List Mgmt. Draft Discussion 2016

[dewah07]

And will be taken by GWS.

those list spots tho....

 

[dewah07]

Hate to nitpick, but;

Stevens - 189cm 88kg
Steele - 187cm 88kg
Ross - 187cm 87kg

Surely if Stevens and Steele are 'tall' then Ross is too?

Similarly, if Dunstan (184cm 84kg) is a medium mid, then surely Armitage (183cm 86kg) is as well.

I reckon you can also add McKenzie (184cm 77kg) and Newnes (184cm 81kg) to the medium mids category, and arguably Gilbert (194cm 90kg) to the talls.

shouldn't be on height, it should be on how players play, if they play tall.

stevens does not at all in the contest however can take an overhead mark around the ground.

steele defs plays taller than his height.

also at work today i had some close to 195-200cm bloke who everyone was telling him good luck in the draft, any idea who it might of been Barrels, kinda looked like an 18yo Johnny Patton but was a pretty nice guy outside of his golf swing

 

[SaintsSeptember]

shouldn't be on height, it should be on how players play, if they play tall.

stevens does not at all in the contest however can take an overhead mark around the ground.

steele defs plays taller than his height.

also at work today i had some close to 195-200cm bloke who everyone was telling him good luck in the draft, any idea who it might of been Barrels, kinda looked like an 18yo Johnny Patton but was a pretty nice guy outside of his golf swing

Farren Ray at 1.87 was a terrific mark around the ground.

 

[sunny3193]

Gee this is a thought provoking post.

We go for a ready to go kid or a kid with potential more upside?

We just picked up two ready to go mids with mature bodies and experience in the seniors so that would point to a kid who may be considered to have huge potential but may take a while...

....but the monster trade with the two picks next year has given room to consider the risk of a ready to go kid.

If it works there is the option to head for FA armed with picks and $$$$$.

If it doesnt work option to bundle the picks and trade up for a top skilled kid in 17.
Gee what a lovely range of options. Have fun Trout

I agree that that ARR has nailed it.

From our best 22 options we can all see that the depth is now sound.

Is the chase for Laverde a clue to our thinking?

So is there a 4th forward option in our pick range?

Thinking a George Young who can kick on his other foot too?

(For those born after 1975: he and Phil Carman had a shoot out at Moorabbin that year. Carman won: I think he kicked 10, George 7 or 8. Not bad for a half forward).

Maybe Barrels can find us one!

 

[dewah07]

Farren Ray at 1.87 was a terrific mark around the ground.

played out of position his whole career, should of always been played behind the ball IMO

 

[JG22]

played out of position his whole career, should of always been played behind the ball IMO

Couldn't defend tho

 

[Rors]

those list spots tho....

They had a senior list of 42 in 2016, which needs to be reduced to 40 for 2017.

McCarthy
Steele
Stewart
Marchbank
Palmer
Pickett
WHE
McKenna
Patfull (retired to rookie list - won't play in 2017)

There's 9 spots opened up, but list need to be 40... There's enough for 7:

*Deledio*

McGrath
Setterfield
Perryman
Sproule
Macreadie
Mutch

 

[bird_man]

They had a senior list of 42 in 2016, which needs to be reduced to 40 for 2017.

Steele
Stewart
Marchbank
Palmer
Pickett
WHE
McKenna
Patfull (retired to rookie list - won't play in 2017)

There's 8 spots opened up, but list need to be 40.... Just enough for 6:

McGrath
Setterfield
Perryman
Sproule
Macreadie
Mutch

What was the go with Patful retiring and then going on the rookie list?

 

[Rors]

What was the go with Patful retiring and then going on the rookie list?

He was contracted for next year, so they did the same thing we did years ago for Leigh Fisher & Fraser Gehrig - rookie listed them even though they retired

 

[dewah07]

They had a senior list of 42 in 2016, which needs to be reduced to 40 for 2017.

McCarthy
Steele
Stewart
Marchbank
Palmer
Pickett
WHE
McKenna
Patfull (retired to rookie list - won't play in 2017)

There's 9 spots opened up, but list need to be 40... There's enough for 7:

*Deledio*

McGrath
Setterfield
Perryman
Sproule
Macreadie
Mutch

for example heres the latest post by a giants poster in their T&D thread

Personal thoughts would be:

• re-sign Downie before the ND and de-list Mohr, Barrett & Simpson
• ND get McGrath/McCluggage, Setterfield, Perryman, Macreadie, Garthwaite, Cumming, re-draft Barrett, upgrade Reid & Lloyd (= 38 main list)
• At the rookie draft take up to 5 rookies from: Mohr, Fisher, Meline, Byrne, Owen-Auburn (Patfull on the books also)

in this case mutch isn't even mentioned so i reckon theirs a good chance begets declined on the matching ala dunkley

 

[saintsrfreak]

Bring in Zac Fisher to be Gresh's best mate

 

[aussierulesrules]

Just had a bit of a squiz at Barrel's idol Knightmare's thread and an interesting looking one he has at pick 25 is Benjamin Ronke, from Calder.

Given that ideally we want "genuine mids", preferably with speed, he might be someone we'd be interested in, especially now that we've got some height in with Stevens and Steele. His description of him sounds a lot like how someone would describe Jack Steven and KM has likened him to Luke Shuey.

Was apparently named as best for Calder in 5 of his last 6 games.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2016-draft-almanac.1131236/#post-44231760

Interesting that he has Florent at 28, Berry at 29 and Rotham at 30!

Hopefully it's like last year, when Tucker made it through to 27 and then Matho and co. went late 30's.

 

[dewah07]

Just had a bit of a squiz at Barrel's idol Knightmare's thread and an interesting looking one he has at pick 25 is Benjamin Ronke, from Calder.

Given that ideally we want "genuine mids", preferably with speed, he might be someone we'd be interested in, especially now that we've got some height in with Stevens and Steele. His description of him sounds a lot like how someone would describe Jack Steven and KM has likened him to Luke Shuey.

Was apparently named as best for Calder in 5 of his last 6 games.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2016-draft-almanac.1131236/#post-44231760

errr he has mutch at 18

 

[SaintsSeptember]

He was contracted for next year, so they did the same thing we did years ago for Leigh Fisher & Fraser Gehrig - rookie listed them even though they retired

Except Fras had changed his mind as was never rookied.

 

[Rors]

for example heres the latest post by a giants poster in their T&D thread


in this case mutch isn't even mentioned so i reckon theirs a good chance begets declined on the matching ala dunkley

I forgot Ahern as well. Wouldn't surprise me if they just take their list down to the Standard 38 senior listed players & take only 5 new recruits.

 

[bird_man]

What's the go with Knightmare havin Willem Drew in his top ten all year? Can't see him going close to the first round

 

[aussierulesrules]

What's the go with Knightmare havin Willem Drew in his top ten all year? Can't see him going close to the first round

He has a big bias towards inside contested ball winning types and will always tend to rate them higher than everyone else as a general rule.

 

[Glen Buterol]

What's the go with Knightmare havin Willem Drew in his top ten all year? Can't see him going close to the first round

He's a ****ing raging campaigner that's what the go is!

 

[aussierulesrules]

Or that!

 

[bird_man]

He's a ******* raging campaigner that's what the go is!

Barrels' mate

 

[Barrels]

shouldn't be on height, it should be on how players play, if they play tall.

stevens does not at all in the contest however can take an overhead mark around the ground.

steele defs plays taller than his height.

also at work today i had some close to 195-200cm bloke who everyone was telling him good luck in the draft, any idea who it might of been Barrels, kinda looked like an 18yo Johnny Patton but was a pretty nice guy outside of his golf swing

Would need a bit more information than a vague guess at his height...

 

[JG22]

shouldn't be on height, it should be on how players play, if they play tall.

stevens does not at all in the contest however can take an overhead mark around the ground.

steele defs plays taller than his height.

also at work today i had some close to 195-200cm bloke who everyone was telling him good luck in the draft, any idea who it might of been Barrels, kinda looked like an 18yo Johnny Patton but was a pretty nice guy outside of his golf swing

Gresh plays strong

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Yeah, Freeman is tiny compared to his listed size. He was with Gresham at the jumper presentation and he wasn't to much taller. Armo looks a bit smaller than me at 6'2" but not miles off. I would have thought he'd be around 6' to 6'1"

Armo is 185cm. I'm not 100% sure on Freezer but he'd be around 181/182cm. I remember the first time I was introduced to him just before last trade period I was shocked at his height and weight, I had an impression from afar that he was a bigger body, which he's not. He's like a leaner Jack Steven.
I think the last I heard Gresh was 177 so he's not as tiny as some make out.
Ross is 187, JB would be at least 186 and putting on weight quickly.
And our monster is Acres, 192cm + and just about ready to enter beast mode.

 

[gringo2011]

I must also add that Hayward, much to Richo's (significant) pleasure, is an exceptional tackler.

Had a pile of contested possessions in games too.

 

[goodie23]

Gresh plays strong

I'd say he plays smart rather than strong