List Mgmt. Draft Discussion 2016

[Ads734]

If Battle is in fact 194cm now that would make me a lot more OK with us using our first on him, but I still wouldn't necessarily be thrilled with the idea of spending our first pick on someone who we'd be hoping we don't have to play for 8 years.

Interesting to note that he still has to complete year 12 next year so I think he's like to stay in Melbourne and st kilda is probably the most convenient in terms of school at haileybury not that that it will matter in the end

 

[ChrisRyanSaints]

Bolton obviously would be fantastic but he'll be gone by 2019 playing for freo or eagles and we'll be left holding the bill.
Aneets and co will choose the riht players. Im pumped cause it looks likely we will have a choice of SPP CCox and Bolton. Although Bolton still there theres issues.

 

[AFLOnline]

Bolton obviously would be fantastic but he'll be gone by 2019 playing for freo or eagles and we'll be left holding the bill.
Aneets and co will choose the riht players. Im pumped cause it looks likely we will have a choice of SPP CCox and Bolton. Although Bolton still there theres issues.

I tend to find myself disagreeing with a lot of your posts.

 

[Rors]

Love a speedy little bloke that's not afraid to get in amongst it at a stoppage & wrench the ball free for a breakaway sprint & a few bounces

Definitely on the 'WANT' list

 

[Mav2Membrey]

The closer it gets to the draft the tougher it becomes to see who will land where.

Don't be surprised if we manage to grab a major slider I reckon.

 

[Kildonan]

Please please Sam Pepper midfield bull

Give me Pepper-Salt!!

Yep.

I'm officially on the Florent/SPP/C.Cox bandwagon @ 23

Toot toot!

Yeah I love the Condiment.

Twomey got us taking SPP.
Seemingly red hot on him

So Cal Twomey has all of SPP, Cox and Bolton available at our pick... Who would we pick?

He has us taking SPP

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-23/callum-twomeys-2016-phantom-draft

Spp best chance of making it imo, made of the right stuff

Yeah, it would be a really interesting discussion.

SPP I definitely see as the safest bet, being probably the most mature and with strong leadership skills and so-on and with his more contested game being pretty certain to translate to senior AFL footy. Think he's the least likely to be a "bust" or to want to leave and has possibly as much upside as the other two as well.

According to someone from the West Coast board- who seems very knowledgeable on the WA prospects every year (Royal Eagle)- he's been training at West Coast all year and working closely with their development coaching staff, which may explain why his kicking seems to have improved so much from last year. Is also a good sign that it could continue to improve. He also described him as extremely loyal (and as such unlikely to leave a club once he arrives there) and future captaincy material.

The other two obviously bring some very desirable things to the table as well though, so I'd be very excited if we got any of them.

All the attributes you want, & would compliment so many on our existing list..
I've penciled him in @ 23 if available..

I'd be surprised if SPP is there at 23. Rapt, but surprised.

absolutely spot on. SPP oozes leadership

I love SPP's energy and attack on the ball but his disposal skills are atrocious - I hope we choose someone else

 

[holllywood]

The clip at the 1.50 minute mark where he wins a 2 on 1 contest through sheer desperation and want reminds me of the Newnes article on the Saints website about how one act of desperation by Newnes stood out for Trout back in 2011.

Tin foil hat moment.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I love SPP's energy and attack on the ball but his disposal skills are atrocious - I hope we choose someone else

I think "atrocious" is taking things a bit far, especially since those who have seen a lot of him this year reckon they're greatly improved.

I'm not sure Berry's kicking is any better (it has likewise improved this year) and yet you said this about him not too long ago:

If Berry is available at our first pick - it's a no brainer - we have to take him and celebrate into the night

I doubt his kicking is any worse than Acres' and apart from Brian, I'm not sure any of us regret the club drafting him.

Whoever we get is going to have faults or weaknesses of some kind. Either their kicking isn't great, they're undersized, they're slow, don't get enough of the ball, or whatever, so we need to come to terms with that.

 

[StCicatriz]

Said it before a thousand times and will say it again. Pepper-Salts big weakness is not his kicking or decision making. People need to move on from that. His issue is his consistency. That will be why clubs pass over him. It wont be because of his so called issues with his disposal

 

[SK_MD_#7]

Shittt Bolton looks very likely!

I'd love to have him on the wing for us!! Bolton and a fit Freeman

 

[StCicatriz]

interesting reading back on this:
https://australianrules.com.au/2016/06/06/wa-flick-the-switch-and-sting-vic-country/

 

[StCicatriz]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/33287368/bolton-desperate-to-meet-afl-demands/#page1

Bolton’s marking ability, explosive pace and tackling pressure have drawn comparisons to idol and Norm Smith medallist Cyril Rioli.

But the South Fremantle forward is at pains to point out he has the work ethic to go with his X-factor, saying he can survive the call of home that affects many young Aboriginal players drafted out of WA. The son of former Fremantle midfielder Darren Bolton, the teenager spent more than three years away from family while boarding at Wesley College.

This year he made an 80-minute round journey from Mandurah at least three days a week for training at Fremantle Oval.

Having picked the brains of good friend and Carlton trade recruit Jarrod Pickett, Bolton knows to expect hours in the gym to prepare his light 178cm frame for the elite level.

“Obviously everyone’s going to get homesick now and then, but I’ll be able to deal with it,” Bolton said. “It’s pretty much been my dream since I was little to make the AFL.

“Mum always dropped me off at training and took me to games, but as soon as I turned 17 I ended up getting my licence. I didn’t want to rely on Mum any more.

“I drove up to Fremantle three days a week. I made sure I was at training early.”

 

[StCicatriz]

the issue i have with powell-pepper is that he has been pretty much in an elite system for 2 years now. he has gone from the east perth colts to the state side to the AIS side to the eagles development system. yet the consistency issues are still there for a bloke with size and athleticism superior to many of his counter parts. he just doesnt maintain that level of impacting games

so i wonder what more can we do for him? of course he will be in a full time environment but he already is pretty driven etc. are we going to be able to make him bigger when his size already is pretty good? are we going to improve his endurance? i dont think those are his issues. he just goes quiet

with bolton i see more upside/a higher ceiling but then i wonder about home sickness and if he will flourish in richo system that values defencive pressure, tackling and cracking in

its a massive red flag for me that the eagles after watching him very closely for 2 years now and have had involvement in coaching him seem to prefer bolton over powel-pepper when they are so desperate for some grunt in that midfield

 

[aussierulesrules]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/33287368/bolton-desperate-to-meet-afl-demands/#page1

Bolton’s marking ability, explosive pace and tackling pressure have drawn comparisons to idol and Norm Smith medallist Cyril Rioli.

But the South Fremantle forward is at pains to point out he has the work ethic to go with his X-factor, saying he can survive the call of home that affects many young Aboriginal players drafted out of WA. The son of former Fremantle midfielder Darren Bolton, the teenager spent more than three years away from family while boarding at Wesley College.

This year he made an 80-minute round journey from Mandurah at least three days a week for training at Fremantle Oval.

Having picked the brains of good friend and Carlton trade recruit Jarrod Pickett, Bolton knows to expect hours in the gym to prepare his light 178cm frame for the elite level.

“Obviously everyone’s going to get homesick now and then, but I’ll be able to deal with it,” Bolton said. “It’s pretty much been my dream since I was little to make the AFL.

“Mum always dropped me off at training and took me to games, but as soon as I turned 17 I ended up getting my licence. I didn’t want to rely on Mum any more.

“I drove up to Fremantle three days a week. I made sure I was at training early.”

It's interesting reading that, because I keep reading all over the place that Bolton is a serious flight-risk- which seems strange for someone who lived away from home for 3 years.

 

[StCicatriz]

It's interesting reading that, because I keep reading all over the place that Bolton is a serious flight-risk- which seems strange for someone who lived away from home for 3 years.

maybe he's just saying what his manager has told him to say... who knows. plus things change. look at garlett and mcarthy. sign long extensions then pack up and leave before the year is out. both south freo boys

 

[StCicatriz]

 

[Sir Skid]

Poor decision making and/or disposal is exactly what we don't need at this stage in our progress. IMO poor decision making shows up amongst other things by the player holding the ball longer that he should which sees opposition players close in and then often kicking under pressure. Even though their disposal without pressure can be quite satisfactory many seem to never change their game day tactics to address the problem through their entire career.

Seems to be an issue with SPP from what I've read about him and on here.

@23 we need the best quality outside mid with pace, class disposal, agility, decision making who can hold his own in close.

Florent
Bolton
C Cox
.
.
.
SPP

 

[Fyfe2Shenton]

Poor decision making and/or disposal is exactly what we don't need at this stage in our progress.
Seems to be an issue with SPP from what I've read about him and on here.

@23 we need the best quality outside mid with pace, class disposal, agility, decision making who can hold his own in close.

Florent
Bolton
C Cox
.
.
.
SPP

As far as I'm aware, Bolton's disposal is quite poor.

 

[Sir Skid]

As far as I'm aware, Bolton's disposal is quite poor.

Haven't heard that.
If he is a good decision maker, by that I mean a space creator for himself and the next person then disposal can be improved imo.
Not locked on him but decision maker is a must for me.

Trout, Bains and co will make the right choice.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Haven't heard that.
If he is a good decision maker. By that I mean a space creator for himself and the next person then disposal can be improved imo.
Not locked on him but decision maker is a must for me.

Trout, Bains and co will make the right choice.

One of the big knocks on Bolton is his kicking and I think decision making as well. Just watch the Youtube video of him in the All Stars game and you can tell in no time that his ball drop is far from good. Needs a lot of work. He's also short, very light, lacking in a tank, got very low contested ball numbers in the champs (and those types are a much higher risk of being "busts"), doesn't have SPP's defensive/pressure/tackling game and is being rumoured to be a real flight-risk.

As for being a "space creator" that is what both Bolton and SPP are, due to their ability to get out of congested areas and into space, thanks to their explosiveness, agility and in SPP's case, brute-strength/aggression.

Someone in the media said of SPP that he can make mistakes because he is doing everything at a million miles an hour, as a result of his passion and intensity and as such, he doesn't always slow down and really steady before he disposes of the ball, but that of course is also something that has been an issue for Jack Steven (as has his kicking) and it hasn't stopped him winning 3 B&F's before the age of 26 or so.

It's also been said that he can at times try to do too much and try to take it all on his shoulders and that he needs to learn to use the first option more, but I doubt that is something that would be that hard for someone who is willing to learn to do.

As you suggested, Trout and co will be all over all this though and will know exactly the type they would prefer and which weaknesses we don't want more of.

I don't personally want to see any more bad kicking or decision making than anyone else here does, but that desire is just outweighed by my desire to have the positive things that SPP brings to the table- unless someone better (especially for us) is available.

@23 we need the best quality outside mid with pace, class disposal, agility, decision making who can hold his own in close.

Bloody hell, you're hoping to get all that at pick 23! You're pretty much describing a Sam Petrevski-Seton there and he could be gone by pick 5. Florent, who was the first you named, might be there if we're REALLY lucky (and it would only be because of his tragic circumstances), but he could also be gone a dozen picks before our first. If we get him I imagine most of us will be jumping for joy.

 

[Sir Skid]

One of the big knocks on Bolton is his kicking and I think decision making as well. Just watch the Youtube video of him in the All Stars game and you can tell in no time that his ball drop is far from good. Needs a lot of work. He's also short, very light, lacking in a tank, got very low contested ball numbers in the champs (and those types are a much higher risk of being "busts"), doesn't have SPP's defensive/pressure/tackling game and is being rumoured to be a real flight-risk.

As for being a "space creator" that is what both Bolton and SPP are, due to their ability to get out of congested areas and into space, thanks to their explosiveness, agility and in SPP's case, brute-strength/aggression.

Someone in the media said of SPP that he can make mistakes because he is doing everything at a million miles an hour, as a result of his passion and intensity and as such, he doesn't always slow down and really steady before he disposes of the ball, but that of course is also something that has been an issue for Jack Steven (as has his kicking) and it hasn't stopped him winning 3 B&F's before the age of 26 or so.

It's also been said that he can at times try to do too much and try to take it all on his shoulders and that he needs to learn to use the first option more, but I doubt that is something that would be that hard for someone who is willing to learn to do.

As you suggested, Trout and co will be all over all this though and will know exactly the type they would prefer and which weaknesses we don't want more of.

I don't personally want to see any more bad kicking or decision making than anyone else here does, but that desire is just outweighed by my desire to have the positive things that SPP brings to the table- unless someone better (especially for us) is available.

Bloody hell, you're hoping to get all that at pick 23! You're pretty much describing a Sam Petrevski-Seton there and he could be gone by pick 5. Florent, who was the first you named, might be there if we're REALLY lucky (and it would only be because of his tragic circumstances), but he could also be gone a dozen picks before our first.

Ha. I want it all, I want it now.

Annoys me seeing players work so hard to get in space then lack composure to settle before kicking. Spoils all their good work and leads to turnovers.

 

[ChrisRyanSaints]

I tend to find myself disagreeing with a lot of your posts.

Not sure what you would disagree with there.
In any event. Dream Draft looking likely.
23 SPP (CCox or Bolton)
36. Battle (or Sproule)
60. Williamson
Rookie Macarthy

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Interesting to see Anderson has is taking Tom Williamson with our pick 60. There must be some mail behind this because I just saw a snippet on my local western Victorian news which said something like "Williamson has his eyes set on st.kilda". I'd be happy with that pick as a pacy and classy outside winger

Born mid December as well - so one of the drafts youngest

Has some good attributes and scope to develop

Would be happy with this pick as well

 

[Scruffy36]

Not sure what you would disagree with there.
In any event. Dream Draft looking likely.
23 SPP (CCox or Bolton)
36. Battle (or Sproule)
60. Williamson
Rookie Macarthy

No way McCarthy gets through to us as a rookie.

 

[Crusty Undies]

As far as I'm aware, Bolton's disposal is quite poor.

Did you watch the highlight reel? or have you seen him play? I can confirm his disposal is on the better side of this years draft crop.