Draft Day

[benrey_demons]

if morton is gone at pick 2 things will go 2 ways

WCE will take trent cotchin

or WCE take masten

why are we talking about palmer instead of masten? palmer has OP, he is fairly similar to what we have

masten is a bit classier i believe, is an endurance athlete in the ben cousins mould

would rathe masten to compliment our midfield a bit better


and if west coast take the local boy masten, then we have an exciting future coming up!!! meeson down to mclean, handpasses to jones, handpasses to cotchin, and puts it down newtons throat!!!

 

[Bartram_Class]

Pfft...I'd prefer...

Meesen down to Newton, Newton dummys one, beats another, hands off the next, spins the 4th, runs to the goalsquare, props and returns to the centre square for another lap.

 

[Bombers1234]

if morton is gone at pick 2 things will go 2 ways

WCE will take trent cotchin

or WCE take masten

why are we talking about palmer instead of masten? palmer has OP, he is fairly similar to what we have

masten is a bit classier i believe, is an endurance athlete in the ben cousins mould

would rathe masten to compliment our midfield a bit better


and if west coast take the local boy masten, then we have an exciting future coming up!!! meeson down to mclean, handpasses to jones, handpasses to cotchin, and puts it down newtons throat!!!

I'm preety sure its masten that has OP

 

[Deenamite]

if morton is gone at pick 2 things will go 2 ways

WCE will take trent cotchin

or WCE take masten

why are we talking about palmer instead of masten? palmer has OP, he is fairly similar to what we have

masten is a bit classier i believe, is an endurance athlete in the ben cousins mould

would rathe masten to compliment our midfield a bit better


and if west coast take the local boy masten, then we have an exciting future coming up!!! meeson down to mclean, handpasses to jones, handpasses to cotchin, and puts it down newtons throat!!!

Masten is more a Daniel Harris and who de we have thats similar to Palmer? A speedy, fit, explosive mid. I say yes.

 

[Tommyneu]

Masten is more a Daniel Harris and who de we have thats similar to Palmer? A speedy, fit, explosive mid. I say yes.

For one i'll be angry if we take Palmer. He reminds me of Gary Moorcroft who I hated with a passion. His skills are shite and he has no penetration on his kick. Morton or Myers at 4 would make my day.

 

[DemonErrol1964 - dees]

Let's not get to exited about Meesen just yet. Yup he's ours but let his footy on the ground do the talkin. We are a opimistic lot.

 

[FOOOOTY]

I cannot see anyway Cotchin will slip to 4. Carl and Rich both see him in the top 2 and WC prob rate him as their no1 choice.

 

[Merv]

why are we talking about palmer instead of masten? palmer has OP, he is fairly similar to what we have

masten is a bit classier i believe, is an endurance athlete in the ben cousins mould

would rathe masten to compliment our midfield a bit better

Masten has the OP and also he is the one similar to the players you already have, i think you are mixing them up.

Both have elite endurance

For one i'll be angry if we take Palmer. He reminds me of Gary Moorcroft who I hated with a passion. His skills are shite and he has no penetration on his kick. Morton or Myers at 4 would make my day.

I think you have not seen much of Palmer as his skills are not shite at all, he can kick 50 mtrs easily already.
His skills are not as good as Morton or Myers but not many of the kids skills are.

I think Morton and Myers would suit your team nicely also, but so would Palmer.

 

[FOOOOTY]

Pfft...I'd prefer...

Meesen down to Newton, Newton dummys one, beats another, hands off the next, spins the 4th, runs to the goalsquare, props and returns to the centre square for another lap.

Are you crazy?!?! As if Meesen would get near the Ruck contest with Juice about.

 

[Marns]

Jack Grimes is a name I have heard CC to be interested in. So interested, in fact, that he is even considering taking him with our top pick. Can't reveal my source, as he wants to stay anonymous, and can't guarantee anything, but don't be too shocked if we pull a rabbit out of the hat on Saturday.

 

[davey_magik]

Jack Grimes is a name I have heard CC to be interested in. So interested, in fact, that he is even considering taking him with our top pick. Can't reveal my source, as he wants to stay anonymous, and can't guarantee anything, but don't be too shocked if we pull a rabbit out of the hat on Saturday.

What position and what type of player is he?

 

[FOOOOTY]

Hmmm, i trust CC.

Any info on Grimes?

 

[FOOOOTY]

Medium sized defender??

with pick 4?

After getting Frawley last year?

Think id prefer to add some midfield class.

 

[SS_Fury]

Masten has OP...masten is the classic rover- it is widely noted that palmer was fed very well by masten at the championships...palmer is an exciting, flashy player but not so much in and under.
In likelyhood, you would prob draft cale morton at #4...WC wont take him we have commited to masten should cotchin go as we expect. If cotchin is there at pick 3 we wont hesitate.

 

[Tommyneu]

I think you have not seen much of Palmer as his skills are not shite at all, he can kick 50 mtrs easily already.
His skills are not as good as Morton or Myers but not many of the kids skills are.

I think Morton and Myers would suit your team nicely also, but so would Palmer.

Actually I have seen a lot of him. His national's bumped him up the pecking order a bit but before that he wasn't even in consideration for top 7. IF you watched any of his W.A games, especially the one against Vic Metro you would see that he struggled to make the distance for goal at around 45m out, below half goal post height. His skills are average too, not once did I see him hit a target lace out, but at their shoelaces and a metre too high. Masten was getting in there and getting it out to him, watch his goals against Vic Metro, around 90% of them were assisted by Masten, the kid can't get his own ball.

 

[boms]

Jack Grimes is a name I have heard CC to be interested in. So interested, in fact, that he is even considering taking him with our top pick. Can't reveal my source, as he wants to stay anonymous, and can't guarantee anything, but don't be too shocked if we pull a rabbit out of the hat on Saturday.

With pick 4? No way. Pick 14 though sounds about right.

 

[Merv]

Actually I have seen a lot of him. His national's bumped him up the pecking order a bit but before that he wasn't even in consideration for top 7. IF you watched any of his W.A games, especially the one against Vic Metro you would see that he struggled to make the distance for goal at around 45m out, below half goal post height. His skills are average too, not once did I see him hit a target lace out, but at their shoelaces and a metre too high. Masten was getting in there and getting it out to him, watch his goals against Vic Metro, around 90% of them were assisted by Masten, the kid can't get his own ball.

Seems you have changed your mind a hell of a lot

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391019

Tommyneu's Phantom Draft 2007.
Pick 7 > Fremantle - Rhys Palmer - 180cm 76kg - East Fremantle (Mid)

Fremantle desperately need to inject some pacey youth into their midfield. Palmer's nationals were exceptional, and with lack of pace in the midfield the Dockers won't pass up the oppurtunity to grab this excitement machine. They should go local with this pick and Palmer won't disappoint, his aerobic capacity is huge and his finishing skills elite.

Not only have i seen all his champ games i have also seen him in about 4 WAFL games.

He can kick goals on the run from 50 metres out.

While his skills are not in the Morton or Myers class, they certainly are better than Mastens and are quite good.

If you don't think a kid that wasn't considered last year, who then all of a sudden grows up, works his ass off, has elite endurance and absolutely stars in the Champs and plays regular top football in the WAFL against men is a top prospect, then.......

If you didn't see Palmer hit any targets, you should go back and watch the games again but maybe you missed them as the ball was sailing through the goals game after game.....

No doubt Masten fed him the ball as that was his job and that's how they play, because no point Palmer giving the ball to Masten as he won't be as damaging as Palmer is.

If you don't think that Palmer can win his own ball then you have not seen very much of him at all.

Either way, we don't pick our clubs players and of course as always time will tell.

 

[Tommyneu]

Seems you have changed your mind a hell of a lot

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391019



Not only have i seen all his champ games i have also seen him in about 4 WAFL games.

He can kick goals on the run from 50 metres out.

While his skills are not in the Morton or Myers class, they certainly are better than Mastens and are quite good.

If you don't think a kid that wasn't considered last year, who then all of a sudden grows up, works his ass off, has elite endurance and absolutely stars in the Champs and plays regular top football in the WAFL against men is a top prospect, then.......

If you didn't see Palmer hit any targets, you should go back and watch the games again but maybe you missed them as the ball was sailing through the goals game after game.....

No doubt Masten fed him the ball as that was his job and that's how they play, because no point Palmer giving the ball to Masten as he won't be as damaging as Palmer is.

If you don't think that Palmer can win his own ball then you have not seen very much of him at all.

Either way, we don't pick our clubs players and of course as always time will tell.

Mate, in referring to my phantom you've still got nothing. I stated that before his champs, he wasn't considered to be TOP 7, I didn't say he wasn't considered as a potential draftee did I? After his nationals you can see that I've placed him at 7, as he's worthy of top 10 yet not worthy of top 5. His finishing skills are elite, finishing being kicking goals that more often then not other's feed him. That doesn't contradict with my statement that he has no penetration on his kick on that he doesn't hit targets. He's a good player but I personally don't rate him top 5. It's great having an opinion isn't it?

 

[Merv]

Mate, in referring to my phantom you've still got nothing. I stated that before his champs, he wasn't considered to be TOP 7, I didn't say he wasn't considered as a potential draftee did I? After his nationals you can see that I've placed him at 7, as he's worthy of top 10 yet not worthy of top 5. His finishing skills are elite, finishing being kicking goals that more often then not other's feed him. That doesn't contradict with my statement that he has no penetration on his kick on that he doesn't hit targets. He's a good player but I personally don't rate him top 5. It's great having an opinion isn't it?

I don't want to make this into a big argument, so this will be my last post on it.

I have seen him playing in the WAFL kicking goals on the run from 50 mtrs.
Therefore i know he can do it.

If he couldn't why would you label his finishing skills elite?

Would you call someone that can only kick goals from 40-45mtrs as having elite finishing skills?....didn't think so

The argument wasn't what position he would go it was that he couldn't kick golas from 50 and, to quote you "his skills are average too"

Anyway i know what he can do as i've seen it several times and yes of course you can have an opinion, as i can also, but there are also facts that can't be argued with.

 

[Deenamite]

They both play the roles the team requires and that they're best at. Its just what the club thinks they need more.

 

[stickman11]

I like Palmer - he is the kind of player who stands up in big games.

 

[CaptainDavey]

I was reading on the Hun website for footy and there was a Demon logo attached to an article talking about Cyril Rioli. I'm not entirely sure if that meant anything, but usually if there is a club relevance to a story they put the logo next to it. Ah anywho, maybe a stuff up. I guess he's not really what we need anyways.

I say go for Morton. Either way, we've got a great selection

 

[FOOOOTY]

I was reading on the Hun website for footy and there was a Demon logo attached to an article talking about Cyril Rioli. I'm not entirely sure if that meant anything, but usually if there is a club relevance to a story they put the logo next to it. Ah anywho, maybe a stuff up. I guess he's not really what we need anyways.

I say go for Morton. Either way, we've got a great selection

Yeah that was definately a stuff up.

The actual headline in the paper read "Rioli prefers Melbourne club" meaning any Melbourne based side.

Some idiot converting it on the website took that to mean the Dees.

 

[Manginable Claw]

I jsut saw on the AFL web site Matt Burgon has done his own phantom draft and noticed he has said that we would look at picking up Patrick Dangerfield at pick 14 and Harry Taylor at 21. Does anyone know what sort of players or seen these two blokes play at all?

 

[woe31]

Here are all our touted picks from Burgan's PD:

4 – MELBOURNE – CALE MORTON
Claremont, WA, Tall midfielder/forward, January 18 1990, 191.5cm, 78.7kg
Melbourne won't believe its luck that a player some recruiting managers regard as the best in the draft will slip through to No.4. But that's the way the cards are falling, with Richmond certain to take Trent Cotchin and West Coast likely to pounce on Chris Masten ahead of Morton. Under this scenario, Melbourne will gladly snap up Morton, the youngest brother of Mitch (Richmond) and Jarryd (Hawthorn). The only other player who is a chance for Melbourne at No.4 is East Fremantle's Rhys Palmer.
Bio: A genuine utility, capable of playing onball, off a flank or as a key position forward. Noted for his ability to read the play and strong work rate. He was exceptional for Western Australia during the 2007 NAB AFL U18 Championships, averaging 25 possessions and nine marks per game, earning All-Australian honours and the Larke Medal. Recorded a 15.1 beep test result at the 2007 NAB AFL Draft Camp. From Hale FC.

14 – MELBOURNE – PATRICK DANGERFIELD
Geelong Falcons, VIC, Medium midfielder, April 5 1990, 186.9cm, 82.8kg
Melbourne will be closely monitoring the whereabouts of Jack Grimes, Lachlan Henderson and Ben McEvoy, although the trio looks set to be claimed before No.14. It will seriously consider Patrick Veszpremi here, but with Dangerfield now likely to be overlooked by Adelaide at No.10, expect Melbourne to pounce. Tony Notte may also be strongly considered, as he is unlikely to last until Melbourne's next pick at No.21. Dangerfield has come right into the top bracket and will not get past Geelong (No.17).
Bio: A dashing medium midfielder or defender who shows distinct ability to win the contested ball. He is a graduate of the AIS-AFL Academy. Ranked in the top three for both the 30m repeat sprints (23.96sec) and the vertical leap (73cm) at the 2007 NAB AFL Draft Camp and was also a top 10 ranked performer in the 20m sprint (2.92sec). From Anglesea FC.

21 – MELBOURNE – HARRY TAYLOR
East Fremantle, WA, Tall forward/defender, June 12 1986, 193cm, 90.8kg
Widely regarded as the best player from this year's state screenings, Taylor has met with at least nine AFL clubs and is strongly being pursued by several – including Melbourne at No.21. Expect the club to select him here, as Essendon (No.23), Fremantle (No.24) and Sydney (No.26) are also very keen. Collingwood has also shown interest, but it's highly unlikely Taylor will last until its first pick at No.31. If available, Tony Notte, Patrick Veszpremi, Callan Ward and Addam Maric are others Melbourne will consider here.
Bio: Versatile player who has appeared in a variety of positions at senior level with East Fremantle in the WAFL competition. High-possession winner who has a great work ethic. Excellent speed (2.91sec for 20m) and endurance (14.2 Beep Test).

53 – MELBOURNE – JAMES POLKINGHORNE
Calder Cannons, VIC, Medium midfielder, January 21 1989, 182.7cm, 81kg
Having had three selections at No.4, No.14 and No.21, Melbourne will be eagerly waiting to see who falls through to its next pick at No.52. One player who could be a realistic chance of slipping through is Polkinghorne, who is in the club's batch of players for this selection. Hawthorn will consider the nephew of former Hawk David Polkinghorne if it opts not to select Stuart Dew. The Brisbane Lions and West Coast (although unlikely at No.20 or No.22), are the other clubs linked with Polkinghorne.
Bio: High possession winner who excels at the stoppages. Athletic player who represented Vic Metro at NAB AFL U18 Championships and has debuted with Coburg in the VFL. Runner-up in the Calder Cannons Best and Fairest award for 2007.

66 – MELBOURNE – KYLE CHENEY
North Ballarat Rebels, VIC, Medium defender, August 25 1989, 184.6cm, 86.2kg
Cheney looms as a fascinating player in this draft. There has been some speculation he could be taken as early as No.33 by Port Adelaide and he has also been linked with West Coast, but the Eagles are out of the meeting by pick No.22. Melbourne looms as Cheney's most likely destination with one of its later choices. It may opt to select him at No.53, but otherwise it should be able to claim him here. Cheney is rated by some recruiters as one of the top prospects to have come through the state-based screenings this year.
Bio: Skilful medium defender who had an injury-interrupted start to the 2007 season before finishing off the year in great fashion.

73 – MELBOURNE – ASHLEY SAMPI
West Coast, WA, Small forward, January 21 1984, 178cm, 87kg
It is understood Melbourne may make a decision on what it does with this pick on the day, with everything depending on how the cards fall earlier. There is some chance it might pass on this selection and hold it over for the December pre-season draft. However, Sampi is already training with the club and is right in the mix for the red and blue. Melbourne may also consider Clayton Hinkley, if available, Austin Wonaeamirri, Charlie McAdam, Stefan Martin, James Mulligan and Joshua Smith with one of its later picks.
Bio: Exciting crumbing forward Sampi missed the entire 2007 season due to personal reasons. He played 78 matches and kicked 97 goals for West Coast from 2002-06. He was a NAB AFL Rising Star nominee in 2001.

Any thoughts on those kids from those that have seen them?