Double-Death-Riding Carlton 2019 Edition - READ THE OP

How many games will Carlton win?


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wtf?

the arrow wasnt red but there has always been an arrow on a quote that took you to the original post

how the hell did you know who/what people were on about ?- sometimes I had to go clicking 3 or 4 quotes back before finally getting a name or clarification on a topic
There’s no need if you read the thread from oldest to newest. Like the comments in the online papers which display newest first, you just re-order it to oldest and it’s all good. BF is already ordered that way.
 

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There’s no need if you read the thread from oldest to newest. Like the comments in the online papers which display newest first, you just re-order it to oldest and it’s all good. BF is already ordered that way.
Well yeah, but sometimes I'd not check a thread for two or three days and the first new post would be something like 'I think he should be playing more midfield minutes and it'll be a breakout year ' in reply to a post that doesn't mention anyone by name - you have to click back to remember who people are talking about
 

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wtf?

the arrow wasnt red but there has always been an arrow on a quote that took you to the original post

how the hell did you know who/what people were on about ?- sometimes I had to go clicking 3 or 4 quotes back before finally getting a name or clarification on a topic
Yes, I believe that its technical title is "The WTF are they on about? button."
 
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Nah, still have a good enough list to be an average side. will finish in the 8 - 12 range
I am thinking if ever mitch grigg was a chance of getting back to the AFL, mitchell going down could open the door as grigg like mitchell is not blessed with pace but he can really accumulate and win the hard ball. He would be as good a like for like replacement as the hawks could find from the players available still eligible to be drafted...and i think in their system he could be a good player
 

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You're saying that like it's a good thing
It was only in reply to a comment noting gold coasts recruitment was far better than carltons re who might be better going into this season. But that post neglected to note carlton did not lose any of their A graders like cripps and curnow whilst GC lost just about all of their A graders
 

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It was only in reply to a comment noting gold coasts recruitment was far better than carltons re who might be better going into this season. But that post neglected to note carlton did not lose any of their A graders like cripps and curnow whilst GC lost just about all of their A graders
With them Carlton won 2 games. Players (A-grade, and not) are an overrated component to a side, as they are the icing to the cake, not the cake itself. On that, I doubt we'll have a moment that sums this up more perfectly then Cripps game against us in round 23. That was one of the all time great inside midfielder performances, and Carlton still got belted by 100 points.

If you don't have the structures in place, it doesn't matter how many A-grade players you have there. You'll still be useless. Something GC has a credible chance of fixing, whereas Carlton really doesn't as they didn't make any off field moves this year. So yeah, I don't buy that their recruitment will help them either,much like how retaining players won't help Carlton, but improvement is certainly possible through another avenue for GC.
 
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Nah, too many terrible teams below and Mitchell isn't a crippling loss.

Will hurt Hawthorn though, and probably solidifies them as a 9-13 team.
Yeah, I think that the Hawks are back to where we were 2015-16 had the ability to take scalps and have good wins but a little bit of a soft underbelly. Last year they had a soft draw so it took a 6-8 team into the top 4. (I'd argue that the pies were in a similar boat) Mitchell's ability to win the ball will be a big loss to them and I think that it will mean that they wont compete with the big boys, but they still should towel up the minnows. 9-13 is a fair assesment.
 

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FWIW this is my Prediction for the and of season Ladder.

Top 4
Adelaide
Richmond
Melbourne
WCE

(You can throw a blanket over these guys, the order might be different, I'm backing in our fitness staff, our ability and our draw here.)

Rest of the 8
Collingwood - Harder Draw, Beams is a big in, but their mids were already elite, still need to score and stop scoring.
GWS - I think that their boat has sailed, Sheil is a big loss for them, Kelly and Coniglio are great though. This will be the worst that they do they could be much better than this prediction.)
Essendon - Will improve a bit, a lot will depend on whether Joe D becomes the player that they hope. Sheil is a big in.
Sydney - I think that they are drifting now, Mills and Heeney need to find the next gear.

Geelong - Haven't seemed to click in the GAJ 2 Era, can play good footy but too sporadic.
Port Power - Will win enough games to keep Kern. Losing Polec and Wingard will hurt them.
North - has about as much luck as Santiago in old man and the sea at landing the big fish.
Hawks - were inflated last year, losing Tommy Gun will cripple the ship.
Brisbane - Young core is good, Fagan can coach, Hodge is a general. On the up.
Doggies - Played the youngest 22 in 2018 on 18 occasions, puppies lose Dolehouse and need to refind their Mojo.
Fremantle - Got some tall timber, lost Neale and I think the game has gone past Ross. Will be another nothing season for them.
Saint Kilda - Have some talent, but can they pull it together, can Richardson coach?
GCS - Lost May and Lynch but added some solid contributors to the engine room. Yr 2 of the Dew should see the structures in play.
Carlton - Their top six most capped players are , Simpson, Murphy, Thomas, Ed C, Kreuser, Jones. The next is Liam Casbolt. 2022 looks bright though.
 

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If anyone wants an enjoyable couple of hours on the couch try re-watching the R23 games vs Blues. Blues are beyond are pitiful and I love how Piggy Dunstall absolutely gives it to them all game. Skill level of Blues is absolutely deplorable - well along with hunger, footy smarts, fitness and structure.

Crows with a top 2/3 pick I am hoping grab Rankine end of 2019. Someone 'in the know' on the drafts board recently said he is not settling in well at Suns. Surely its only a matter of time before he returns home.

Otherwise I would not be surprised to see the Crows again trade pick 2 or 3, especially if there are no absolute standouts at the relevant pick. We have shown we are as motivated as any club to strike deals and could do a pick #2 and Crows 2020 second rounder for a regressing teams (Geelong, Horks, Poort) for a pick say 6-8 in 2019 and first round draft pick in 2020

Great optionality
 

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With them Carlton won 2 games. Players (A-grade, and not) are an overrated component to a side, as they are the icing to the cake, not the cake itself. On that, I doubt we'll have a moment that sums this up more perfectly then Cripps game against us in round 23. That was one of the all time great inside midfielder performances, and Carlton still got belted by 100 points.

If you don't have the structures in place, it doesn't matter how many A-grade players you have there. You'll still be useless. Something GC has a credible chance of fixing, whereas Carlton really doesn't as they didn't make any off field moves this year. So yeah, I don't buy that their recruitment will help them either,much like how retaining players won't help Carlton, but improvement is certainly possible through another avenue for GC.
We are talking about degrees of garbage between what carlton and GC will serve up this year. I don't buy GC draft strategy at all for the mid and longer term and i am firmly in the corner that thinks they will finish clear bottom with carlton being anywhere between 17th and 15th
 

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We are talking about degrees of garbage between what carlton and GC will serve up this year. I don't buy GC draft strategy at all for the mid and longer term and i am firmly in the corner that thinks they will finish clear bottom with carlton being anywhere between 17th and 15th
I fully expect Carlton to be their own tier of garbage, and give Fremantle 1-21 season a really good shake. Gold Coast I could easily envision getting 4-5 wins this year.

After all, 2-20 is beyond the point it happens by accident, and Carlton haven't done anything to rectify that.
 

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I fully expect Carlton to be their own tier of garbage, and give Fremantle 1-21 season a really good shake. Gold Coast I could easily envision getting 4-5 wins this year.

After all, 2-20 is beyond the point it happens by accident, and Carlton haven't done anything to rectify that.
I'll be honest, i struggle to see GC winning a single game as they lost some seriously good players and have replaced them with offcasts, raw kids and state leaguers. I can see the better teams putting them to the sword in a big way. Carlton at least kept their young core together and have added some more forward firepower in mcgovern and fasolo. They have also added walsh, setterfield and stocker to their midfield mix without losing anyone. They are still well away from coming good but i see tgem being a class up on the suns who to be honest i could see norwood or north giving a stern test too
 

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I'll be honest, i struggle to see GC winning a single game as they lost some seriously good players and have replaced them with offcasts, raw kids and state leaguers. I can see the better teams putting them to the sword in a big way. Carlton at least kept their young core together and have added some more forward firepower in mcgovern and fasolo. They have also added walsh, setterfield and stocker to their midfield mix without losing anyone. They are still well away from coming good but i see tgem being a class up on the suns who to be honest i could see norwood or north giving a stern test too
I rate Dew as a coach (it's very much a vibe thing at this point of time), so I reckon you'll be pleasantly surprised by GC (unless of course, you dislike GC, though how would baffle me due to how harmless they've been since their inception). Structures, not players, win games after all and a poor on paper team can do some serious damage if they get it right structurally. The 2nd year is a good litmus test on a coach seeing you're out of the period that a side will "spike" due to something new, and also the year that any widespread structural changes should really begin to show (+ there is an extra year of tinkering). So all in all, they should improve this year, despite losing Lynch, if Dew has a long term future as a coach. Some of the better teams will put them to the sword, of course, but both clubs in question will cop a few hideous beatings as neither are even close to being in a position they could reliably compete with the top end of the competition.

The other issue is the assumption that time = development, which is a very flawed idea. Time = development is very situational, something you can bank on a club that's worked shit out, like Adelaide, but cannot be assumed for a club where they're poorly ran, like Cartlon. There is nothing there to be optimistic about Cartlon outside of the idea of "surely they can't be that bad again, right?" which of course, naturally they can be that bad again. A couple of nice prospects, but a very weak coach, backed by a weak coaching staff (Teague being an exception, though how much is hard to say), already lost a top line player in Doherty (though, it's early enough that a side can reliably plan around not having a player), and they've done the equivalent of putting their heads in the sand after one of the worst seasons period. They are in for a world of hurt this year.
 

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I'm a lot more bullish about the Gold Coast list than most. Not saying they'll exit the bottom four but they have some real talent in that squad.
Their spine looks promising; Lukosius, Wright/King, Burgess and Thompson are tall mobile players.
Sure young blokes take time but I'm guessing they'll be thrown in the deep end sooner than later and may surprise in some games.
Ainsworth, Martin and Rankine looks quite potent and will add a lot of bite around the forward line. If Brodie, Bowes and Weller are given responsibility and play to their potential they have the ability to cause problems at stoppages.
Dew IMO has to make this a run and gun team and hold his nerve.
Every team thinks they'll improve so where will the GC wins come from?
Hard work, and quick ball movement. Young players can add a lot of enthusiasm. They'll wear down by seasons end but 3-4 wins is not an unrealistic goal if they play with effort.
 
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I’d be gobsmacked if they fell close to that far. Not sure who they lost outside of Burton, but Scully and Wingard will be handy additions.
The last I read about Scully (before Xmas) was that they didn't really know when he will be over his ankle injury and ready to come back
 
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