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UpTheGuts said:
Very possibly. But the suggestion was that, IMO, we should pass on the PSD, keep Newman on the vets list and thus assist us getting to 92.5% and instantly free up a space for the supposedly better 2012 draft

Your thoughts as to what we should do? I like getting a new bloke as much as anyone, but with rookies we will be adding a total of 10 new players to our total list. The bloke we overlook at 73 is every chance of being there in the RD and need only be contracted for 1 year

McGuane was apparently heavily front loaded and 92.5% in 2012 will be about $500k more than it was this year. Maric and Morris hardly on big dosh. There is a fair amount of cash we need to deploy to make it to 92.5% and keeping Newman on the main list will help us do that. And has the above list mgt advantages, as well as knocking off another $100k from our total footy spend for a year



Just a thought.
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Why would we do that, The cash we save from half of newmans salary can always go towards paying up other players future payments & including them into this years cap.

Allowing us much more room in the cap for future years,I would have no hesitation in paying half of cotchin,martin,delidio,Riwoldts 2013 payments next year to even get us to 100% and saving the room for the onslaught that "WILL" come from other clubs.
 
THE_GUN said:
Why would we do that, The cash we save from half of newmans salary can always go towards paying up other players future payments & including them into this years cap.

Allowing us much more room in the cap for future years,I would have no hesitation in paying half of cotchin,martin,delidio,Riwoldts 2013 payments next year to even get us to 100% and saving the room for the onslaught that "WILL" come from other clubs.
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Yeah, but you front load too much and that becomes the benchmark. Deledio has already been paid circa $700k this year. So he owes us a cheap year.
 
UpTheGuts said:
Yeah, but you front load too much and that becomes the benchmark. Deledio has already been paid circa $700k this year. So he owes us a cheap year.
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Up the Guts: Please remove that silly remark (tag) from Sir Jim?

I find it very annoying, only showing how much (not) he knows about football.
Cheers, mate:thumbsu:
 

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UpTheGuts said:
Yeah, but you front load too much and that becomes the benchmark. Deledio has already been paid circa $700k this year. So he owes us a cheap year.
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HOw does he owe us a cheap year? He's worth 700k a year and if we only have to pay him that next year onwards when other teams will target him then we will be walking away with a big smile on our faces.
 
tigs2010 said:
HOw does he owe us a cheap year? He's worth 700k a year and if we only have to pay him that next year onwards when other teams will target him then we will be walking away with a big smile on our faces.
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It was at least that. Maybe $750k this year with only $200k next year.

That was from a 3 year $1.5m deal, which has a year to go. No way should we rip that up.

Let him do his time in 2012. Extend him over summer if possible, but he has made roughly $1.3m from us in 2 years, which is pretty good coin.

He's no Top 10 player as yet. Plenty of better players played for plenty less this year
 
UpTheGuts said:
It was at least that. Maybe $750k this year with only $200k next year.

That was from a 3 year $1.5m deal, which has a year to go. No way should we rip that up.

Let him do his time in 2012. Extend him over summer if possible, but he has made roughly $1.3m from us in 2 years, which is pretty good coin.

He's no Top 10 player as yet. Plenty of better players played for plenty less this year
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Im saying end of 2012 it will cost us about that. Dont mean go out and pay it to him in 2012.
 
UpTheGuts said:
It was at least that. Maybe $750k this year with only $200k next year.

That was from a 3 year $1.5m deal, which has a year to go. No way should we rip that up.

Let him do his time in 2012. Extend him over summer if possible, but he has made roughly $1.3m from us in 2 years, which is pretty good coin.

He's no Top 10 player as yet. Plenty of better players played for plenty less this year
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From where I am sitting your argument seems irrelevant. Who cares if he earned 1.3 mil in the first 2 years and only 200k next year (it is 1.5 over three). I would be extending Deledios contract for 3 years and paying him a fair bit next season so that we don't have to worry about salary cap issues for a while. It will keep Deledio happy and we can actually use the fact that we are currently crap to our advantage.

Put Cotch on a 5 year deal front ended....
 

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TimmytheTiger said:
What is the standard of this competition? He looks quite quick and holding football smarts, but I have no idea about the others he is playing against?
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Not very good. Its where Webberley came from. Looks a good kick and very quick. If he was doing that sort of stuff in a higher comp like VFL he'd probably be a ND prospect. He has quite a few good traits in there but questions over his application and can go missing because of it. IMO would be worth a rookie punt. Better than taking a kid with hardly any AFL attributes.
 
tigs2010 said:
Not very good. Its where Webberley came from. Looks a good kick and very quick. If he was doing that sort of stuff in a higher comp like VFL he'd probably be a ND prospect. He has quite a few good traits in there but questions over his application and can go missing because of it. IMO would be worth a rookie punt. Better than taking a kid with hardly any AFL attributes.
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His speed and contested marking looked first class in that clip.

Seemed to work pretty hard defensively aswell.

I know nothing about him apart from what I viewed in the clip and I think there is some serious potential there.
 
I bet if Greene, Kavanagh or Adams are gone at 15 then we'll choose Markworth because like we chose Conca out of nowhere last year. Then we'll get Grigg, Nelson or Ross at 26.
 
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His speed and contested marking looked first class in that clip.

Seemed to work pretty hard defensively aswell.

I know nothing about him apart from what I viewed in the clip and I think there is some serious potential there.
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Me either but he looks to have a couple of good attributes. Speed, kicking, contested marking and awareness around goals.
 
Anyone can have a good highlights clip. Unless you go and watch whole games and get a clear understanding on players strengths and weaknesses it is hard to predict. Last year I loved Atley's highlights and called for the club to pick him. I later found out he had kicking issues and after watching him at AFL level I thank god we didn't. Alternatively I wasn't over enthused by Batchelors highlights but after seeing him play this year I would be hard pressed finding 5 blokes to take in front of him in that draft.

I used to get right into the draft but have since refrained because it seems like a futile excercise. Especially with Francis Jackson as our head recruiter!
 

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unlike last year i was extreamly interested in who we could get ect ect


and when the club came out and got a no name player who we knew nothing about it has just made me think ...

with us all getting frazzeled again we have no clue who were going to get ...


With Conca being rated so highly after his first year ec ect do you think Fj and Dimma purposely told him to lay low and give different answers to other clubs?

it happens alot in other sports why wouldn't it happen in the AFL?
 
Last years draft seems like it really was being deliberated on up to the last second. We obviously rated Reece highly, so did a number of other clubs. It was reported that WC seriously considered him at pick 3. Just because bigfooty had him down the list doesn't mean he was a 'no name'.

The year Stephen Hill went at 3 BF predicted him at around pick 20. A couple days before there was mail he would go far higher (like Conca).

What happens if he talked himself down and someone slid to our pick we rated higher? He is going to give himself every possible chance to get picked up.

I haven't seen you produce one post with any degree of quality in relation to drafting or trading Bird Man, add to that your ridiculous font size in this most recent one..
 
If past drafts are anything to go from Francis and Co will suprise us all and take players that people arnt even talking about.
 
deled3 said:
Last years draft seems like it really was being deliberated on up to the last second. We obviously rated Reece highly, so did a number of other clubs. It was reported that WC seriously considered him at pick 3. Just because bigfooty had him down the list doesn't mean he was a 'no name'.

The year Stephen Hill went at 3 BF predicted him at around pick 20. A couple days before there was mail he would go far higher (like Conca).

What happens if he talked himself down and someone slid to our pick we rated higher? He is going to give himself every possible chance to get picked up.

I haven't seen you produce one post with any degree of quality in relation to drafting or trading Bird Man, add to that your ridiculous font size in this most recent one..
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didnt think it was going to be that big my bad :P

yeh well i live in Sydney so it is hard for to watch young kids at a footy game. SOO i come on here and ask questions on kids who we might be getting and what not and try and read up on the internet on who they are.

I was quite involved last year on One eyed forum and when we picked up conca i had no clue who he was and decided that all that effort meant nothing.

and if we talked him down and we had taken some one else it would have been Heppel and i would have been very happy with that.

if your trying to talk down to me on a internet forum my friend its not working at all champion
 

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