Doping Thread

[Freakie]

Miss you blackcat... Where can I get some magic weight loss drugs, im 8kg's over race weight and my VO2max is probabably down to about 55ish

 

[blackcat]

Also, I have to say that the logic that Sky would not dope "as it would destroy British cycling for good" is nonsensical. It didn't stop David Millar. It didn't stop US Postal & Armstrong for the Amricans. Or Festina & Virenque for the French. Telekom & Ullrich for the Germans. Etc. It's as relevant as 'I wouldn't dope, because I had cancer.'

wrong logic flaw.

right logic flaw = circular logic.

"if they become successful to build their brand and wealth (c Armstrong) then they have proof to reason they can maintain that MO. Why would they dope to be successful, then stop doping, to maintain the myth".

yes, there is indeed flaws in my logic I entertained above.

but the "why would I dope since "I had cancer", since "we won and had great success in British Cycling and Brailsford" why would I risk it, why would I risk my health, are mere talking points, smart rhetoric for gullible rubes who believe Marianne Jones et al. Dont believe dopers syllogisms. They are all pulled from the book of dopia apolgia.

but good to see for me now, that you invoked the cancer soundbit Siggie, sorry I never really did my homework and read it all before I typed away

Miss you blackcat... Where can I get some magic weight loss drugs, im 8kg's over race weight and my VO2max is probabably down to about 55ish

a cosmetic doctor in brighton, south yarra or toorak, maybe canterbury or hawthorn. I dont know what they prescribe, the really dodgy ones, in SoCal and LA they call them youth doctors or some such hogwash euphemism. Anti-aging docs, physicians, gps, whatever...

I posted this on CyclingNews fora, one of the BF posters in these threads think "we" are crazy.

hey, how many Aussies, or Brits here, Brits that watch Neighbours.
 
Aussies in Melbourne and surrounds, the actor Ryan Maloney is selling a diet food delivery company, advertisements.
 
Light and Easy.
 
He is on something. Something to aid metabolism, and perhaps a little hgh.
 
 
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He was a corpulent dude, now he is just "heavy boned". A bit like the Seth Rogen. The Canuck comedian/actor. But I reckon Seth just stopped eating and drinking, to take advantage of his fame and groupie status  Gees I luv Seth. Especially good in Sarah Pollleys serious film.

cycled

bodybuilders know you have to cycle exognous gear.

Most of doping is now to prepare on the strength regime, then get the oxygen parameters dialled before the tour. The GT's are won on your oxygen parameters, and how much O2 you can get to the muscles screaming in O2 debt. You know, you rode semi pro, or amateurs in lowlands. I dont know this preactical experience.

And also, intra tour recovery doping, some insulin, danger danger will robinson, and hgh and testo. Some of that, acts in antagonism to some of the other dope, so you dont just do it in cocktail. Like igf-1 and insuilin, I believe are antagonists, you wont be cycling them "on". But I aint a dope doc, or a doc, biochem, or pharmacists, so dont ask me.

Wiggins Manning Hayles

haynes, and the youth brigade coming thru, Fenn et al. They are champs. And the 26yo sprinter at Bodysol who was at Konica Minolta in about 2008.

They have this depth coming thru, that will excede Australian Depth. I think Brialsford will have built the number one road cycling nation, within 10 years. Why? Money.

Because money will effect the talent pool. It will facilitate the fulfilment of the potential of this catchment, which might be as large in numbers of the young germans and french and italian cyclists, but the money poured in, will give them evey dhance to fulfill their talent. And Brailsfor is not oo interested in youth medals. He looks where the real thing counts. Australia cherry picks the youth.

It is the Kennaugh brothers generation, and g Thomas, they will lead the world. And it all comes down to the brilliance and strategic forsight of Brailsford, who has a long game in mind. The Fenn kids, they will win a bucketload of classics. Forget Cav and Wiggo. They are just the start, in terms of depth, they will come onstream in the next six years, in the Protour. And Cav will mark his place as the best ever sprinter, in the next 3 years, and have another decade winning up to 50 TdF stages.

said my piece. (but they are doing it to the same way, neither better, nor worse)

starting with Kennaugh bros, Fenn Rowe Christian

 

[blue gunslinger]

Miss you blackcat... Where can I get some magic weight loss drugs, im 8kg's over race weight and my VO2max is probabably down to about 55ish

I can offer Duromine Xenical....good prices
can even do backyard stomach banding if you are game

 

[blackcat]

I can offer Duromine Xenical....good prices
can even do backyard stomach banding if you are game

problem is, if you want to train for the Tour, and need to do those anaerobic efforts, and do 200kms in the mtns in the training lead up months. that is a truck load of calories you need. Yeah, you gonna lose non-functional tissue. But it is a balancing act, between catabolic training, and training that sees you hit the sweet spot between power, and you optimal mass. Gotta focus on muscle to weight, with some algorythm function to the chrono. This will take into account how many miles the chronos are. So if they are longer, you may come in more cancellara esqu, more tony martin esque. And both these cats have shown they can climb, and this woulda been an ideal year for a titlt at gc

 

[blue gunslinger]

problem is, if you want to train for the Tour, and need to do those anaerobic efforts, and do 200kms in the mtns in the training lead up months. that is a truck load of calories you need. Yeah, you gonna lose non-functional tissue. But it is a balancing act, between catabolic training, and training that sees you hit the sweet spot between power, and you optimal mass. Gotta focus on muscle to weight, with some algorythm function to the chrono. This will take into account how many miles the chronos are. So if they are longer, you may come in more cancellara esqu, more tony martin esque. And both these cats have shown they can climb, and this woulda been an ideal year for a titlt at gc

sorry-was just being smart.
they have it down way better than this with regards to insulin and evrything else. Just giggle at the fools who come in and spend $$ expecting miracles in a pill

 

[blackcat]

sorry-was just being smart.
they have it down way better than this with regards to insulin and evrything else. Just giggle at the fools who come in and spend $$ expecting miracles in a pill

what about Cutting Edge Muscle forum gunslinger? have you seen that forum. I had access to a few guys memberships when they stuck the juicy stuff behind firewalls, and no memberships were being created. I attampted to reverse engineer one of the posters there, cos he talked about riding Milan San Remo, and I had him narrowed to about 3 americans from 1999-2003 who had ridden MSR during that time. Prolly on USPS. I am thinking a seppo. Definitely an anglophone by his diction

AICAR helps lose weight, and helps you build your endurance...

 

[blue gunslinger]

what about Cutting Edge Muscle forum gunslinger? have you seen that forum. I had access to a few guys memberships when they stuck the juicy stuff behind firewalls, and no memberships were being created. I attampted to reverse engineer one of the posters there, cos he talked about riding Milan San Remo, and I had him narrowed to about 3 americans from 1999-2003 who had ridden MSR during that time. Prolly on USPS. I am thinking a seppo. Definitely an anglophone by his diction

AICAR helps lose weight, and helps you build your endurance...

wait a sec wait a sec-My offer of products was because i sell the crap so was making a joke. Not actually wanting to involve myself in thje do and dont's.The one thing I would love to see is studies on long term implications on these guys like kidney fnctn etc.

 

[blackcat]

wait a sec wait a sec-My offer of products was because i sell the crap so was making a joke. Not actually wanting to involve myself in thje do and dont's.The one thing I would love to see is studies on long term implications on these guys like kidney fnctn etc.

and yuou know the Nathan Brow leg break, and the Michael Barlow leg break and Gary Rohan.

You reeckon this could be stroids, specifically the catabolic stuff.

Commonly know as cortisone. corticoids. corticosteroids.

the only greenstick muscle break I can remember, was John Barnes for Geelong (I think). But was it Michael Foster the footscray player, my memory recalls him for some reason, maybe he broke some guys shin when he tripped him back in the early 90s, when they outsleawed tripping at the tribunal.

I reckon the AFL should be looking into this, the stength drugs, the hypertrophy androgens, fast acting testo, IGF-1, insulin, etc. I wonder why the legs with compound fractures when there were non in decades of football.

and I think there ARE indeed linkes between cortisone and osteoporosis, and a tentative google search

 

[Freakie]

Bye bye frank....

 

[iluvparis]

Any chance of getting a description of what the drug Frank took does? Diuretic so I expect a masking agent? Also if possible in as most basic English as possible

 

[blackcat]

Any chance of getting a description of what the drug Frank took does? Diuretic so I expect a masking agent? Also if possible in as most basic English as possible

its a diuretic like you have read.

simple explanation, he f'ed up. Meant to piss it out, and mask other stuff, and not register on the mass spectrometry gas chromotagraphy assay. The graphs that the technicnology produced.

Andy is gonna be in the frame now, with more pressure on him. Amigo de Birillo is resurrected.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Any chance of getting a description of what the drug Frank took does? Diuretic so I expect a masking agent? Also if possible in as most basic English as possible

read it was purely to drop his weight to help get over the mountains Warney style. How dangerous is that! Kidney function would be at a huge risk. Masking on the other hand I guess would be worth that risk

 

[The Falcon Strike]

So is that 2 years for Frank if found guilty?

He'd want to be having a strong word to his chemsit, because in the words of Verve "The Drugs Don't Work"

 

[monty1104]

Franks wont get 2 years for taking this drug (Xipamide) as it is not on the banned substance list. It is a "specified substance" which carries a lighter penalty, and means he does not even have to pull out of the Tour technically.

 

[blue gunslinger]

IF it was something somebody slipped him...damn dangerous

 

[Freakie]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ed-for-A-sample-EPO-positive-doping-test.aspx

Tour of Turkey done for EPO,,,

 

[Vader]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ed-for-A-sample-EPO-positive-doping-test.aspx

Tour of Turkey done for EPO,,,

Love this quote from that article:

“This is not a surprise. This is a lot of work…not only this year or last year. I’ve been for more than 15 years a professional rider,” the 34 year old insisted in a video interview, which can be seen here.

Now where have I heard/read an almost identical quote to that in the last couple of weeks, from another rider who is almost certainly on the juice?

 

[rickyp]

I think it's just a way of justifying that even though they're on the juice, they still do a lot of work. I wouldn't deny that either, they'd probably do just as much work as anyone else in the peloton but they've got a bit of assistance.

 

[s1bbald]

Tonight's stage has me in no doubt that there's something not on with Team Sky, but I'm wondering, is it a matter of 'Not if, but when' they get caught, or is there a possibility that they'll never get done?

 

[monty1104]

Tonight's stage has me in no doubt that there's something not on with Team Sky, but I'm wondering, is it a matter of 'Not if, but when' they get caught, or is there a possibility that they'll never get done?

Got a feeling they would never get done. Sky also sponsors the Great Brittain cycling team, so I'd think there is some government backing going on too. Others know about that situation better that I do, I'm just putting 2 and 2 together.

 

[blackcat]

Got a feeling they would never get done. Sky also sponsors the Great Brittain cycling team, so I'd think there is some government backing going on too. (not really) Others know about that situation better that I do, I'm just putting 2 and 2 together.

posted this in the LA thread

not really government backing. This is the entire construct of the Olympics and high level sport. It aint about teaching your kids principals and ethics and soccer moms (US channelling). You really dont wanna know how your sausage is made. This is about one thing, the "W". winning. And myth, ubermensch. How I would love to have an off the record beer chat with Nic Bideau if he would speak off the cuff with no duplicity. I saw him in a cafe in balaclava a week after he mentioned that the Arizona altitude thing, has no benefit, when you need the jetlag allimatisation, and the plane trips when you do under 10 days. And the altitude stuff aint proven for all athletes. And most of the research in the past 2 decades moved to train sealevel, sleep high. And even altitude tents, have nebulous advantage....

plausible deniability, leverage UK lotteries wealth while let them eat cake (play pokies), and give them wide berth to dope in the preparation phase.

throw one or two escaped goats to the wolves (like the female GB athlete in the 400 or 800 track who got done for 3 missed OOC tests)


dont inspect the sausage. Most likely got STDs



from blackcat in the other thread

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Conte-talks-steroids-ahead-of-Olympics-3707871.php#page-2

Conte says, players can't use the pure testosterone they used before testing began in 2003. He says that his inside sources tell him some players use fast-acting synthetic testosterone, less powerful but easily flushable from the system. The fact that home-run production is down from pretesting days, Conte says, is not proof that baseball is clean.
Conte claims that a key shortcoming of Olympic drug testing is the timing. He says he toldWorld Anti-Doping Agencyofficials years ago, "Here's where you're not getting it right: When you build your explosive strength and speed and power base is October-November-December. Eight months later, they're winning gold medals based on the drugs they used nine months ago. So you don't need to be testing at the Games. ... You need to stick your hook and line and pole in the pond during this time frame. I know, because I was preparing people this way."
Conte says that leading up to the 2008 Olympics, the agency did exactly the opposite of what he suggested. It reduced the number of tests during the power-building time period.
"Now, if you know that's when the fish are biting, why do you reel in your hook and line, lean your pole up against a tree, put a straw hat on and decide to take a nap? So there's one of two things going on. You're either totally uninformed and you're choosing not to pay attention to what you hear from me or anybody else, or you're enabling, harboring and promoting the use of drugs."
The painful truth

Conte believes that many people in the anti-doping bureaucracy ignore or dismiss him because his advice would result, short term, in more positive tests. Therefore, "I'm bad for business."
He believes there is a long history of covering up positive drug tests of American athletes.
Conte says he had multiple long meetings with agency officials. His advice was well received by Dick Pound when Pound was the anti-doping agency's president, but John Fahey took over in 2008 and said he preferred to take the advice of doctors, not convicted criminals.
Conte claims that he was told by Pound that the notes from Conte's meetings with agency officials were subsequently burned.
"What does that tell you?" Conte asks. "I just find this highly suspicious. Why would you do that? Is that smart business?"
Conte says he has it from reliable sources that sprinters in at least one other country obtained his doping insights from those anti-doping agency meetings and are using them as a blueprint for cheating.

Thorpie shoulda sued L'Equipe for his lutenising hormone postive
heheh

 

[blackcat]

Tonight's stage has me in no doubt that there's something not on with Team Sky, but I'm wondering, is it a matter of 'Not if, but when' they get caught, or is there a possibility that they'll never get done?

its not just Sky. Its the entire peloton.

But Sky have hit the peloton when it is "underresouirced" to creat a euphemism. A lot of the peloton are not at full capacity with their medical programs (nother euphemism).

Sky will be protected like a cancer sufferer tho

 

[s1bbald]

I am aware that the entire peloton isn't clean, but I guess in years gone by, there has still been a semi-level playing field in the Tour, albeit a drugged-up playing field. This year's Tour, however, is turning into a farce. It's almost like Sky's drugs are on drugs. It's a shame that such a great event is won/lost in a laboratory.

 

[monty1104]

I am aware that the entire peloton isn't clean, but I guess in years gone by, there has still been a semi-level playing field in the Tour, albeit a drugged-up playing field. This year's Tour, however, is turning into a farce. It's almost like Sky's drugs are on drugs. It's a shame that such a great event is won/lost in a laboratory.

Agree. Last time I saw a performance this dominant in a GT was Contador, 2011, Giro. We all know what happened there.

 

[Andrew Mc]

I am aware that the entire peloton isn't clean, but I guess in years gone by, there has still been a semi-level playing field in the Tour, albeit a drugged-up playing field. This year's Tour, however, is turning into a farce. It's almost like Sky's drugs are on drugs. It's a shame that such a great event is won/lost in a laboratory.

Yeah, tend to agree with this. I've been spending late nights watching it for years, but this year it's past the point of even bothering.