List Mgmt. Draft Discussion 2016

[Fyfe2Shenton]

Probably because its a pretty average draft year

I don't see any potential stars in this crop (except maybe Brodie and SPS), but plenty of 200 gamers.

 

[gringo2011]

According to Landsburger in today's paper, Geelong (who have the pick after us at 24) interviewed Florent yesterday, so if that's true, it's a fair sign that he's a serious chance to get through to the 20's.

Tested extremely well at the combine, posting a 15.1 beep, a really good agility score and a 3.02sec 20m sprint.

What Brett Anderson had to say about him:

16. Oliver FLORENT
Ht: 182.0cm | Wt: 74.4kg | Outside Midfielder | Sandringham Dragons

Until the All-Star game, Florent threatened to tear games apart at all levels – nationals, TAC Cup, AGS school footy – but never really did. In the All-Star game, it all came together. He can play both inside and out, he breaks tackles, and has good footy smarts. At times he can appear to be a lazy kick, as he lets go of the ball loosely in his ball drop, but its not something that can’t be cleaned up easily. His father passed away in September after a long cancer battle, so his performances for the past few years have come under personal duress, which makes his development all the more impressive.

Strengths: smarts, breaking tackles, agility, resilience.

Needs to improve: contested ball, kicking (ball drop).

Injuries: None.

Combine test results: Repeat Sprint – 26.06. 20m Sprint – 3.02. Agility – 8.26.Beep Test – 15.1. 3km TT – 10:45.

Draft range: 11-23.

What they say: “There’s a lot of upside physically when he gets into a full-time program. If you have a look at some of early games his effectiveness and ability to hit the scoreboard and be involved in scoring chains was outstanding. That is where he is even more exciting.” – Sandringham Dragons talent manager Ryan O’Connor.

Emma Quayle's write-up:

Oliver Florent (Sandringham Dragons/Beaumaris/Mentone GS)

Born: 22.7.1998

Height: 183cm

Weight: 74kg

AFL bio: Very competitive smooth-moving medium midfielder with line-breaking speed. A talented junior tennis player, he's now focusing on AFL. Impressed for Vic Metro, averaging 12 disposals in the NAB AFL under-18 championships.

"Ollie lost his father this year and I can't heap enough praise on him and his family for how they've handled the year. I wish they could have given out two best on ground medals on grand final day because he must have come very, very close. He has some elite attributes and I think he's a very exciting prospect moving full-time into an AFL environment and having some time to recover and move past the stresses of this year. He's very athletic and wonderfully agile. I think he'll have a good pace-endurance mix and will only get stronger. We probably didn't help him with his possession count at times because we wanted to use his run in the forward line and on the outside, but I thought he showed in the grand final that he can be a very good inside mid. Give him a couple of years and the gym and he'll only improve."

Ryan O'Connor, Sandringham talent manager

there seems a bit of a general consensus that there are a very even bunch between about pick 8 and 30 this draft and I can see some going early and later than expected so we could definitely get something good with our first 2 picks, we might just get a few surprises though.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't see any potential stars in this crop (except maybe Brodie and SPS), but plenty of 200 gamers.

Yeah that's my vibe, lots of even high level but not huge on the superstar quality players.

 

[Impatient Saint]

Probably because its a pretty average draft year

Quite the contrary I think this years depth is greater than its ever been and will prove so over time!

 

[Diehard Saint]

Probably because its a pretty average draft year

As this discussion goes on it's becoming more and more apparent, to me at any rate, that due to the depth of this draft, trading out our #10 will prove to be a master stroke. We'll still pick up two very good players and next year we'll be in the pound seats.

 

[Mighty_sainter]

there seems a bit of a general consensus that there are a very even bunch between about pick 8 and 30 this draft and I can see some going early and later than expected so we could definitely get something good with our first 2 picks, we might just get a few surprises though.

Really want drew at 36. Looks like a pure footballer. 188cm could be a better version of Seb ross

 

[aussierulesrules]

As this discussion goes on and we get ever closer to the draft it's becoming more and more apparent, to me at any rate, that due to the depth of this draft, trading out our #10 in this year's draft will prove to be a master stroke.

If we get Florent it will be freaking extraordinary I reckon! Get him at 23 and I'll just about consider Hawthorn's 2017 first and pick 36 to be "freebies".

 

[bird_man]

Probably because its a pretty average draft year

I think it's a pretty good draft year to be honest.

 

[StCicatriz]

You really have to see Florent live to appreciate him,
I've seen him play about 5-7 times this season
Whilst he wont really stand out athleticlly bar his enudrance he is incredibly smart, creative plays on instinct and has a certain x factor that makes you think e could break a game open.
he just seems to play the game at a different level to others.
I find that he never ever loses one on ones even if he does he will always find a way to lay the tackle s intercept cause a tunrover or something.
he seems like a cross between gresh and harley balic
Very very difficult to tackle and always making osmething happan.
whilst he struggled for consistancy early on and throughout the chance
he showed mements of brilliance and also later on that he could put it all together
He will be a star

from those who havent seen him, like myself, this is incredibly good to hear!! thanks for the insight man!

 

[StCicatriz]

Probably because its a pretty average draft year

i think it depends how you look at it. if i was a club in the bottom 4, i would be livid with this year. the potency just isnt there IMO like there has been in previous years

likewise if you were desperate for a tall its pretty meh as well

having said that the strength in this years draft is its depth. it runs very deep. this is the best draft i can remember for a team that finished in the top 4. i'd say the top 5 in this draft is just ahead of the next 10-15, from there its even for the next 10 picks and from there it still bats deep for another 20 picks.

 

[Mighty_sainter]

Just had a geeze at wce board seems like they are crying out for spp. They want him desperately they think he's exactly what they need. If they reach for him at 12 surely sliders are coming our way. Will spew up if we end up with c.cox tho

 

[Highlander35]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-20/indicative-2016-afl-draft-order

61 already got bumped to 60. Woo!

 

[Ekomaira]

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-20/indicative-2016-afl-draft-order

61 already got bumped to 60. Woo!

I didn't realise that 23 was originally the Chris Mayne compensation. turns out he did us a solid after all
I always thought he was a handsome young man

 

[Rors]

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I didn't realise that 23 was originally the Chris Mayne compensation. turns out he did us a solid after all
I always thought he was a handsome young man

Yes. God bless Collingwood paying that spud $500k for 3

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Just had a geeze at wce board seems like they are crying out for spp. They want him desperately they think he's exactly what they need. If they reach for him at 12 surely sliders are coming our way. Will spew up if we end up with c.cox tho

Will be rapt if anybody takes him before our pick, just to make sure.
Surely we need to improve the skill level of our team, not make it worse.
He's so much Nathan Wright...hard, quick, brave...with awful skills and decision making.
Surely if we are picking mids we prioritize skill. We need more class through middle desperately.
I have a feeling we will pick someone at 23 that may surprise a few supporters.

 

[Mighty_sainter]

Will be rapt if anybody takes him before our pick, just to make sure.
Surely we need to improve the skill level of our team, not make it worse.
He's so much Nathan Wright...hard, quick, brave...with awful skills and decision making.
Surely if we are picking mids we prioritize skill. We need more class through middle desperately.
I have a feeling we will pick someone at 23 that may surprise a few supporters.

He's got wright traits but I'd say he's more dusty Martin with a will to win. But I agree with you on all fronts, but his kicking isn't actually that bad (has improved out of sight) it's more his decision making, put him on a forward flank like dusty plays and his 15 disposals a game will be much more impactful then wright. Spp is a gun and will be rapt to have him at pick 23, obviously there is players I'd rather have a head of him but for a pick 23 I'd be over the moon if we got him.

 

[Ekomaira]

Yes. God bless Collingwood paying that spud $500k for 3

good old Collingwood forever if 23 turns out to be a gun

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

He's got wright traits but I'd say he's more dusty Martin with a will to win. But I agree with you on all fronts, but his kicking isn't actually that bad (has improved out of sight) it's more his decision making, put him on a forward flank like dusty plays and his 15 disposals a game will be much more impactful then wright. Spp is a gun and will be rapt to have him at pick 23, obviously there is players I'd rather have a head of him but for a pick 23 I'd be over the moon if we got him.

I'm probably being a touch harsh on him, it's just that I'm so sick of some of our players turning the footy over and then being burnt on the turnover. It's a real issue for us at the moment.

 

[JG22]

Probably because its a pretty average draft year

Not so sure
Just a few uncertain clubs at the top, academy bidding and the go home factor affecting it

 

[Mighty_sainter]

I'm probably being a touch harsh on him, it's just that I'm so sick of some of our players turning the footy over and then being burnt on the turnover. It's a real issue for us at the moment.

Bloody oath mate.. Gilbert and geary make me tear my hair out. mind you my view on geary slowed changed throughout the year. Think our disposal is slowly cleaning up tho.

 

[gringo2011]

Will be rapt if anybody takes him before our pick, just to make sure.
Surely we need to improve the skill level of our team, not make it worse.
He's so much Nathan Wright...hard, quick, brave...with awful skills and decision making.
Surely if we are picking mids we prioritize skill. We need more class through middle desperately.
I have a feeling we will pick someone at 23 that may surprise a few supporters.

I'm pretty sure this whole draft will have plenty of that as teams take players others don't rate as highly. I can see a few sliders and bolters shocking fans.

 

[JG22]

Another phantom with McGrath at one. Will be very interested to see Twomeys on Wednesday, probably the most high profile of the phantoms.

Still can't believe Dons won't take McCluggage albeit McGrath a jet.

 

[Melksham2Siposs]

Really want drew at 36. Looks like a pure footballer. 188cm could be a better version of Seb ross

He is one that looks like his game would translate to clean modern day footy. He could mostly just focus on building his body and fitness, as it seems he can naturally deal with quick decisions under pressure, while bringing players into the game and countering the opposition playing tight with creative handballs.

Seb Ross will only get better with each year, and is becoming quite deadly by foot. Will be a well known star at 25 years of age.

I'd go early on Drew if there is no stand out slider. If he comes on, Acres & him could throw a wicked one-two-punch down the track.

 

[JG22]

Decent little read on our draft situation.

 

[Hayes4PM]

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