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Just read this article from www.realfooty.com.au and then tell me what you think?

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Draft debacle looms

By JAKE NIALL

The AFL is poised to change the contentious draft concession rules as the likelihood grows that an unprecedented three clubs will receive priority picks in the October draft.
On present ladder positions and win-loss ratios, Fremantle, West Coast and St Kilda should all qualify for the AFL's priority picks, which are awarded to any club that wins five games or fewer.

Effectively, this would result in the bottom three clubs sharing the first six selections in the draft - and the 13th-placed club, on present trends, would not have a draft pick until number seven.

While the AFL has stated that it will not change its poor performer's rule, there is a groundswell of clubs calling for the special assistance (rule seven) system to be granted only to clubs that perform badly over two years or more.

The clubs have observed the unfairness of the bottom three clubs sharing the first six choices and each having access to two of the best half-dozen players in the country, while the 12th and 13th clubs have only picks seven and eight respectively.

AFL football operations manager Andrew Demetriou yesterday indicated that a less generous draft concession rule - such as one that averages a team's wins over two season - was under serious consideration.

Geelong is among several clubs that object to the present system and the Cats have made a formal submission calling for draft assistance to be averaged over two seasons.

Geelong chief executive Brian Cook said yesterday that it was quite possible that the 13th-placed club would not have a draft pick until number seven.

Cook made the point that West Coast had been a finalist for 10 seasons and had a ``reasonable list'', but had been hit hard by injuries.

``I think we've got a small concern in that,'' he said. ``I don't think we've ever had three teams eligible for concessions.''

Demetriou heads up the AFL's draft review working party,which is set to recommend that the priority choices - which clubs such as Melbourne, Fremantle, Collingwood and St Kilda have received in recent years - be changed from next year.

Demetriou said that any new system would not take effect until 2002 and that clubs would ``start from scratch'' next year. In effect, this would probably mean no club will be eligible for concessions in 2002 because they would need another year of poor performances to qualify.

Fremantle, thus, will receive a priority pick unless it wins another six matches this year, with both the Saints and Eagles needing a further four wins (or another three wins and a draw) tomiss out on the draft reward.


If St Kilda fails to win only three games or fewer in the last 11 rounds, it will receive the bounty of a second full year of draft concessions, having earned the first two draft picks (Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke) last year by winning only two games. Fremantle had qualified for a priority pick in 1999 (selections two and four), along with bottom-placed Collingwood.

Kangaroos' chief executive Greg Miller suggested that the new system might give draft assistance to a team that was poor over three years. He said a team such as the Saints would be blessed to receive priority picks two years running. ``We'd be most jealous.''

Carlton, which has not received any concessions since the draft was introduced, would also like the assistance to be averaged.

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Personally I am happy that it appears that WC will finally get some good draft picks and a few of them as well. But I can understand the argument of some clubs concerning clubs that always get these concessions and never improve under them. Is the draft overrated? Will a youngster picked up at #4 be just as good as one picked up at #19? I do think it is unfair however that some clubs first pick will be #7 when usually it would be #4. What does everyone else think?

Vis
 
I think it has to be changed definitely...I mean having 3 teams with the top 6 picks is just ridiculous.

I'm not sure is the eagles have a good list with injuries, I think it's more a case of an average list with injuries and a pathetic coach.

But the average thing is a good idea, maybe if you fail to win 9 games in 2 years or something. 2 years of less than 5 wins is a sure sign your club is in trouble. Every club can have one year where everything goes wrong, ie Brisbane a couple of years ago.

The draft is a bit overrated though. The poor return for number 1 draft picks over the past 15 years shows that. Although recruiting has improved, the players picked are so young it's still hard to tell who will go on to be a superstar. It's different to the NBA or NFL in America where the draft picks have had 4 years, not one, of high quality college level competition to prove themselves.
 
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
I'm not sure is the eagles have a good list with injuries, I think it's more a case of an average list with injuries and a pathetic coach.

Saying our performances are due to injuries is no longer really valid except maybe for McIntosh's absence which has really hurt us. Yes, the WC list at the moment is VERY average, there will be a big cleanout at the end of the year. These draft picks will hopefully help us slowly rise again to the top. BTW, does anyone know how exactly the draft works? How are the picks allocated?

Vis
 
The draft picks are allocated in reverse order to where you finish on the ladder at the end of the season AFTER finals. If you happen to win less than 25% of your games (ie 5 wins or less) you are entitled to a "priority" draft pick. This season, presuming the St. Kilda, Freo and West Coast all failed to win 6 games, the draft order would be as far as I can tell:

1. Freo (assuming they finish last, I still think West Coast will)
2. West Coast
3. St. Kilda
4. Freo
5. West Coast
6. St. Kilda
7-19 the others in reverse order.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.
 

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If the AFL don't have the foresight to see this sort of stupidity, they should be able to call for emergency rule changes midseason.

I reckon that the six best kids in Australia shoud not go to three clubs. St Kilda would end up with four top ten draft picks in two years (20), for being complete crap and not necessarily through a bad list. Prior to the season everyone was telling me about the greatest recruiting regime of all time, but it might take a year for things to gel.

A solution might be to allow the allocation of a concessionary pick, but force the team to trade that lower pick. This would allow for a more equal distribution of youth. Any West Aussies wanting to go home, would see the Vic/Bris/SA club (eg Des Headland) receive an appropriate reward.
 
I thinks the draft concessions are working fine. Just because this year may be a bit different because there are three suffering teams doesn't mean the system is failing, it is just a rare occurrence. A couple of seasons back I thought no one was eligible for the concessions, that would be the opposite extreme.
 
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
The draft picks are allocated in reverse order to where you finish on the ladder at the end of the season AFTER finals. If you happen to win less than 25% of your games (ie 5 wins or less) you are entitled to a "priority" draft pick. This season, presuming the St. Kilda, Freo and West Coast all failed to win 6 games, the draft order would be as far as I can tell:

1. Freo (assuming they finish last, I still think West Coast will)
2. West Coast
3. St. Kilda
4. Freo
5. West Coast
6. St. Kilda
7-19 the others in reverse order.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

How stupid is this? There shouldn't be concessions at all. If you come last, getting first pick in the national draft and pre-season draft is adequate enough.
 
I would scrap the draft completely. IMO every youngster has a right to apply for a job wherever he wants to and the choice of employer (footy club) should be up to him. Trading people like commodities , sending them to interstate clubs and away from family and freinds without any choice from them is barbaric to say the least.
 
Frodo,

I'm not confident that a free market recruiting policy would work in today's AFL. There is always a tendancy for kids to be drawn to success, not always, but it happens as a rule of thumb, hence you would see the kids drawn to Essendon, and run away from Fremantle.
Plus the major factor against open market is the cost factor, yes, we have a salary cap, but we all know the deals that clubs can do for players, such as over payments on property etc. So the kids would be drawn to the richer clubs.
Unfortunately this all sounds very much like a Socialist doctrine way of running footy, however I see no viable alternative to the current system. I agree there are possible "restraint of trade" issues, and yes I agree the upheaval for a young man being taken away from his home can be traumatic, but after all is said and done, the draft has proven to be working pretty well.
Some fine tuning is required, concession selections to be given after an extended period of failure, the father son rule to be made fairer, but overall the system is about as good as it could be.
 
Chris,
Not a socialist doctrine but a communist one. Equality! But what do we know about communism? It doesn't work. Mankind naturally strives for superiority as individuals and groups. And as the pigs stood on two feet and were more equal than others so todays AFL great equalising cap is wrought with fiddles and dishonesty galore. The barbaric draft too is tampered with by pre draft negotiations and ludicrous father and son rules. eg If you live in WA with your father and he played in the AFL you can choose where you play but if your father never played then you get carted off anywhere by the auctioneer at the meat auction.

Yes, scrap the communist approach and without the doubt richer clubs would on the surface benefit and a few clubs would go to the wall in a more natural way instead of being propped up by the 'secretariat' but a more transparent and honest league would result. Being a rich club does not always mean success in a free world. Soccer in every European nation has seen hosts of different champions over the past century. Given the wealth and population of the united kingdom England should be winning every cricket match if money was the key to success.

Or should we pool all the young cricketers in the world every year and draft them off to countries galore. Brett Lee being a priority draft choice for Bangladesh would raise a few eyebrows!
 

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