-story/d9f8e2175b0d6c7763deb6070f344e9a

The activist left who believe that sex and gender are hypothetical constructs have gone to great lengths to cancel women by referring to them as birthing parents, chest-feeders and people who menstruate. It's gotten to the stage where just calling somebody a "mother" or using the wrong pronoun can be taken as an offence because it has gone too far. In Tasmania they have even made gender optional on birth certificates.

Tasmania becomes first state to make gender optional on birth certificate

Tasmania's Lower House passes the Marriage Amendments Bill after Liberal speaker Sue Hickey votes with the Opposition parties to allow debate, with transgender campaigner Martine Delaney declaring the changes will save lives.

www.abc.net.au

This is the reality and politicians, to the detriment of women, are running away from this because of the emotion driven arguments of lobbyists and the Twittersphere. The women in sport thing is serious, but it is a battering ram to support what has already been significantly chipped away at.

 

[Schulzenfest]

We must not allow the left to get away with bullying candidates who hold conservative views for the express purpose of driving them out of politics.

Well now that depends on what sort of 'conservative views' we're talking about here, doesn't it? I don't think I've ever seen anybody call for a political opponent to be disendorsed because they oppose higher taxes or government regulation on business.

Just so you know, Matt Kean (the Treasurer of the NSW Liberal Party) also thought that Katherine Deves' comments were sufficiently serious that she should be disendorsed. It wasn't just the 'rabid lefties'.

 

[raman]

Just so you know, Matt Kean (the Treasurer of the NSW Liberal Party) also thought that Katherine Deves' comments were sufficiently serious that she should be disendorsed. It wasn't just the 'rabid lefties'.

I think you'll find it's "Deve's"

 

[Papa G]

Lol. Gender optional on Birth Certificates. We have reached peak ridiculousness.

 

[edgie]

Lol. Gender optional on Birth Certificates. We have reached peak ridiculousness.

It's indefensible.

 

[raman]

Lol. Gender optional on Birth Certificates. We have reached peak ridiculousness.

It’s definitely worth getting upset about.

 

[Mikey13G]

Well now that depends on what sort of 'conservative views' we're talking about here, doesn't it? I don't think I've ever seen anybody call for a political opponent to be disendorsed because they oppose higher taxes or government regulation on business.

Just so you know, Matt Kean (the Treasurer of the NSW Liberal Party) also thought that Katherine Deves' comments were sufficiently serious that she should be disendorsed. It wasn't just the 'rabid lefties'

Nicolle Flint is a former Liberal MP for Boothby. She was driven away from politics by the bullying of the left.

'Festering toxic sewer': Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint uses her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour. Warning: This story contains language which may offend some readers.

www.abc.net.au

Ms Flint said she believed the "complete lack of respect for other people" stemmed from the "left's great project" to achieve the "disruption of Western civilisation" by replacing "our institutions, our traditions, our conventions" with "causes that have no moral compass".

"When you replace religion and the morals and the ethics it has taught us with the religion of climate change, for example, when the battle of ideas is replaced with cancel culture and the lynch mob, when you tell women that we have less rights than men who choose to change their sex to women, when women are abused for asserting our right to be women, when the left celebrate being rude and disrespectful, claiming freedom of expression — when this becomes the standard, contempt creeps in, hate flourishes and society breaks down."

 

[Papa G]

It’s definitely worth getting upset about.

Not particularly upset Raman but we are heading down a rather idiotic path. You weren't born dickless. The fact you have become dickless later in life shouldn't be predetirmed on your Birth Certificate. The facts are you were born with a dick.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Albanese has asked for work to begin on the Federal ICAC already

 

[raman]

Not particularly upset Raman but we are heading down a rather idiotic path. You weren't born dickless. The fact you have become dickless later in life shouldn't be predetirmed on your Birth Certificate. The facts are you were born with a dick.

Hey, I would never presume to make the same assumption about you!

Anyway, you are upset. That’s why you’re invoking the thin end of the wedge.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Nicolle Flint is a former Liberal MP for Boothby. She was driven away from politics by the bullying of the left.

'Festering toxic sewer': Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint uses her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour. Warning: This story contains language which may offend some readers.

www.abc.net.au

Ms Flint said she believed the "complete lack of respect for other people" stemmed from the "left's great project" to achieve the "disruption of Western civilisation" by replacing "our institutions, our traditions, our conventions" with "causes that have no moral compass".

"When you replace religion and the morals and the ethics it has taught us with the religion of climate change, for example, when the battle of ideas is replaced with cancel culture and the lynch mob, when you tell women that we have less rights than men who choose to change their sex to women, when women are abused for asserting our right to be women, when the left celebrate being rude and disrespectful, claiming freedom of expression — when this becomes the standard, contempt creeps in, hate flourishes and society breaks down."

I have to disagree with her about Religion having a moral compass.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Our two-party preferred system means that the primary vote doesn't mean much. Anyone wanting to 'send a message' to their preferred party can do so by voting for one of the alt parties knowing where their preferences will flow. If Greens didn't send prefs to ALP, then their vote would drop significantly. Similar for OneNation etc.

That's not true. First you get paid $$ by the system/electoral commission based on how your 1st preference votes under Oz's public funding model. So 1st preference votes matter to parties survival.

Parties and candidates that receive more than four per cent of the primary vote are entitled to public election funding of an indexed amount multiplied by the number of votes they receive. The per-eligible vote public funding amount for the 2019 federal election is $2.756.

Second, historically, even in 2019, about 1/3rd of seats are won with 50.01+% of the primary vote, 1/3 with the leading candidate with 42% to 49.9%, and about another 1/3rd need a lot of 2nd preferences redistributed to them to win the seat, especially independents.

I think 48 of the 151 seats at the last election, the winner got 50.01+% primary vote when the count was declared, before any 2nd party preferences. These seats are the ones that need a 20%+ swing to lose.

And 2nd preferences aren't automatic. There have been state and federal elections where overall or in some seats green preferences have basically been split between Liberal and Labor, the odd seat heavily to Liberal, and One Nation strongly favoured Labor. You can't automatically assume 100% of 2nd preferences go to one or the other major parties. Antony Green always talks about his formula for splitting preferences based on the previous election splits for that seat and its never 100%.

The Liberal and National parties are a different kettle of fish because they are part of a functioning coalition that has been in play for most voters entire adult lives. It's not a case of votes being sent on via preferencing, they're tallied together under the rules of the coalition.

Not sure what you mean, but every federal election there have been what they call 3 cornered contests, so you have a Labor, Liberal and National candidate on the ballot paper in a few seats. Damian Drum's old seat of Nicholls in Victoria was the case this election and I reckon there was another seat in northern NSW.

Historically the preference flows in this situation have been strong between Liberal and National, but its not 100%. I have recollections many moons ago, that in one seat there was only about a 55% 2nd preference flow between the Liberal and Nationals, because there was a bit of bad blood between the two candidates, and the candidate that received the 2nd preferences only just won the seat from Labor.

 

[raman]

Nicolle Flint is a former Liberal MP for Boothby. She was driven away from politics by the bullying of the left.

'Festering toxic sewer': Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint uses her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour. Warning: This story contains language which may offend some readers.

www.abc.net.au

Ms Flint said she believed the "complete lack of respect for other people" stemmed from the "left's great project" to achieve the "disruption of Western civilisation" by replacing "our institutions, our traditions, our conventions" with "causes that have no moral compass".

"When you replace religion and the morals and the ethics it has taught us with the religion of climate change, for example, when the battle of ideas is replaced with cancel culture and the lynch mob, when you tell women that we have less rights than men who choose to change their sex to women, when women are abused for asserting our right to be women, when the left celebrate being rude and disrespectful, claiming freedom of expression — when this becomes the standard, contempt creeps in, hate flourishes and society breaks down."

Mourns a person being “bullied” out of public office then quotes exact reason why she’s unsuitable for public office. Brilliant.

 

[raman]

I have to disagree with her about Religion having a moral compass.

It has a moral compass, it’s just jammed up and only points the right way one in every 360 times.

 

[backtozero]

The clique is in fine form today. Good to see they're now attracting senior members. Inclusivity is important.

 

[raman]

The clique is in fine form today. Good to see they're now attracting senior members. Inclusivity is important.

Point to the doll and show me where the clique hurt you.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Nicolle Flint is a former Liberal MP for Boothby. She was driven away from politics by the bullying of the left.

'Festering toxic sewer': Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint uses her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour. Warning: This story contains language which may offend some readers.

www.abc.net.au

Ms Flint said she believed the "complete lack of respect for other people" stemmed from the "left's great project" to achieve the "disruption of Western civilisation" by replacing "our institutions, our traditions, our conventions" with "causes that have no moral compass".

"When you replace religion and the morals and the ethics it has taught us with the religion of climate change, for example, when the battle of ideas is replaced with cancel culture and the lynch mob, when you tell women that we have less rights than men who choose to change their sex to women, when women are abused for asserting our right to be women, when the left celebrate being rude and disrespectful, claiming freedom of expression — when this becomes the standard, contempt creeps in, hate flourishes and society breaks down."

Okay, and in your mind misogynistic abuse is somehow a problem primarily on the left side of politics?

Nicolle Flint is no loss to politics, but of course she shouldn't have been subjected to misogynistic abuse. But how do you think you would go comparing that abuse to the abuse suffered by, say, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez? Or Julia Gillard, who was criticised for being unmarried and childless, was called 'barren' by a Liberal Senator, and against whom we saw the leader of the Liberal Party and future Prime Minister stand proudly beside a 'Ditch the Witch' sign? And remind me, from which party was the Senator who recently called a rape survivor a 'lying cow'?

If you want to make an argument that the rabid lefties are the ones destroying civility in politics, the prevalence of misogynistic abuse is about the worst possible place you could have picked to start. We're not just talking about Internet trolls when it comes to misogynistic bullying and harassment from the right side of politics, we're talking about actual elected sitting Senators and MP's.