News Dons, Tigers armed for raid

[Powerade 08]

Boak (overrated a tad), Dangerfield & Sidebottom are apparently unsigned but we have been burnt too many times in the recent past to take this option again. Is Boak any better than Nathan Brown? Dangerfield or Sidebottom vs McMahon?

lol, are you serious with this?

 

[roosaints]

Can't see this as the way out for the Tigers.

The only players who would be interested would be those motivated by money. But if they're motivated by money, there will be more on offer with the Gold Coast.

 

[santa claws]

Why is there anything wrong with recruiting players from other clubs?

Sure, I'm with you that we should NOT be trading away early picks - particularly in the current compromised draft environment - but if we have cash to burn and can entice a high quality player from another club to fill a gap in our structure and/or provide tutelage to our younger players, I'm all for it. Just as long as it doesn't prevent us from picking up good young players.

here here well said we need to explore all channels available to us to build the list. the only proviso should be we keep our early picks and we take an adequate number of kids.in the past when tradeing we have failed to do this.

 

[Morro]

Can't see this as the way out for the Tigers.

The only players who would be interested would be those motivated by money. But if they're motivated by money, there will be more on offer with the Gold Coast.

Motivated by money yes, but also wanting to stay or come to Melbourne would be a much larger factor.

 

[TheProwler]

lol, are you serious with this?

Point is we took a chance with Brown & McMahon when we should have recuited youth and not taken short cuts. Boak and the other two may well become AFL stars but so might the kids we get with our first two or three draft picks. Thats the cost to lure one of these blokes. I don't think we are at a point where we can take too many more risks.

We are doing the hard yards now like the Saints, Blues, Hawks etc did and it's paying off for them now and will for some years yet.

Salary aside what do you think they will cost us? Are you prepared to give up pick four for one of these players?

 

[TheProwler]

here here well said we need to explore all channels available to us to build the list. the only proviso should be we keep our early picks and we take an adequate number of kids.in the past when tradeing we have failed to do this.

Do you really think we can get someone of any worth for anything less than a top 20 pick? Add to this a player too and you really do start to see what the cost of the deal is.

 

[_RT_]

Don't go reading too much into what the papers report, we'll put the feelers out for everyone that is coming out of contract and see who is interested and who isn't. The more people we target the more likely it is we'll land someone. I reckon Veszpremi is our most likely signing. The reason being his trade value won't be as high as the others. Despite what Swans supporters say a second round pick would probably be all that costs us to land him. Would rather go with that sort of trade and take a chance that he can deliver the talent that saw him rated so highly when he got drafted. Adding him plus another 5-8 kids, including pick 4, in the draft would be a pretty good follow up to last years trading/drafting.

 

[cormick]

I'll bet we go after someone like Ivan Maric or Sam Jacobs. Young, strong-bodied ruckmen showing varying levels of promise. I can't see Hardwick going into next season with our second most experienced ruckman being Ty Vickery.

 

[Bazzar]

After hearing Dimma in his 2nd last presser, we will be looking for one or two ready made fast out-side mids.

 

[Mr Magic]

We don't need two ready made anything .

We are going hardcore and sticking to the youth and development because the Tigers have the balls to not follow the whimpy short term path so certain people can look at themselves in front of a mirror.

By the way, these Vezpremi guy at Sydney. The big question mark is why hasn't he played. We don't want to pick up damaged goods in terms of potential footy wise. If you ant going to grab the game by the scruff of the neck don't come to Tigerland I say!!!

How old is B Slater? Are we still projecting to snag him from Rugby League in another 4-5 years when he wants a change of scenery Ha Ha!

Put the word out - Forget GC and GWS - all hype like the pies. The Tigers is where it is really at RRROOOAAAARRRR!!!!

 

[Powerade 08]

Point is we took a chance with Brown & McMahon when we should have recuited youth and not taken short cuts. Boak and the other two may well become AFL stars but so might the kids we get with our first two or three draft picks. Thats the cost to lure one of these blokes. I don't think we are at a point where we can take too many more risks.

This makes absolutely no sense, Boak, Danger and Sidebottom are talented and young, McMahon was neither. If you had the first 3 picks in the draft and these 3 wanted to come to your club, it's a no brainer. The only risk involved is that Dangerfield goes in so hard that he injures himself every game, but apart from that, far less risky than taking 3 unproven 18 year olds.

But of course, this will never happen. Boak and Danger look like staying, and why would Sidebottom leave if he's got a shot at a premiership? Vespremi would be a good pick up and a lot cheaper too.

 

[JimmyRecard]

nfi why people think brown was a bad pick up. he was amazing before he broke his leg and the picks we gave up ended up to being not much at all (i think it was a weak draft).

Would love a Ruckman either Trengove or Sam Jacobs, and vezpremi could develop into a nice forward flanker..

keep pick 4 other than we should look for agressive and smart trading decisions.

 

[Bazzar]

We don't need two ready made anything .

We are going hardcore and sticking to the youth and development because the Tigers have the balls to not follow the whimpy short term path so certain people can look at themselves in front of a mirror.

Have you actually followed our development plan that has been freely available since pre-season, and more importantly since the release of the 3-0-75 plan. Do you know or have heard of Blair Hartley

 

[TigerTime88]

Vezpremi could be a masterstroke as he was rated very highly pre draft and obviously why he went at 11.

 

[TigerTime88]

FYI what Burgan said pre draft...apparently we were strongly linked to him then:

Northern Knights, VIC, Small defender/forward, September 1 1989, 181.2cm, 84.8kg

If Cyril Rioli is still available expect the Power to swoop, otherwise Veszpremi and local youngster Levi Greenwood loom as the most likely. Both are highly regarded by the Power and it could come down to those two players, although a "surprise" has been mooted at this pick. Watch this space. Melbourne and Richmond have also been strongly linked with Veszpremi. One recruiter believes Veszpremi is the most explosive player in the draft and another thinks he is the perfect MCG player.

Bio: A strong, versatile player who influences the game with his exceptional ball use. Veszpremi was a standout for the Knights in their victory in the first qualifying final against Gippsland, booting eight goals. He is a graduate of the 2006/07 AIS-AFL Academy program and toured South Africa in April. From St Mary's FC.

 

[TerryTait]

Was just thinking about something, what about a player like Vince? He is turning 25 this year so in the perfect age bracket for us but appears to be on the outer at Adelaide apparently not caring about team rules ect.
I think a player like that might walk happily for a change of environment and a second chance.
Just wondering if anyone could fill me in on his contract situation.

 

[Crumden]

nfi why people think brown was a bad pick up.

I guess some people would have preferred to keep Ben Holland and draft Bradley or Tenace instead of getting Brown.

But I understand the point they are making about us giving up top picks too frequently in the past. There are exceptions to every rule and if you could get a marquee player you might do it, but it should be a rarity. We should look at all avenues for getting players including trade, but should keep our top picks for the draft unless an exceptional opportunity comes up. As Calcium Man said there is a lot of marketing potential in top 10draftees.

 

[LuKe2428]

My ideal Offseason atm would me,
Our PP + Newman For Top 10 pick (for a team looking to make a run for the flag in the near future)

Our PP + Tuck For Top 15 pick ( Tuck is playing some good footy atm but is getting to old for our future and could get some value with the form he is in.)

2nd Rounder For Vespremi (Really rate this kid and think he has alot of potential.) Could possably get an upgrande on a pick if we give a 2nd rounder for him aswell maybe our 4th for there 3rd?

Would also like to get Myles Sewell.. Would use our 3rd rounder on him, Still young and best Barlow in the best player in the VFL last year IIRC.

Through big dollers at Boak although i dont think we could get him.
I also think i am the only one around hear that doesnt rate Dangerfield haha.

Tigers to make finals in 2012

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Only Cotch, Martin, Lids & Riewoldt and the best of the kids we bought in this year (at this stage Nason,Astbury,Griffiths...we need to persist with Taylor...too much potential...) should be off limits on the the trade table. The rest are all expendable, though we'd probably need to hang on to at least one ruck (obviously we'd need to get another two..at least one ready made)....and at this stage you would have to say Graham is the most valuable...though I still like Vickery as a poor man's Kruezer/rich man's Patto ruck/fwd utility type at least...if he can be that at even just a serviceable level....he will be worth his weight in silver if not quite gold.

 

[coke_zero]

My ideal Offseason atm would me,
Our PP + Newman For Top 10 pick (for a team looking to make a run for the flag in the near future)

Our PP + Tuck For Top 15 pick ( Tuck is playing some good footy atm but is getting to old for our future and could get some value with the form he is in.)

2nd Rounder For Vespremi (Really rate this kid and think he has alot of potential.) Could possably get an upgrande on a pick if we give a 2nd rounder for him aswell maybe our 4th for there 3rd?

Would also like to get Myles Sewell.. Would use our 3rd rounder on him, Still young and best Barlow in the best player in the VFL last year IIRC.

Through big dollers at Boak although i dont think we could get him.
I also think i am the only one around hear that doesnt rate Dangerfield haha.

Tigers to make finals in 2012

We only have 1 PP. Why would we trade our captain who bleeds for the club?

 

[.Shotties.]

Despite what Swans supporters say a second round pick would probably be all that costs us to land him.

Under contract in an effected draft year. Might need a player.

 

[NQTIGER]

My ideal Offseason atm would me,
Our PP + Newman For Top 10 pick (for a team looking to make a run for the flag in the near future)

Our PP + Tuck For Top 15 pick ( Tuck is playing some good footy atm but is getting to old for our future and could get some value with the form he is in.)

2nd Rounder For Vespremi (Really rate this kid and think he has alot of potential.) Could possably get an upgrande on a pick if we give a 2nd rounder for him aswell maybe our 4th for there 3rd?

Would also like to get Myles Sewell.. Would use our 3rd rounder on him, Still young and best Barlow in the best player in the VFL last year IIRC.

Through big dollers at Boak although i dont think we could get him.
I also think i am the only one around hear that doesnt rate Dangerfield haha.

Tigers to make finals in 2012

Thats the way trade players who are capable of playing for untried 18 year olds...........i think the object of the excersise is to pach players

 

[TigerTime88]

Thats the way trade players who are capable of playing for untried 18 year olds...........i think the object of the excersise is to pach players

I don't think you can trade Newman.

Even though I like them I think Moore could go. McGuane I have suggested in the past to go but I don't think you could get rid of his competitiveness and attack.

Moore + pick 26 for a pick between 15-20 might be a chance but it might be laughed at. First round picks are rated so highly these days.

Vezpremi is contracted so no doubt we will have to pay over the odds. According the the 07 Phantom draft we rated him very highly then and Craig Cameron did as well but was at Melbourne and took Grimes after him.

I think we can afford to get rid of one of Moore, McGuane or Thursfield and Moore and McGuane have the most value on the open market. TBH if Post and Gourdis shown enough down back for the rest of the year we could trade both Thursfield and Moore and keep McGuane leaving Gourdis, Post, McGuane. We would then also pick some developing FB/CHB late in the draft.

I can't see us upgrading our pick at 26 and tuck for a pick between 15-20...Tucky is playing well but he will be 29 next year.

However I think it would be good if we struck a deal with say Port who might finish 10th and get pick 16 then we could look at upgrading pick 26.

Go two outside mids with the first two picks and then address other needs.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Myles Sewel is a good player but we don't need him unless we are looking for a tagger. We have plenty of inside mids and Sewel is better than none of them.

Vespremi - would be tempted but as he is not out of contract we wont get him for a decent price. Probably not worth it.

Vince - if he is 25 he is too old for us and he would cost us a first rounder. In 3 years time he will be in his prime - not sure we will be challenging for a flag then.

This talk of trading is pissing me off to be honest. We should be putting the feelers out there to see if any talented kids want to come accross and we should target talented kids coming out of contract but our main priority should be going through the draft.

As for ruckman I think it's premature to trade for one from another club with a second rounder at this stage. Gus is playing well. Tyrone will no doubt be bigger and fitter next year and Browne will also be more developed. Carlton shelled out decent picks for Warnock and he can't even get a game because a rookie pick improved. Not to mention the fact that they have Hampson which cost them a low first round/high second round pick wallowing in the twos. Again we should go through the draft and if Hardwick wants depth then look at a mature age rookie pick.

We really should be trying to unearth as many very good players from the draft as we possibly can while we are down and not fritter away picks for an immediate impact. This is one reason why I re-invested in my membership this year - because I thought we were developing kids for a serious assault on the flag. Not merely developing a side that could be 'competitive' (which is just another word for loser).

 

[TigerTime88]

I agree.

Trade down for better picks and use them.

As I said if we are brining players in they should be highly rated youngsters such as Trengove and Vezpremi. Trengove is unlikely as Port will want alot, however Vezpremi still has a heap of talent that really has not been unearthed due to the injury and now a lack of motivation up there apparently.

Would happily risk our PP on Vezpremi or Kelvin Moore and a pick.

If you say you pick up in this years trade/draft period:

4. Harley Bennell/Gaff/Green/Parker
26. Traded for Vezpremi
27. Best available but leaning towards mid

THen 1 young ruckman and 1 mature age rookie ruckman I would be stoked with the trade/ draft period. Imagine injecting talent like Bennell and Vezpremi to add to Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Riewoldt, Griffiths, Taylor, Foley, Vickery.....really starting to stack up on the quality kids and considering we have some great guys down there for development it will transfer into sucess.

Anyone seeing Mitch Thorp dominating at VFL level...I would throw him a lifeline late purley as a back up but he could probably end up being a gun and playing CHB lol. Kid is not short on talent but the year out in the VFL might be what he needs.

IMO we should delist/trade the following guys and turn them into late picks for new kids:

King, White, Hislop, Thompson (Still would liek to give him 5 games from rnd 15-20 to see if he does have it), Simmonds (retire), McMahon, Polo (trade), Moore (purely because he has value and we have enough 3rd talls), Gilligan (rookie list delisting),

That would give us 8 draft picks unless we trade and one of them should be used to upgrade Gourdis to the senior list.

2 picks in the top 20 if you can upgrade PP pick and package Moore, Pat Vezpremi and then draft the best young kids with our later picks. I would definitley give Myles Sewell a run. If one of our guys goes back and dominates VFL we lick our lips yet if this guy does it for a few years he shouldn't get a gig???