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Your guy at Draft Central is about 20 isn't he?
Ones 17, and yeah a couple are about 20. There's only two of us who are older.
 
So we've established we don't need a ruckman and pretty much the only way we'd even consider one is if English does a Grundy-esque slide. So what kind of kids are y'all hoping we'll pick up?

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Midfielder or Dempster like utility.
I don't mind an inside mid if they have potential to win more ball than Dunstan or Ross.
 
So we've established we don't need a ruckman and pretty much the only way we'd even consider one is if English does a Grundy-esque slide. So what kind of kids are y'all hoping we'll pick up?

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Mids, mids and more mids. Need to plant as many seeds as possible in the hope that we get some A graders out of them. Best way to go about it IMO.
 
if begley is there at 36 I hope we pick him up. with shenton gone, we need membrey backup in any case so it isn't like it isn't a need. plus he could play midfield longer term in any case.

and if the unthinkable happens and he is there at 61 I will deadset spew if we overlook him!
 

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if begley is there at 36 I hope we pick him up. with shenton gone, we need membrey backup in any case so it isn't like it isn't a need. plus he could play midfield longer term in any case.

and if the unthinkable happens and he is there at 61 I will deadset spew if we overlook him!
What're the knocks on him? Seems pretty similar to Petracca
 
OK, so I've just watched all 4 SPP videos on youtube (including the AFL one from a couple of days ago, which I really recommend if you want to learn a bit about him and hear from him- it sounds like Shifter for one is an unabashed fan- http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-01/tomorrows-heroes-sam-powellpepper-bigbodied-mid-ready-for-afl) and I think it's safe to say that I saw what MG was referring to when he said his kicking was terrible in his highlights package/s, as his kicking in two of those 4 is indeed very bloody ordinary. What MG might not have realised though is that those two vids (both WA v Vic Metro) are from last year (2015), so hopefully he's improved it a fair bit since then and I didn't think his kicking was noticeably bad in the two from this year (the AFL one and one v Allies) and he was the only one who got a perfect score in the goalkicking test at the combine, so maybe, like say Jarod Berry, his kicking has improved since last year and may have further improvement in it.

If it hasn't, you wouldn't pick him at 23, based on how he was kicking it last year and on the number of disposals he gets, but you certainly might if it's on the improve and looking like it could improve further.

If it is, I just want him. I'm just in love with his explosive linebreaking run and sidestep and his physicality and want it in our team, ASAP. I was also impressed with how he spoke. He seems like a quality character and I like that one of the things he said he'd bring to the table is leadership. Also said he'd be happy to go anywhere and said his dad is English, so I take it he's probably not from a a remote community, so would hopefully not have any massive issues adjusting to life in say Melbourne.

A couple of years ago I was mega-keen on Petracca, but when we got Paddy it meant that we missed out on all Petracca would have brought to the table, but I feel that if we were to get SPP he would give us at least a couple of the attributes that make CP as good as he is. He's not as good as Petracca- in particular he doesn't find as much of the ball, isn't as super-strong overhead and doesn't hit the scoreboard as heavily- but he's got the big, powerful body like CP, the elite agility, explosiveness and physicality and, like Sam, CP's biggest weakness in the juniors was probably his kicking. (In the U18's, CP had a poor DE and he tested very poorly in both the kicking and goalkicking tests at his combine. Like SPP, he is a powerful and long kick, but can certainly miss short targets in particular). So he could give us a fair bit of what we could have gotten from CP.

Think of how hard to tackle we could be as a team if we had all of Blacres, SPP, Gresham, Steele, Mav, Steven, D-Mac and Armo in our side! :eek: :)

If we were to get him, given that he's already got an AFL sized body (apparently about 187cm and 90kg!) and already has strong endurance, I would actually consider almost taking him out of normal training for the first couple of months of preseason and just get him to work on his kicking day after day, for a couple of months. Or, alternatively, whenever the two from Ireland are working specifically on their kicking, pull Sam out of the regular training group and get him to join them for their kicking sessions.

It might mean he doesn't play quite as much in his first year, but if it made him better in the long run, it could be very well worth it.
 
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What're the knocks on him? Seems pretty similar to Petracca

According to he who must not be named.
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His most pressing deficiencies are a lack of pace, agility and endurance. Begley seems to have dropped some weight and covers the ground better than he did earlier in the season, but further work is still needed
 
OK, so I've just watched all 4 SPP videos on youtube (including the AFL one from a couple of days ago, which I really recommend if you want to learn a bit about him and hear from him- it sounds like Shifter for one is an unabashed fan- http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-01/tomorrows-heroes-sam-powellpepper-bigbodied-mid-ready-for-afl) and I think it's safe to say that I saw what MG was referring to when he said his kicking was terrible in his highlights package/s, as his kicking in two of those 4 is indeed very bloody ordinary. What MG might not have realised though is that those two vids (both WA v Vic Metro) are from last year (2015), so hopefully he's improved it a fair bit since then and I didn't think his kicking was noticeably bad in the two from this year (the AFL one and one v Allies) and he was the only one who got a perfect score in the goalkicking test at the combine, so maybe, like say Jarod Berry, his kicking has improved since last year and may have further improvement in it.

If it hasn't, you wouldn't pick him at 23, based on how he was kicking it last year and on the number of disposals he gets, but you certainly might if it's on the improve and looking like it could improve further.

If it is, I just want him. I'm just in love with his explosive linebreaking run and sidestep and his physicality and want it in our team, ASAP. I was also impressed with how he spoke. He seems like a quality character and I like that one of the things he said he'd bring to the table is leadership. Also said he'd be happy to go anywhere and said his dad is English, so I take it he's probably not from a a remote community, so would hopefully not have any massive issues adjusting to life in say Melbourne.

A couple of years ago I was mega-keen on Petracca, but when we got Paddy it meant that we missed out on all Petracca would have brought to the table, but I feel that if we were to get SPP he would give us at least a couple of the attributes that make CP as good as he is. He's not as good as Petracca- in particular he doesn't find as much of the ball, isn't as super-strong overhead and doesn't hit the scoreboard as heavily- but he's got the big, powerful body like CP, the elite agility, explosiveness and physicality and, like Sam, CP's biggest weakness in the juniors was probably his kicking. (In the U18's, CP had a poor DE and he tested very poorly in both the kicking and goalkicking tests at his combine. Like SPP, he is a powerful and long kick, but can certainly miss short targets in particular). So he could give us a fair bit of what we could have gotten from CP.

Think of how hard to tackle we could be as a team if we had all of Blacres, SPP, Gresham, Steele, Mav, Steven, D-Mac and Armo in our side! :eek: :)

If we were to get him, given that he's already got an AFL sized body (apparently about 187cm and 90kg!) and already has strong endurance, I would actually consider almost taking him out of normal training for the first couple of months of preseason and just get him to work on his kicking day after day, for a couple of months. Or, alternatively, whenever the two from Ireland are working specifically on their kicking, pull Sam out of the regular training group and get him to join them for their kicking sessions.

It might mean he doesn't play quite as much in his first year, but if it made him better in the long run, it could be very well worth it.


If his kicking is indeed something he has worked on and it's improved then those are pretty encouraging signs and would definitely be something our recruiters would like (similar to how they were impressed with Paddy getting a running coach/trainer in the lead up to the draft to improve his fitness), the sort of character traits that show you someone will work hard to make it at the level and has the right mindset.
 
OK, so I've just watched all 4 SPP videos on youtube (including the AFL one from a couple of days ago, which I really recommend if you want to learn a bit about him and hear from him- it sounds like Shifter for one is an unabashed fan- http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-01/tomorrows-heroes-sam-powellpepper-bigbodied-mid-ready-for-afl) and I think it's safe to say that I saw what MG was referring to when he said his kicking was terrible in his highlights package/s, as his kicking in two of those 4 is indeed very bloody ordinary. What MG might not have realised though is that those two vids (both WA v Vic Metro) are from last year (2015), so hopefully he's improved it a fair bit since then and I didn't think his kicking was noticeably bad in the two from this year (the AFL one and one v Allies) and he was the only one who got a perfect score in the goalkicking test at the combine, so maybe, like say Jarod Berry, his kicking has improved since last year and may have further improvement in it.

If it hasn't, you wouldn't pick him at 23, based on how he was kicking it last year and on the number of disposals he gets, but you certainly might if it's on the improve and looking like it could improve further.

If it is, I just want him. I'm just in love with his explosive linebreaking run and sidestep and his physicality and want it in our team, ASAP. I was also impressed with how he spoke. He seems like a quality character and I like that one of the things he said he'd bring to the table is leadership. Also said he'd be happy to go anywhere and said his dad is English, so I take it he's probably not from a a remote community, so would hopefully not have any massive issues adjusting to life in say Melbourne.

A couple of years ago I was mega-keen on Petracca, but when we got Paddy it meant that we missed out on all Petracca would have brought to the table, but I feel that if we were to get SPP he would give us at least a couple of the attributes that make CP as good as he is. He's not as good as Petracca- in particular he doesn't find as much of the ball, isn't as super-strong overhead and doesn't hit the scoreboard as heavily- but he's got the big, powerful body like CP, the elite agility, explosiveness and physicality and, like Sam, CP's biggest weakness in the juniors was probably his kicking. (In the U18's, CP had a poor DE and he tested very poorly in both the kicking and goalkicking tests at his combine. Like SPP, he is a powerful and long kick, but can certainly miss short targets in particular). So he could give us a fair bit of what we could have gotten from CP.

Think of how hard to tackle we could be as a team if we had all of Blacres, SPP, Gresham, Steele, Mav, Steven, D-Mac and Armo in our side! :eek: :)

If we were to get him, given that he's already got an AFL sized body (apparently about 187cm and 90kg!) and already has strong endurance, I would actually consider almost taking him out of normal training for the first couple of months of preseason and just get him to work on his kicking day after day, for a couple of months. Or, alternatively, whenever the two from Ireland are working specifically on their kicking, pull Sam out of the regular training group and get him to join them for their kicking sessions.

It might mean he doesn't play quite as much in his first year, but if it made him better in the long run, it could be very well worth it.

Yeah when I watched the team Judd/O'Laughlin all stars thing it really hyped me up on him. He has something about him. He drifted out of the game a bit but he makes good stuff happen and he's by no means perfect, he fresh aired the ball a couple of meters from goal etc but he is just a footballer. Looks like a potential star from outside the top 10 type. Has enough knocks on him to drift out but has some nice traits. He runs the tempo around him I think it might be and changes the energy around him.
 
if begley is there at 36 I hope we pick him up. with shenton gone, we need membrey backup in any case so it isn't like it isn't a need. plus he could play midfield longer term in any case.

and if the unthinkable happens and he is there at 61 I will deadset spew if we overlook him!
Begs Begs Beggitty Begs...
 
According to he who must not be named.
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His most pressing deficiencies are a lack of pace, agility and endurance. Begley seems to have dropped some weight and covers the ground better than he did earlier in the season, but further work is still needed
Or you could just ask a guy that covered the Ranges all season...
 

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OK, so I've just watched all 4 SPP videos on youtube (including the AFL one from a couple of days ago, which I really recommend if you want to learn a bit about him and hear from him- it sounds like Shifter for one is an unabashed fan- http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-01/tomorrows-heroes-sam-powellpepper-bigbodied-mid-ready-for-afl) and I think it's safe to say that I saw what MG was referring to when he said his kicking was terrible in his highlights package/s, as his kicking in two of those 4 is indeed very bloody ordinary. What MG might not have realised though is that those two vids (both WA v Vic Metro) are from last year (2015), so hopefully he's improved it a fair bit since then and I didn't think his kicking was noticeably bad in the two from this year (the AFL one and one v Allies) and he was the only one who got a perfect score in the goalkicking test at the combine, so maybe, like say Jarod Berry, his kicking has improved since last year and may have further improvement in it.

If it hasn't, you wouldn't pick him at 23, based on how he was kicking it last year and on the number of disposals he gets, but you certainly might if it's on the improve and looking like it could improve further.

If it is, I just want him. I'm just in love with his explosive linebreaking run and sidestep and his physicality and want it in our team, ASAP. I was also impressed with how he spoke. He seems like a quality character and I like that one of the things he said he'd bring to the table is leadership. Also said he'd be happy to go anywhere and said his dad is English, so I take it he's probably not from a a remote community, so would hopefully not have any massive issues adjusting to life in say Melbourne.

A couple of years ago I was mega-keen on Petracca, but when we got Paddy it meant that we missed out on all Petracca would have brought to the table, but I feel that if we were to get SPP he would give us at least a couple of the attributes that make CP as good as he is. He's not as good as Petracca- in particular he doesn't find as much of the ball, isn't as super-strong overhead and doesn't hit the scoreboard as heavily- but he's got the big, powerful body like CP, the elite agility, explosiveness and physicality and, like Sam, CP's biggest weakness in the juniors was probably his kicking. (In the U18's, CP had a poor DE and he tested very poorly in both the kicking and goalkicking tests at his combine. Like SPP, he is a powerful and long kick, but can certainly miss short targets in particular). So he could give us a fair bit of what we could have gotten from CP.

Think of how hard to tackle we could be as a team if we had all of Blacres, SPP, Gresham, Steele, Mav, Steven, D-Mac and Armo in our side! :eek: :)

If we were to get him, given that he's already got an AFL sized body (apparently about 187cm and 90kg!) and already has strong endurance, I would actually consider almost taking him out of normal training for the first couple of months of preseason and just get him to work on his kicking day after day, for a couple of months. Or, alternatively, whenever the two from Ireland are working specifically on their kicking, pull Sam out of the regular training group and get him to join them for their kicking sessions.

It might mean he doesn't play quite as much in his first year, but if it made him better in the long run, it could be very well worth it.
Really good post. Ive been saying for a long time now that people are still thinking of SPPs disposal from last year which was horrid but so was the entire WA side
 
Really good post. Ive been saying for a long time now that people are still thinking of SPPs disposal from last year which was horrid but so was the entire WA side
So have you seen much of him and has it improved considerably since last year?

What's the talk about him over there? West Coast are meant to be pretty keen.

It was interesting that he was taking the kicking-in duties in one of those games v VM last year. It certainly doesn't say much for the rest of the team's kicking if that was the case. Be like Wrighty or Gears kicking in for us! :D
 
So have you seen much of him and has it improved considerably since last year?

What's the talk about him over there? West Coast are meant to be pretty keen.

It was interesting that he was taking the kicking-in duties in one of those games v VM last year. It certainly doesn't say much for the rest of the team's kicking if that was the case. Be like Wrighty or Gears kicking in for us! :D

its improved quite considerably on last year IMO its still a concern but like ive said multiple times its not the major concern with him IMO. his major concern is his consistency, he just goes out of games far too much. its too hot and cold for someone who has the tank and body to go now. i think his kicking and decision making has improved and it will only get better under a full time elite system, but his consistency hasnt improved and thats the concern for me. his role from last year has changed though (more HFF/Midfielder than HBF)

how do we think we will help him with that? why hasnt he been able to accumulate more of the ball on a consistent basis as a full time mid? why cant he use that power and ability to break the lines week in week out. if he cant find the ball and have an impact, the kicking, good or bad is a null and void point

as you've suggest in some really good posts ARR, his best is game winning and has the ability to turn matches but his worst is lewis jetta like. has no impact what so ever.

when i compare him to zac fisher, i see one player who doesnt have the body, who's been able to deliver at senior level against men in a pretty bad side in the midfield. then i see SPP with body, tank, in a good side who can just completely fade out of games against men. i think he's beating up on the colts players around him and the U18ers to a certain extent

his character is first class though (SPP). extremely professional from what I have heard

i havent heard him (SPP) linked to WCE at their first rounder. I have heard that WCE have been into bolton though at the first for sometime

its hard to get a place on SPP. i wouldnt be surprised to see him taken around WCE's first pick or even higher, but I wont be surprised either if he slips to our 2nd pick
 

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I know it's a crazy thought but if we picked up Josh Battle in the draft I wouldn't mind it. I know it's not in our list of needs but a full forward line of Membrey-Paddy-Battle (or 2 of if one is injured) would be beastly. It would ensure we had ample forward line stocks for the next decade. Also, his name is Josh Battle.
 
Thanks for that StCicatriz . What are your thoughts on Rotham? Doesn't seem to have progressed as much as hoped this year, but Brett Anderson reckons we're after a "tall back flanker" and you'd think he'd be the one, if true.

i agree with brett, although i think he could be a third tall defender. a dempster/fisher/gilbert type. i forgot who he reminds me of, but i put it in another post

he's not the fyfe or acres that people think he is
 
I know it's a crazy thought but if we picked up Josh Battle in the draft I wouldn't mind it. I know it's not in our list of needs but a full forward line of Membrey-Paddy-Battle (or 2 of if one is injured) would be beastly. It would ensure we had ample forward line stocks for the next decade. Also, his name is Josh Battle.
We've also got Bruce.
It would seem unlikely we would go for Battle but could happen.
 
BA says that Todd marshalls draft range is 15-23 if he slipped that far to us would he be too good to pass on? I'm pretty convinced he could possibly be an upgrade on Bruce, where Bruce could turn into a Jason Blake type player, just a thought
 

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