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How touching.Why dont you apply for the job as the babys nanny then you can be a little closer to Darren or is an autograph and a smile enough ?As far as sarcasm cheapening anything i say.I march to the beat of one drum and thats my own.Ive played with you for long enough with this and am losing interest to be honest.Keep having your opinion though.i admire that.But try not to be so hypocritical when posting as mj23 has pointed out in THE SHOPPING LIST THREAD. If only Darren knew what you were saying about him.Swap him for Brad Miller.Shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(
i salso trongly believe brad miller will be a very important part of any melbourne resurgence this season, he will benefit from a new coach, as he would have done had he come to sydney
 

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But, in all fairness, doyle's really injury prone, so talking reasonably we'd have been left with everitt and currie for the better part of the year.
The ruck supplies the ball to the midfield, so, the disadvantage our ruck experiences with jolly (as mj23 makes out) will be multiplied by 12354755686 if we operate with just everitt and currie.

his baby: aww, is she cutee?
I was more thinking of Getting Wood with a 3 way trade with Collingwood. Wood will be a 10 year ruckman. Jolly to Pies, Pies first pick to Brisbane, Wood to Swans I never once said to go in with Everitt and Currie the only person that metioned that was RANCIDPANTS so get your facts right buddy!
 
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I was more thinking of Getting Wood with a 3 way trade with Collingwood. Wood will be a 10 year ruckman. Jolly to Pies, Pies first pick to Brisbane, Wood to Swans I never once said to go in with Everitt and Currie the only person that metioned that was RANCIDPANTS so get your facts right buddy!
"buddy"....sighhhh
you started all this with your condemnation of jolly's new contract and "rumoured" pay
once again you're drifting into hypotheticals by saying IF we did this, IF they did that... we BF posters are not doing the trading
the swans didn't trade jolly, so my hope of getting miller was also hypothetical, but at least i had a reason
you suggested we chase an unproven 21yo ruckman, you still haven't said why that would've been such a masterstroke
and it did not happen, so all i'm saying is based on the core of your whingeing throughout this thread, which is your resentment of jolly for losing adam schneider, with NO jolly we'd have been left with everitt and currie
that's just the bare facts of it, "buddy", and all i've done from the start is defend the decision to re-sign jolly UNDER THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES THE CLUB WAS THROUGH TRADE WEEK
 

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"buddy"....sighhhh
you started all this with your condemnation of jolly's new contract and "rumoured" pay
once again you're drifting into hypotheticals by saying IF we did this, IF they did that... we BF posters are not doing the trading
the swans didn't trade jolly, so my hope of getting miller was also hypothetical, but at least i had a reason
you suggested we chase an unproven 21yo ruckman, you still haven't said why that would've been such a masterstroke
and it did not happen, so all i'm saying is based on the core of your whingeing throughout this thread, which is your resentment of jolly for losing adam schneider, with NO jolly we'd have been left with everitt and currie
that's just the bare facts of it, "buddy", and all i've done from the start is defend the decision to re-sign jolly UNDER THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES THE CLUB WAS THROUGH TRADE WEEK
Cameron Wood will be a very good ruckman better the Jolly will ever be. I know it's just rumoured price but are you going to be happy when Jollys 31 still getting big dollars!
 
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Cameron Wood will be a very good ruckman better the Jolly will ever be. I know it's just rumoured price but are you going to be happy when Jollys 31 still getting big dollars!
we've moved from hypotheticals to crystal ball predictions....i give up, you win, you can go back to runescape now
 

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i give up, you win, you can go back to runescape now
lol, runescape
even my 12 year old brother is over that :p

why shouldn't jolly ask for a 4 year contract?

*he's served us well over the past 2 years
*when firing he can be damaging, if not, he's still reliable
*the combination of jolly/ball won us our 2005 premiership, did we win one in 2004?
*jolly almost single handedly got us to our second successive grand final
*recruiting a new player, you'd have to give them time and space to get comfortable within the team


As much as anyone may want it to differ, footy is a business. Without an experienced and proven ruck in Jolly, we'd be farther away from the premiership we want than we are now.
Needing to emphasise my earlier point, we now more than ever need to get both Currie and Orreal game time and space to develop. Everitt, in my opinion, will only play 1-2 seasons more.
 

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lol, runescape
even my 12 year old brother is over that :p

why shouldn't jolly ask for a 4 year contract?

*he's served us well over the past 2 years
*when firing he can be damaging, if not, he's still reliable
*the combination of jolly/ball won us our 2005 premiership, did we win one in 2004?
*jolly almost single handedly got us to our second successive grand final
*recruiting a new player, you'd have to give them time and space to get comfortable within the team


As much as anyone may want it to differ, footy is a business. Without an experienced and proven ruck in Jolly, we'd be farther away from the premiership we want than we are now.
Needing to emphasise my earlier point, we now more than ever need to get both Currie and Orreal game time and space to develop. Everitt, in my opinion, will only play 1-2 seasons more.
yes, this kid orreal is a big punt but why not, he can't be costing us much, and all reports suggest currie IS worth fast-tracking
i spose there's some hope for doyle, seeing as he wasn't cut, and i would love to see him stand up to a preseason
but the biggest worry would be spida, i thought he was really showing his age the last coupla games of 07
maybe he just needs the break, and he should have at least one season left in him but we can't hope for much more
 

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lol, runescape
even my 12 year old brother is over that :p

why shouldn't jolly ask for a 4 year contract?

*he's served us well over the past 2 years
*when firing he can be damaging, if not, he's still reliable
*the combination of jolly/ball won us our 2005 premiership, did we win one in 2004?
*jolly almost single handedly got us to our second successive grand final
*recruiting a new player, you'd have to give them time and space to get comfortable within the team


As much as anyone may want it to differ, footy is a business. Without an experienced and proven ruck in Jolly, we'd be farther away from the premiership we want than we are now.
Needing to emphasise my earlier point, we now more than ever need to get both Currie and Orreal game time and space to develop. Everitt, in my opinion, will only play 1-2 seasons more.
We should have started the rebuild this year other wise we are going to end up like Carlton 5-6 years on the bottom can't afford to do that in Sydney .
 
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We should have started the rebuild this year other wise we are going to end up like Carlton 5-6 years on the bottom can't afford to do that in Sydney .
i am a big fan of the idea of promoting our youth, and i believe we have to do this in 08....we're not at carlton stage yet, but i very much agree with you that we could be headed that way if we persist with the likes of crouch, mathews and a few others for much longer
i have been criticised in other threads for this push for playing the younger blokes

but there y'go
 

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i am a big fan of the idea of promoting our youth, and i believe we have to do this in 08....we're not at carlton stage yet, but i very much agree with you that we could be headed that way if we persist with the likes of crouch, mathews and a few others for much longer
i have been criticised in other threads for this push for playing the younger blokes

but there y'go
yeah at least we agree on something. If we are struggling by round 15-16 I reckon you'l find it will be the end of Crouch and Mathews, Both have been very good servants of the club but unfortunately not quite up to it anymore.
 

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they should retire with dignity rather than being told to..

i know everyone wants to stick with the old premiership team, and i understand the whole sentimentality of it, but along with keeping our core players we really need to start developing our younger players- i for one believe we have an awesome rookie list that many people don't ever bother looking at.

the only thing i really want is for kirkie to instill some of his bloods etho's into a midfielder, as in 2007, alongside goodsey, i believe he was the one constantly spurring us on.
kirk can ultimately decide the difference between a narrow loss and a thumping win.
 
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yeah at least we agree on something. If we are struggling by round 15-16 I reckon you'l find it will be the end of Crouch and Mathews, Both have been very good servants of the club but unfortunately not quite up to it anymore.
they have indeed been great swans, as has leo, but i don't want to wait that long
as far as i'm concerned, crouch surely has to get a tap on the shoulder, his body's almost gone, he can no longer either keep up on an opponent or run out a game, he was a crock in the finals loss to c'wood and his failing body has affected his confidence and his decision-making
mathews is not as badly off healthwise, but he is now too slow and not skilled enough to command a place in the 22 (in my opinion)
leo must be moved away from a key position, he also has lost pace and his decision-making has always been based on sheer nerve, which as was shown (again) against c'wood, when he was run down by fraser, just won't stand him in good stead with the loss of speed....he has to be put in a pocket or on a flank if he is to survive

if crouch is encouraged to retire, which i still think will happen, it frees up one more spot for any proposed rookie promotions
 
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yeah at least we agree on something. If we are struggling by round 15-16 I reckon you'l find it will be the end of Crouch and Mathews, Both have been very good servants of the club but unfortunately not quite up to it anymore.
i'd like to think we can start introducing the likes of jesse white, dan currie, dan o'keefe, maybe craig bird into the team early on, see what happens, and also obviously getting more game time into laidlaw, barlow, maybe keiren jack
i have been criticised for such radical suggestions but, as you say mj23, if we don't start this regeneration as early as possible, meaning in 2008, we will find ourselves down with the carltons (and i predict essendon too) in the next few years
 
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i'd like to think we can start introducing the likes of jesse white, dan currie, dan o'keefe, maybe craig bird into the team early on, see what happens, and also obviously getting more game time into laidlaw, barlow, maybe keiren jack
i have been criticised for such radical suggestions but, as you say mj23, if we don't start this regeneration as early as possible, meaning in 2008, we will find ourselves down with the carltons (and i predict essendon too) in the next few years
and one last point: if the plan to play kids does nothing more than prove those kids aren't up to it, we can then plan for the next stage, although we have to give them as much time as possible, i guess
but it's a start
 

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If you delisted one more I would like to see Roosy go after Darren Pfeiffer from the crows got delisted after a fairly solid year at Norwood. I think he got in a bit of shit after a night out on the town (was pick 18 or 19 last year or the year before). And a possible rookie list of Rhys Archard was having an awesome year for South Adelaide while on crows rookie list.
 
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and one last point: if the plan to play kids does nothing more than prove those kids aren't up to it, we can then plan for the next stage, although we have to give them as much time as possible, i guess
but it's a start
That is true. Not all kids are able to take the next step and we would be better off finding out sooner rather than later for their sake and the clubs.

I definetely want to see Laidlaw, Barlow, Bird, O'Keefe and Currie get a crack early (possibly along with pick 11).
 

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can't forget Orreal though,

His background in league, basketball and heeaps of other sports really puts him into the agile ruck "Dean Cox" type. I wonder what position he played in nrl, if he was on the backline or wing, the trait of being a damn good tackler will be added.
 

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Don't blame Roosy for getting rid of Schneider it was that money hungry 2nd ruckman of ours Darren Jolly he should be paying us for piggy backing him to a premeirship.
While overall the salary cap has been issue for the club this year, the decision to off load Scheinder and Dempster was to do with providing opportunities to our younger players, which Roos has stated he will be doing in early 2008.

We don't have an adequate replacement for Jolly at present so the extended deal to keep him was a given.

Scheinder has adequate replacements in Schmidt. Moore and even Daniel O'Keefe or Craig Bird if they can come on quickly.

Dempster was behind both Kennelly and Malceski for obivious reasons and the addition of Mattner and the development of Barlow and Laidlaw killed off any hope he had of playing regular football.

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While overall the salary cap has been issue for the club this year, the decision to off load Scheinder and Dempster was to do with providing opportunities to our younger players, which Roos has stated he will be doing in early 2008.

We don't have an adequate replacement for Jolly at present so the extended deal to keep him was a given.

Scheinder has adequate replacements in Schmidt. Moore and even Daniel O'Keefe or Craig Bird if they can come on quickly.

Dempster was behind both Kennelly and Malceski for obivious reasons and the addition of Mattner and the development of Barlow and Laidlaw killed off any hope he had of playing regular football.

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DST I sort of understand what you are saying apart from Scneider being traded to give younger players opportunites he is only 23 so thats still young in my eyes. We could have traded Jolly off and got Wood, What do you think about that, would you have liked that? Dempster was never going to get a consistent game.
 
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