Draf theory

[Pjkimber]

DISCLAIMER: Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

The title of this thread is the bleeding obvious, we have had many a thread on these boards proving that our drafting over the last 5 or so years has been quite poor.

If we had of drafted better between 2002-2006 I believe we would currently be a top 4 side and even a chance of winning the flag on a good day out. Here is some interesting facts that im sure will cause debate amongst fellow BF posters.

2002 DRAFT:

We pick up Daniel Bell (14) Nick Smith (15) Jared Rivers (26) Gary Moorcroft (39) Cameron Hunter (54) and Ryan Ferguson (66) makes up the draft.

We elevated Mark Jamar to the list that year so to use pick 15 on a ruckman when we had 2 greats in White and Jolly and upgraded Jamar is beyond me.

Daniel Bell has no awareness and is far to slow. Moorcroft Hunter and Ferguson were duds. Jared rivers was the best selection of this draft 2004 rising star but a horrible run with injuries have hampered him, he still plays a part in the dees Succes.

Pick 14 we could have used on Troy Selwood who went at Pick 19, Pick 15 on Stephen Gilham, 26 on Riv, 39 on Tim Boyle, 54 on Ryan Crowley and a packet of twisties for pick 66.

SUMMARY OF 2002- Defenders in Gilham/Riv, Mids in Selwood/Crowley and a potential KPF replacement for Neitz in Tim Boyle.

2003 DRAFT:

Traded Pick 21 for Ben Holland, Pass on 52 and pick Phil Read in the PSD. Sylvia at 3 McLean at 5 and Chris Johnson at 36 round out our draft.

Sylvia and Mclean were very good choices, its funny how with a full pre-season Col as been our most improved player and Brock dropping back a bit with a limited one. Both are part of melbournes future.

We all know what happened with CJ but he was a waste of a pick (not even half the player his dad. Should have gone with Jed Adcock at 21 who went at 33 Ricky Dyson (44) and used 52 on Andrew Raines (76) instead of a spud like Phil Read in the PSD.

SUMMARY OF 2003: 2 HFS/MID 1 inside MID 1 Back Pocket and 1 Half Back Flanker.

2004 DRAFT:
Pick 12 from thomspon trade gets us Moloney, Matthew Bate (13) Lyden Dunn (15) from trading Jolly to Sydney and Michael Newton (43). Aaron Davey was a rookie elevation this year.

Moloney although a good player, was not worthy of Pick 12 and why in gods name would you use your next 3 picks on KPF/HFF?

Pick 12 should have picked up Jarred Moore who was touted a potential number 1 draft pick but went at pick 31, Bate still at 13, Dean Polo at 15 who went at 20 and Justin Sherman at 43 (45).

SUMMARY OF 2004: 1 FP 1 KPF 1 HBF 1 MID

2005 DRAFT:

Lose picks 28, 44 and 62 for Byron Pickett but gain 52 (Buckley) and 60 (Bartram) Nathan Jones (12) Heath Neville (68)

I know we wanted that premiership player because the window was "open" but Pickett was not the man, we gave away too much to get a bloke who only played 29 games for us and was to busy drinking then wanting to play. I'm not sold on Jones Disposal for a pick 12 selection and obviously should have kept pick 28,44,62. I like Buckley but now not having pick 52 i don't see him worthy of a lesser pick.

Would like to have seen Beau Muston who averaged 23 disposals 9 contested possessions and 6 hardball gets in the TAC cup at 12, Robert Warnock at 28 who went at 42, Sam Lonergan at 44 (50), Clint Bartram at 62 and pass on 68.

SUMMARY OF 2005: 1 Inside Mid 1 Ruck 1 HFF/Mid 1 Back Pocket.

2006 DRAFT:

James Frawley (12) Ricky Petterd (30) Colin Garland (46) Isack Weetra (62)

Extremely happy with Frawley and Garland, both will be 2 of our best defenders over the next couple of years. You cant question Petters courage but his skills let him down at times. Do I even need to give an explanation on Weetra?

Lock Frawley and Garland in for Picks 12 and 46, Alwyn Davey at 30 (36) and pick 62 on Justin Westhoff (71).

SUMMARY OF 2006: 2 DEFENDERS 1 FP/MID 1 KPF.

POTENTIAL BEST 22 AT RND 1 2009 (NOT INCLUDING 2008 DRAFTEES)

B: McDonald Martin Rivers

HB: Raines Frawley Davey

C: Grimes Morton Selwood

HF: Lonergan Bate Green

FF: Al.Davey Boyle Moore

R: Jamar McLean Muston

INT: R.Warnock Sylvia Garland Bruce

EMRG: Cheney Dyson Polo

 

[Colin Grigson]

Re: Draf theory.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure that the best 22 you listed is markedly better than the one we've got now.

The 2002 draft was a joke, i mean we weren't the only ones to lose out there.

Holland for pick 21 in 03' was laughable, but again, just look at some of the players from pick 21 onwards that were drafted. Names like Alex Gilmour, Cameron Thurley, Matthew Moody, Chad Jones, Harry Miller, Daniel McConnell, etc. getting Holland was probably a decent result under the circumstances.

Again in 04' Van Berlo & Matt Rosa were the only decent players after our pick 15 up until pick 32 where Prismall went. Many duds in between again.

05' Maybe Birchall instead of Jones, but Jones may turn out OK in the long run.. Never agreed with the Pickett deal. I must of been one of the few people who didn't think we were a realistic flag chance at the stage. No way we'd use that high a pick for Beau Muston, who'd had two serious knee injuries leading into the draft. So that's not really realistic IMO...

06' Very happy with Frawley & Garland, and looking at the players who went around Petterd - not too many world beaters there either. Ricky might come good too, so bit early to judge on that one. Weetra was always speculative, so that wasn't a real surprise.

At the end of the day, drafting isn't an exact science. I don't think the 2002-2006 drafting would make that much of a difference to our current status, especially considering we didn't have as many high picks like Hawthorn did in the same period.

I think its probably the 4-6 years of recruiting before that period that's the real culprit for our current predicament

 

[Supermercado]

Re: Draf theory.

I still can't believe Cameron Hunter ever played for us. Anything who thinks Watts is undersized needs to go back and look at the tapes of him.

Moorcroft for pick 39 is a bit farcical. Pick 60 or PSD would have been a better bet.

 

[TelkoTheGreat]

Re: Draf theory.

could have picked up Surjan instead of Read in the '03 pre season draft!!!

 

[Fairtex09]

Re: Draf theory.

this thread serves no purpose, all it's gonna do is get everyone more pissed off, about what "could have been".. focus on the future.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

Re: Draf theory.

Half of the players he listed can't even get a game. We didn't miss out on any superstars, move on, look forward, not back.

 

[2 Dogs]

Re: Draf theory.

Jared Moore was not going top 20, let alone pick 1. (Name drop Alert) I played juniors with him, gun, but in terms of best player in the comp is pushing it.

And Dean Polo stinks to high hell. Tim Boyle? Really? Sam Lonergan? Geez you start a tirade against our recruiting, yet the replacements you speak of hardly are hardly gamebreakers. If we had done as you suggested with the draft choices, we would be pushing for 9th like Richmond, and be a long way off ever being a potential premiership threat.

Horrible thread.

 

[w00dy]

Re: Draf theory.

2002 DRAFT:

We pick up Daniel Bell (14) Nick Smith (15) Jared Rivers (26) Gary Moorcroft (39) Cameron Hunter (54) and Ryan Ferguson (66) makes up the draft.

We elevated Mark Jamar to the list that year so to use pick 15 on a ruckman when we had 2 greats in White and Jolly and upgraded Jamar is beyond me.

426 was not a ruckman, he was a key position player, namely a forward. Had really great hands, unfortunately he had a lot of injuries, was too slow, and never made the grade. He had some success for Sandringham playing in the ruck, and when we only had 1 fit ruckman for the final against Freo, he was selected.

2003 DRAFT:

Traded Pick 21 for Ben Holland, Pass on 52 and pick Phil Read in the PSD. Sylvia at 3 McLean at 5 and Chris Johnson at 36 round out our draft.

Should have gone with Jed Adcock at 21 who went at 33 Ricky Dyson (44) and used 52 on Andrew Raines (76) instead of a spud like Phil Read in the PSD.

I would rather Axel Foley personally. Craig Cameron wanted to draft Aaron Davey in the PSD, then take Nathan Foley with the first selection in the Rookie draft. Cameron was overruled by ND, who wanted another strong midfielder, and we took Phil Read.

2004 DRAFT:
Pick 12 from thomspon trade gets us Moloney, Matthew Bate (13) Lyden Dunn (15) from trading Jolly to Sydney and Michael Newton (43). Aaron Davey was a rookie elevation this year.

Moloney although a good player, was not worthy of Pick 12 and why in gods name would you use your next 3 picks on KPF/HFF?

Pick 12 should have picked up Jarred Moore who was touted a potential number 1 draft pick but went at pick 31, Bate still at 13, Dean Polo at 15 who went at 20 and Justin Sherman at 43 (45).

You'd prefer Dean Polo over Lynden Dunn... Really?

having said all this, you could write up something like this for every club, and I'd imagine most would make for worse reading than what this one does... Apart from 2002, I think we've drafted reasonably well...

The thing I would question is how we've positioned ourselves in these drafts, which I think we could've done a lot better. The drafts where we've had a lot of picks, seem to turn out to be pretty ordinary drafts...

 

[melbournemartin]

Re: Draf theory.

I must admit, I was surprised that our best possible draft selections weren't a hell of a lot better than what we got. I guess that, with all the time and money spent on recruiting these days, it's going to be rarer to see gems at the later picks.

You could have thrown in the 2001 draft but that would have been too depressing.

 

[cougar000]

This thread is a load of crap it is easy to say now we should have taken him and him and whoever else, but all clubs could say the same thing.

 

[Dez!]

This thread is a load of crap it is easy to say now we should have taken him and him and whoever else, but all clubs could say the same thing.

That's why at the top it says DISCLAIMER: Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[WattsGoodForYou]

Ha I see Heath Neville round the place i think i am the only person who actually knows about his Melbourne/ Sandy 2's carreer.

 

[The Professor]

This thread is a load of crap it is easy to say now we should have taken him and him and whoever else, but all clubs could say the same thing.

I know. Genius to have posters writing about what should've happen 4-5 years down the track.

In fact in hindsight, I should've put $100,000 on West Tigers and Sydney to win the premiership and Ben Cousins to win Brownlow at the start of 05 and MFC would've been the strongest club ever as they would've received a donation of 2,500,000,000.

Useless information.

 

[sledbomber]

I am glad you are not part of our recruiting team. You have failed to give credit to the good decisions that they have made such as Garland and Davey. The team you listed is no better than what we played with against the Bombers on Friday night. Just be patient some of our recent picks have not had enough time and I think you will find our recruiting team have done very well. Lets not look back now guys, it is all about the bright future.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I know. Genius to have posters writing about what should've happen 4-5 years down the track.

In fact in hindsight, I should've put $100,000 on West Tigers and Sydney to win the premiership and Ben Cousins to win Brownlow at the start of 06 and MFC would've been the strongest club ever as they would've received a donation of 2,500,000,000.

Useless information.

If Pjkimber's interested in time travel, I suggest he pick up a copy of this book, it could prove invaluable!

 

[demonfan9]

In fact in hindsight, I should've put $100,000 on West Tigers and Sydney to win the premiership and Ben Cousins to win Brownlow at the start of 06 and MFC would've been the strongest club ever as they would've received a donation of 2,500,000,000.

Well lucky you didn't, because Sydney lost the 2006 Grand Final and Adam Goodes won the 2006 Brownlow Medal.

 

[The Professor]

Well lucky you didn't, because Sydney lost the 2006 Grand Final and Adam Goodes won the 2006 Brownlow Medal.

Nice.

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