Draft crop could be the smallest on record

[The_Reaper]

Sorry, but you're heading down a path that doesn't seem to make sense.

The AFL gave West Coast $9.5 million last year. Fremantle for $10.25 million. Brisbane got $11.6m, Sydney $12.5m. West Coast made a 2014 Profit of $4,681,116. Fremantle $215,729. All clubs are dependant on AFL cash - no clubs make more profit than the AFL disbursements. The differences in AFL disbursements account for about 2% of a typical AFL club's revenue. As for the academies, Sydney's "is largely funded by donations and corporate support." Brisbane's, similarly, is supported by Hyundai. Club money undoubtedly goes into them but the majority is provided by outside sources.

BTW the WAFL license fees existed long before your second sides played in it. From what I gather chatting to WA-based supporters, it's largely a cash grab that the WAFL use to prop themselves up. The SAFL isn't any better.

References:
http://www.bigfooty.com/news/2015/03/afl-rich-list-your-clubs-finances-rated/
http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Annual Report/AR2014_10_Financial Report.pdf
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2014-06-26/qbe-sydney-swans-academy-explained
http://hyundaihelpforkids.com.au/our-recipients/item/175-hhk-lions-academy#.VjATNNUrJFE

Nope.

And West Coast get the bare minimum distribution every club gets as part of tv rights

 

[coniglio_number1]

I can imagine the outcry if all teams got the same money from the afl. Given some clubs such as west coast will always make millions in profit even after WAFC payments, it will only make the poor clubs 'feel cheated'.

Can't punish good management

 

[Suma Magic]

The good thing about the late picks having considerable points is that it moves more of the traditional clubs into the top of the draft to pick traditional kids. That way all the treloars, Cameron's, shiels, McCarthys, etc are all left for the traditional clubs and helps the traditional clubs at the bottom to rebuild faster so that we have better traditional clubs to watch.

This excludes the expansion clubs from the cream of WA, SA, VIC etc. also will help boost expansion awareness in expansion areas which will bring more expansion people watching expansion games. That way afl can get expansion dollars from the expansion states.


Everyone wins

If late picks didn't have considerable points academy teams would just keep higher picks to use on academy selections

A system which accurately values all picks (as best as possible) is the system that will provide the highest overall benefit. Systematic inefficiencies come with associated costs and inequities.

 

[swiftdog]

Is less players being drafted really such a bad thing? There's still always a certain amount of players needed on a club's list, so these players are coming from somewhere. Are more players getting second chances at other clubs? Free agency at work? I don't mind that in conjunction clubs seemingly increased interest in state leagues. I'd rather clubs give another player a second chance that's shown something at AFL level rather than a speculative pick in the 70's or 80's that will, in all likelihood, not show anything, seems like smart list management.

 

[Falchoon]

The current all time low is 63 just 2 years ago. It's a bit of a worry.

It could be various factors; a) Other sports are nabbing some of the best young athletes, b) the talent isn't there, c) the clubs are getting pickier with respect to athletic benchmarks for potentail draftees, d) improvements in rehab/recovery leading to senior players delaying retirement, e) the need for GC/GWS to reduce their lists means there's more potential for trades rather than taking a newbie. This last factor is obviously only a temporary one

Whatever the case if this becomes a trend then before too long the competition is so going to reach a critical mass regarding the age profile of lists. More 30-somethings running around.

&/or more mature agent recruits, which is not a bad thing.

 

[doona]

Is less players being drafted really such a bad thing?

I don't think so. Each team has to make minimum 3 selections including rookie upgrades.

I think DFA has increased the amount of delisted players changing clubs, and the increased player movement.

In addition, clubs are starting to increasingly use their rookie list smarter. Also there have been added rules for being able to upgrade rookies during the year.

I think it's more an evolution of list management, where a lot of the undrafted players, have to prove themselves at VFL/WAFL/.... Level to be drafted as a mature age. (where as 10 years ago it was taboo to draft mature age players).

Clubs are more reluctant to draft players, that are not up to a certain level come draft day.

 

[Davo-27]

the WA crop of youngsters is really low this year(could be as low as 5 picked), i also feel the Vic Metro group isnt as strong as previous years, but that is offset by the larger than average Vic Country youngsters, theres about 5 NSW and 5 QLD youngsters that might get drafted, basically WA has half the talent they usually produce, whereas the northern states are producing double the talent they usually do.....

 

[Cleric]

Good thing the academy is around otherwise all the northern states will be taking from the clearly very small pool from wa,sa, Vic

Your Academy is pretty much traditional AFL territory. The talent would be there regardless of GWS.

 

[Davo-27]

Your Academy is pretty much traditional AFL territory. The talent would be there regardless of GWS.

exactly, half of the Murray Bushrangers in the TAC CUP are feeding GWS for free, talk about getting a leg up, Murray Bushrangers are a good club and GWS gets access to about half thier list for nothing as wel as all the youngsters that come from the around the ACT area which has been happening for the last 100 years

 

[Davo-27]

Your Academy is pretty much traditional AFL territory. The talent would be there regardless of GWS.

btw check here http://www.foxsportspulse.com/club_info.cgi?c=1-3020-111726-0-0&sID=326390 for your "ACADEMY" kids, what a f$%^&ing joke tbh

 

[coniglio_number1]

Your Academy is pretty much traditional AFL territory. The talent would be there regardless of GWS.

So salty. We were given the area so damn right we are gonna take full advantage of it. Only need to ask people from the area how much work we are putting into its development

 

[Cleric]

btw check here http://www.foxsportspulse.com/club_info.cgi?c=1-3020-111726-0-0&sID=326390 for your "ACADEMY" kids, what a f$%^&ing joke tbh

Didnt see players from the "Mt Druit Methheads", or the "Parramatta Pimps" or even the "Penrith Gangsters" in that team...

 

[Cleric]

So salty. We were given the area so damn right we are gonna take full advantage of it. Only need to ask people from the area how much work we are putting into its development

You wont have it for too much longer.

 

[coniglio_number1]

You wont have it for too much longer.

Are you going to pen a letter to Gil?

 

[Cleric]

Are you going to pen a letter to Gil?

Im pretty sure the presidents and CEOs of every Victorian club has already done that. Their first desire was to see you pay a fair price for the players, now they want your academy to be in an area that needs development, like it should be.

 

[dlanod]

Your Academy is pretty much traditional AFL territory. The talent would be there regardless of GWS.

exactly, half of the Murray Bushrangers in the TAC CUP are feeding GWS for free, talk about getting a leg up, Murray Bushrangers are a good club and GWS gets access to about half thier list for nothing as wel as all the youngsters that come from the around the ACT area which has been happening for the last 100 years

So why wasn't this area a talent pipeline over the last decade? Looking at National Draft for the last ten years the only player I could find to be drafted out of the NSW side of the Bushrangers is Duryea. What a leg up that is - I know I'd love to have a setup that gets me a player of Duryea's quality once every ten years.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Im pretty sure the presidents and CEOs of every Victorian club has already done that. Their first desire was to see you pay a fair price for the players, now they want your academy to be in an area that needs development, like it should be.

NSW is a development market. Lat I checked all these towns are in NSW. I wouldn't call producing 1-2 players every 5 years before the academy came around as a developed area. Embarrassing for 'heartland' is that was the case

 

[Cleric]

NSW is a development market. Lat I checked all these towns are in NSW. I wouldn't call producing 1-2 players every 5 years before the academy came around as a developed area. Embarrassing for 'heartland' is that was the case

The Riverina is not in need of developing. How about you start pushing talent ID and development in the greater western Sydney area? Where nothing comes out of? Where there are millions of people? Because its too much hard work, and the academys were never about that, it was about getting cheap talent.

 

[coniglio_number1]

The Riverina is not in need of developing. How about you start pushing talent ID and development in the greater western Sydney area? Where nothing comes out of? Where there are millions of people? Because its too much hard work, and the academys were never about that, it was about getting cheap talent.

You do realise that we have hundreds of kids in the academy from all over our zone. You don't draft someone if they aren't up to it just because a guy from bigfooty says we should

 

[Davo-27]

NSW is a development market. Lat I checked all these towns are in NSW. I wouldn't call producing 1-2 players every 5 years before the academy came around as a developed area. Embarrassing for 'heartland' is that was the case

a heartland a 10th of the size or less of SA in population, it seems about right that 1-2 every 5 years a player comes out of that region, like the poster above stated, you should try developing Sydney kids(where the population is more likely to net you more talent than already developed areas like the riverina), then you'll be earning your academy players

 

[coniglio_number1]

The fact that since the academy there has been a spike in players drafted from the region, same with act.

The Sydney kids will come in time. Afl is playing the long game with NSW and rightly so

 

[dlanod]

The Riverina is not in need of developing.

Really?

So why wasn't this area a talent pipeline over the last decade? Looking at National Draft for the last ten years the only player I could find to be drafted out of the NSW side of the Bushrangers is Duryea. What a leg up that is - I know I'd love to have a setup that gets me a player of Duryea's quality once every ten years.

As for the rest...

How about you start pushing talent ID and development in the greater western Sydney area? Where nothing comes out of? Where there are millions of people? Because its too much hard work, and the academys were never about that, it was about getting cheap talent.

There absolutely is development going on there. You're just showing you have no idea of what's actually happening. It's cheaper to do talent identification and development in Western Sydney - less travel costs, less support required, a lot easier to bring kids into the club, etc - but that talent isn't to a draftable standard yet and because it's coming off such a low base it may be five or ten years before we see dividends.

 

[Davo-27]

So why wasn't this area a talent pipeline over the last decade? Looking at National Draft for the last ten years the only player I could find to be drafted out of the NSW side of the Bushrangers is Duryea. What a leg up that is - I know I'd love to have a setup that gets me a player of Duryea's quality once every ten years.

oh you must have forgot the last 10 years prior to the academy being in place we have clubs being able to rookie NSW scholarship kids, thats where the Hawks got Breust and Langford from... and im sure other clubs got NSW talent on scholarships also, effecting the draft obviously seeing as it was direct rookies to each club via scholarships, or did you forget?

 

[dlanod]

oh you must have forgot the last 10 years prior to the academy being in place we have clubs being able to rookie NSW scholarship kids, thats where the Hawks got Breust and Langford from... and im sure other clubs got NSW talent on scholarships also, effecting the draft obviously seeing as it was direct rookies to each club via scholarships, or did you forget?

Oh, you must not be aware... NSW scholarship kids weren't able to be taken from the Riverina. Breust was not a NSW scholarship player. Langford was from Sydney. Sigh. If you're trying to be patronizing try to know what you're talking about.

 

[Davo-27]

Oh, you must not be aware... NSW scholarship kids weren't able to be taken from the Riverina. Breust was not a NSW scholarship player. Langford was from Sydney. Sigh. If you're trying to be patronizing try to know what you're talking about.

classic misdirect, you took a mistake about Breust to not answer the original question, so i guess i can take that as you concede there were NSW Scholarships so during this time less NSW kids were picked in drafts seeing as they were already tied to clubs, ok thank-you.....