Doping Thread

[Papa Juggs]

Froome cobble king now. He just keeps getting better. What a champ.

 

[bing181]

Hmm, yep Froome is strong at climbing, ITT, sprinting and ...

Hope you have a better grasp of footy than you do of cycling.

 

[bing181]

Froome cobble king now. He just keeps getting better. What a champ.

FFS, he finished in a group of 33 riders, all with the same time, with another 50 or 60 close behind.. He wasn't/isn't the king of anything.

Blinded by prejudice, your obsession is showing.

 

[Smedts_2]

Hope you have a better grasp of footy than you do of cycling.

Hmmm... I'd put that comment back at you.

The sprint comment, which I assume is what you are taking issue with, was a little tongue in cheek but only slightly. I didn't say bunch sprints, incidentally (although he actually has a few Top 10 finishes).

Froome is ahead of where he should be in all aspects of cycling based on pedigree and physiology. If you watch his performances and aren't suspicious then we should talk about this bridge I can sell you.

 

[bing181]

Froome is ahead of where he should be in all aspects of cycling based on pedigree and physiology.

Ridiculous, and about all there is behind your assertions.

 

[alfy!]

(although he actually has a few Top 10 finishes).

Did laugh. This thread is a joke.

 

[Belnakor]

I guess what I really want to see is other teams doping to the same level to provide some competition. It's not the juice that bothers me so much as the fact it's a 1 man race.

Was a blessing when he went down last year. Opened the tour up and we had alot more interesting things happen.

 

[Smedts_2]

Ridiculous, and about all there is behind your assertions.

Yeah, his youth and early pro years really showed he had the makings of a champion...

But I admit, you can see how he beat Armstrong's 2003 and 2005 times up the Ax 3 Domaines in 2013 - it's because he trains better or something.

I think the best description of his performances is the one from Not Normal in 2013 - "Miraculous". Not quite "Mutant" (as were Contador, Riis, Ulrich and Armstrong) but not far off.

Why don't you explain why his stellar early years were suggestive of his current unbeatable form rather than calling me names?

 

[Papa Juggs]

It is a well accepted fact Sky could put a trained monkey on a bike as their team leader and have it win the Tour.

 

[bing181]

It is a well accepted fact Sky could put a trained monkey on a bike as their team leader and have it win the Tour.

Which is why Richie Porte dominated the Giro this year.

Stick to footy.

 

[Smedts_2]

Which is why Richie Porte dominated the Giro this year.

Stick to footy.

Did you actually watch the Giro?

 

[Belnakor]

It is a well accepted fact Sky could put a trained monkey on a bike as their team leader and have it win the Tour.

you do need *some* talent to win, even with the copious amounts of juice Sky are pumping into them.

But yeah, when Mick Rogers is having career best form when cycling for Sky you have to smell a rat.

 

[democritus]

you do need *some* talent to win, even with the copious amounts of juice Sky are pumping into them.

But yeah, when Mick Rogers is having career best form when cycling for Sky you have to smell a rat.

You do hear a lot of murmurs about Sky.

For the sports sake, I really hope it's just cynicism.

 

[grouse mate]

Paolini has tested positive to Cocaine after a random test after stage 4 of TDF. I'm sorry but I lol'd when i read.

 

[alfy!]

Why don't you explain why his stellar early years were suggestive of his current unbeatable form rather than calling me names?

That would be a good point if every top cyclist (and athlete) came from a top pedigree and had huge success in their youth. But that's simply not that case.

 

[Smedts_2]

That would be a good point if every top cyclist (and athlete) came from a top pedigree and had huge success in their youth. But that's simply not that case.

Which of his current rivals showed less sporting talent? His times show him to be one of the greats (even compared to the doping era). Where did that come from?

 

[Papa Juggs]

Awesome effort team Sky in the TTT. Can top time trailers climb mountains though?

 

[alfy!]

Awesome effort team Sky in the TTT. Can top time trailers climb mountains though?

Ask BMC and Movistar.

 

[seanoff]

That would be a good point if every top cyclist (and athlete) came from a top pedigree and had huge success in their youth. But that's simply not that case.

froome showed nothing until the vuelta at which point he went from a barely useful domestique, to grand tour dominator. There was talk of sky dropping him. Then. BOOM. His Palmares before thay Vuelta are ordinary to say the least. Then he got a rare debilitating disease, disappeared for 6 months and came back as superman.

Nothing at all to be suspicious of there!!!

 

[Smedts_2]

froome showed nothing until the vuelta at which point he went from a barely useful domestique, to grand tour dominator. There was talk of sky dropping him. Then. BOOM. His Palmares before thay Vuelta are ordinary to say the least. Then he got a rare debilitating disease, disappeared for 6 months and came back as superman.

Nothing at all to be suspicious of there!!!

Marginal gains. Explains everything. Well, that and Badzilla. And they're about sign Landa - he looks legit too.

 

[ben_1301]

Anyone else been following the whole Froome data thing today? Opinions?

 

[Smedts_2]

Anyone else been following the whole Froome data thing today? Opinions?

Nothing in it, clearly...

 

[Smedts_2]

Ah. FFS. Here it goes again.

Amazing that Sky has 5 riders better than every single French rider. Guess they don't have marginal gains over the channel.

 

[Papa Juggs]

This is bullshit unless Froome is better clean than Lance ever was at his very peak.

 

[wolmeister]

This is bullshit unless Froome is better clean than Lance ever was at his very peak.

It's the special training programs - explains it all. Even Froome's rise from an average domestic to smashing the other GC contenders. Marginal gains and all that......pure, honest, hard work. Complete horse crap if you ask me. If it's too good to be true it usually is.