Draft Discussions Recovered

[PHX]

Re: Draft Discussion

Thanks for validating my point

And the best available player judged by the vast majority was a ruckman so they were very fortunate to have the best player available match their needs.

Or are you too stubborn to acknowledge that?

 

[Toadvine]

Re: Draft Discussion

Thanks for validating my point

What he was saying is Carlton needed a ruckman and it just so happend that the best kid overall the others was Kreuzer so they took him becuase he was best available

Why would they have traded so hard for Warnock if they felt this need was met by getting Kreuzer?

 

[ize_]

Re: Draft Discussion

For a project ruckmen what about
Zachary Clarke Height 203 Weight 77=Will turn out to be a good ruckmen in the long run I think.He has a good leap but is very skinny he also does not win many taps.

He's 14 cm taller than me an only 3 kilos heavier. And I'm considered skinny.

we could always save a pick in the PSD and get Fiora back

Hahahaha PLEASE! That would be the funniest thing ever, I would love the reactions on this board. Wallace and Cameron should do it just for the humour, then sit back and watch the response. I would laugh the house down.

I've changed my mind, I want Trengove at 8. If not him, Hartlett, if not Hartlett, Swift, if not Swift, McKernan.

 

[db26]

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For our first rounder, if it comes down to a choice between an A grade midfielder, and a B grade forward, you take the A grade midfielder everytime. Always take best available with 1st rounders, DundasBoy26.

You call Mckernan a B grade forward with hands like he has and speed and such a good leap???, and what about Johnston he was awsome for SA in a average side taking so many grabs etc.

 

[PHX]

Re: Draft Discussion

You call Mckernan a B grade forward with hands like he has and speed and such a good leap???, and what about Johnston he was awsome for SA in a average side taking so many grabs etc.

McKernan is a B-Grade Forward that might be pushing the lower reaches of A. He cant kick. Thats his main problem.

Johnston is a B-Grade at best. I cant be stuffed going on about this bloke again.

 

[The Cotch]

Re: Draft Discussion

Pick 8 : Swift/Hartlett
Pick 26: Ruck/KPF
Pick 58: Mid or best available KPP.
Pick 70: Cockshell
Rookie pick: DeLuca

Depth issues solved instantly.

 

[ize_]

Re: Draft Discussion

I'd say pick 70, if not 58 as well, should be used on mids. The draft is deep with quality mids, not so with quality talls.

 

[beaver fever]

Re: Draft Discussion

Pick 8 : Swift/Hartlett
Pick 26: Ruck/KPF
Pick 58: What we didnt get in pick 26
Pick 70: Cockshell
Rookie pick: DeLuca

Depth issues solved instantly.

Cockshell! Why would we draft him for? Rookie draft at the very most surely.

 

[The Cotch]

Re: Draft Discussion

I'd say pick 70, if not 58 as well, should be used on mids. The draft is deep with quality mids, not so with quality talls.

Ye, I think pick 58 might be a mid. Banner or Gugliotta maybe.

 

[Ruckman08]

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You call Mckernan a B grade forward with hands like he has and speed and such a good leap???, and what about Johnston he was awsome for SA in a average side taking so many grabs etc.

i spose he thinks cotchins slow, and has no class..

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Re: Draft Discussion

And the best available player judged by the vast majority was a ruckman so they were very fortunate to have the best player available match their needs.

Or are you too stubborn to acknowledge that?

Id like to know who this vast majority is?Adrian Caruso[Does the stats etc for up and coming kids]rated Cotchin ahead of kruezer.He went onto say that Melb will pick Watts on a more of a needs basis,The exact point i was pointing out to Beaver.Not all 1st rnd picks goes on the best basis.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Re: Draft Discussion

The Official BigFooty Phantom Draft has kicked off; always some high quality discussion.

Worth a read for all draft followers.

Pick 8 was what I'd consider a relatively easy one, I merely picked the guy I believe to be best available, and it makes our midfield extremely potent.

But it is with the later picks where it gets really interesting.

If you wish to congratulate/criticise/ask questions of my picks, do so here or on the thread itself.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=515196

 

[beaver fever]

Re: Draft Discussion

Yup good call there tiger flu. Pretty classy midfield with Hamish Hartlett added to it. Wouldn't have to worry about midfielders for a long time.

 

[The Cotch]

Re: Draft Discussion

Gee, Hartlett would be awesome. Francis and Cameron I know would be absolutlely stoked to see him slip to us. They love him.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

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One thing you'll find with my picks is that I don't buy into this "so and so loves him" kind of stuff.

Sometimes the rumours are right, others they are wrong, and I trust my own judgement of the players, having seen them as much as I have, to get it right.

Yes, it was clear to all that Grant was going to the Bulldogs at 5, but I had him rated at 12 in my phantom draft last year.

Needs and simply how I rate each player determine who I pick.

 

[beaver fever]

Re: Draft Discussion

Needs should only come into play when 2 or more players of different positions are available and are rated of similar quality in my opinion.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Re: Draft Discussion

In saying that, if Trengove was around, I'd have had no hesitation in picking him up, and I have him at 8 on my overall rankings.

 

[_RT_]

Re: Draft Discussion

The Official BigFooty Phantom Draft has kicked off; always some high quality discussion.

Worth a read for all draft followers.

Pick 8 was what I'd consider a relatively easy one, I merely picked the guy I believe to be best available, and it makes our midfield extremely potent.

But it is with the later picks where it gets really interesting.

If you wish to congratulate/criticise/ask questions of my picks, do so here or on the thread itself.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=515196

Firstly let me say I'm not the most knowledgeable poster when it comes to the kids in this years draft. However, I do have an opinion which is based on spending a fair bit of time reading as many opinions about the kids as possible from as many different sources as possible. Using this method I believe I get a rough idea as to where the players might fall in the draft.

Personally I'm hoping we get McKernan with pick 8. Not the most popular opinion on this board, but if we all just simply agreed with each other this place would be as lively as Chernobyl. The reason I like the idea of picking up McKernan is fits into the area on the list that gives us the most concern and that is KP forward. McKernan would, IMO, address that issue almost immediately. Has the size to play AFL next year if needed if not would almost certainly be a player come 2010.

Having said that I would be just as happy to add Hartlett to the list if it panned out that way, its just that I don't think the midfield is an area that causes as much concern as our lack of young KP forwards does.

 

[beaver fever]

Re: Draft Discussion

Surprising RT, not that long ago you were saying our depth in key forwards was fine

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Re: Draft Discussion

Firstly let me say I'm not the most knowledgeable poster when it comes to the kids in this years draft. However, I do have an opinion which is based on spending a fair bit of time reading as many opinions about the kids as possible from as many different sources as possible. Using this method I believe I get a rough idea as to where the players might fall in the draft.

Personally I'm hoping we get McKernan with pick 8. Not the most popular opinion on this board, but if we all just simply agreed with each other this place would be as lively as Chernobyl. The reason I like the idea of picking up McKernan is fits into the area on the list that gives us the most concern and that is KP forward. McKernan would, IMO, address that issue almost immediately. Has the size to play AFL next year if needed if not would almost certainly be a player come 2010.

Having said that I would be just as happy to add Hartlett to the list if it panned out that way, its just that I don't think the midfield is an area that causes as much concern as our lack of young KP forwards does.

Thanks for your opinion, and I do agree with McKernan addressing the needs of the list, but I don't rate him in my top 10 at the moment, so went with my man at number 4, despite him not fitting our needs anywhere near as much.

McKernan is athletic and impressive, with a good leap, but I get worried about these under-sized Ruckmen/CHF's, and McKernan just doesn't strike me as being top class at either. He's got a lot of upside, yes, but is very much a boom or bust pick. He floats in and out of games too much for my liking, is inconsistent, and he isn't as good on the lead as I would like.

 

[_RT_]

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Surprising RT, not that long ago you were saying our depth in key forwards was fine

That was before we delisted a potential KP forward and that was on top if it it being all but confirmed that another option has had their career ended prematurely. Given those circumstances, I guess it is ok to change my opinion.

Thanks for your opinion, and I do agree with McKernan addressing the needs of the list, but I don't rate him in my top 10 at the moment, so went with my man at number 4, despite him not fitting our needs anywhere near as much.

McKernan is athletic and impressive, with a good leap, but I get worried about these under-sized Ruckmen/CHF's, and McKernan just doesn't strike me as being top class at either. He's got a lot of upside, yes, but is very much a boom or bust pick. He floats in and out of games too much for my liking, is inconsistent, and he isn't as good on the lead as I would like.

As I said not the most popular opinion on the board, but one I'm prepared to stick with. I know a lot of people see him as a risk but I would hate to pass him up and go the safe option and then see him become a very good KP forward for another team, it would be way too painful, especially after the last bloke we passed over turned out to be a freak. I just believe that at his height and weight, as well as his agility and leap he would make a very good CHF.

Despite that I wouldn't be slitting my wrists if we were to nab someone like Hartlett either.

 

[beaver fever]

Re: Draft Discussion

That was before we delisted a potential KP forward and that was on top if it it being all but confirmed that another option has had their career ended prematurely. Given those circumstances, I guess it is ok to change my opinion.

So losing a project player in Gourdis and a fringe player in Polak and all of a sudden our key forward stocks are our most pressing need. Perhaps it's time you start basing your opinions on some decent analysis in the future RT, because even with those two on the list and healthy, our key forward stocks would still be a pressing need.

 

[PHX]

Re: Draft Discussion

Id like to know who this vast majority is?Adrian Caruso[Does the stats etc for up and coming kids]rated Cotchin ahead of kruezer.He went onto say that Melb will pick Watts on a more of a needs basis,The exact point i was pointing out to Beaver.Not all 1st rnd picks goes on the best basis.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that you believe more people thought Cotchin should have been the number 1 pick ahead of Kruezer last year? Kruezer was clearly touted as number 1, it may have been to Cotch's loss (our win) that he was injured but it made Kruezer stand out as number 1.

Also, Carlton chose him at number one and we know through the book, "the Draft" that Hawthorn and Adelaide both had him at number 1 as well.

Kruezer was the highest rated player going into last years draft.

 

[rado]

Re: Draft Discussion

So losing a project player in Gourdis and a fringe player in Polak and all of a sudden our key forward stocks are our most pressing need. Perhaps it's time you start basing your opinions on some decent analysis in the future RT, because even with those two on the list and healthy, our key forward stocks would still be a pressing need.

Polak was definately not a fringe player. he was a very good player last and this year with a big body and an elite mark. he is 23-24 as well so he was about to enter his prime and i wudnt of been surprised if he became one of our top 5 players...
definately a very big loss if he cannot return to his best.

 

[PHX]

Re: Draft Discussion

Chose the best available TFLUA.

Trengove was quite the jumper in that phantom but if it gives us Hartlett I'll be very pleased.

Be interesting to see if you stick with best available or go for "best tall" with your next pick.