Draft discusson thread

[Postman_Pav]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

Anyone who thinks Polec is slow and poorly skilled is in for a hell of a shock next year.

Can't really go wrong with Polec, Heppel or Gaff.

EH, I've noticed you don't really rate Cripps. Can you tell me a bit about some of your concerns?

I hope you are not refering to me re Polec.

I never said he was slow or had poor skills. I just dont think his skills or pace are as good as sold on Bigfooty. He has above average skills and pace. But given he is going to be playing AFL for his skill and pace, I am not certain they are that far above average to make him an outstanding AFL player. I really like him but part of me thinks people have just assumed that because he's the best outside player in the draft has truckloads of speed and pace. Is he as quick as guys like Hill, Davey, Akermanis (in prime), Griffen etc? Not nearly IMHO.

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

I hope you are not refering to me re Polec.

I never said he was slow or had poor skills. I just dont think his skills or pace are as good as sold on Bigfooty. He has above average skills and pace. But given he is going to be playing AFL for his skill and pace, I am not certain they are that far above average to make him an outstanding AFL player. I really like him but part of me thinks people have just assumed that because he's the best outside player in the draft has truckloads of speed and pace.

Given your stated preference for solid certainty over possible game winning ability, can I confirm that you would have taken Rich ahead of Hill?

 

[Postman_Pav]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

Given your stated preference for solid certainty over possible game winning ability, can I confirm that you would have taken Rich ahead of Hill?

Tough call. I knew Hill would go alot higher than most on Bigfooty etc. Depending on the club I was at, I would have probably gone Rich still because he tested really quite well, especially for pace which was something I was worried about. Tbh, I dont think the Rich v Hill thing is decided either. Both outstanding young players.

That said, I believe Hill had a much clearer ability to break games open than Polec. Hill has ELITE speed and ELITE skill. Thats what you want from a 'gamebreaker'. As I have alluded to, my issue with Polec is that he has GOOD speed and GOOD skill.

 

[Mattman93]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

Tough call. I knew Hill would go alot higher than most on Bigfooty etc. Depending on the club I was at, I would have probably gone Rich still because he tested really quite well, especially for pace which was something I was worried about. Tbh, I dont think the Rich v Hill thing is decided either. Both outstanding young players.

That said, I believe Hill had a much clearer ability to break games open than Polec. Hill has ELITE speed and ELITE skill. Thats what you want from a 'gamebreaker'. As I have alluded to, my issue with Polec is that he has GOOD speed and GOOD skill.

The thing is though that Polec has inside ability, he's great in traffic. Hill has elite pace and elite skill as a pure wingman, where as I see Polec as more of a dynamic inside and outside mid.

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

Tough call. I knew Hill would go alot higher than most on Bigfooty etc. Depending on the club I was at, I would have probably gone Rich still because he tested really quite well, especially for pace which was something I was worried about. Tbh, I dont think the Rich v Hill thing is decided either. Both outstanding young players.

That said, I believe Hill had a much clearer ability to break games open than Polec. Hill has ELITE speed and ELITE skill. Thats what you want from a 'gamebreaker'. As I have alluded to, my issue with Polec is that he has GOOD speed and GOOD skill.

Although Polec has shown game breaking ability at every level including SANFL.

Unlike Rich, Gaff doesn't appear to have any single game breaking/damaging skill. I mean Rich always had the lethal left foot kick. Gaff seems to have "elite tank" as his only clearly elite level skill .... I mean if this was Rich v Polec, its Rich every time ... but Gaff isn't that good...

We need a game changer and I reckon the right skill set doesn't have to include elite speed ... its preferred but not necessary and its not like we would be choosing Polec over "the highest rated mid" as Freo did with Hill .. Gaff is, at best, third best mid in this draft ...

I reckon we need game changing players and would choose Polec or Heppel over Gaff ....

 

[richy4]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

Although Polec has shown game breaking ability at every level including SANFL.

Unlike Rich, Gaff doesn't appear to have any single game breaking/damaging skill. I mean Rich always had the lethal left foot kick. Gaff seems to have "elite tank" as his only clearly elite level skill .... I mean if this was Rich v Polec, its Rich every time ... but Gaff isn't that good...

We need a game changer and I reckon the right skill set doesn't have to include elite speed ... its preferred but not necessary and its not like we would be choosing Polec over "the highest rated mid" as Freo did with Hill .. Gaff is, at best, third best mid in this draft ...

I reckon we need game changing players and would choose Polec or Heppel over Gaff ....

I liked your post. but will Hepell ever be a game changing player?

 

[dext]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

I liked your post. but will Hepell ever be a game changing player?

Most out of anyone available IMO. Gets plenty of it playing midfeild and breaks the game open with his long pin point passing.

 

[richy4]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

Most out of anyone available IMO. Gets plenty of it playing midfeild and breaks the game open with his long pin point passing.

Will he have time though In the AFL to pinpoint those passes? especially considering he isn't very quick and doesn't look too big to be able to break tackles. But can all improve in time.

 

[adagio]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

Will he have time though In the AFL to pinpoint those passes? especially considering he isn't very quick and doesn't look too big to be able to break tackles. But can all improve in time.

He moves pretty quickly actually. Not blistering acceleration but that can be improved. He's got an outstanding vertical leap on him so that indicates sprint coaches will have some power and spring to work with.

He's also pretty well developed for a kid (80kg), and once he's fully filled out he'll be a big boy I imagine, around the 87-89kg mark. He'll be extremely hard to tackle then.

So yes, as you say, all can be improved in time!

 

[richy4]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

He moves pretty quickly actually. Not blistering acceleration but that can be improved. He's got an outstanding vertical leap on him so that indicates sprint coaches will have some power and spring to work with.

He's also pretty well developed for a kid (80kg), and once he's fully filled out he'll be a big boy I imagine, around the 87-89kg mark. He'll be extremely hard to tackle then.

So yes, as you say, all can be improved in time!

haha you have me sold on him

i was just worried about his athletic ability. What we need is the best kick and he seems to be that.

im 80kgs and im 6 ft, his much taller than that isnt he? he looks a bit skinny but thats always possible to improve on(unless your name is notte)

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

Re: Josh Caddy for me!!

The thing is though that Polec has inside ability, he's great in traffic. Hill has elite pace and elite skill as a pure wingman, where as I see Polec as more of a dynamic inside and outside mid.

Spot on, if there's one thing WC recruiters like its well rounded midfielders. They dont buy into this "inside-outside" jargon, you should be able to get your own ball and use it (notice priddis will still kick most of his clearances much to the horror of supporters). Shuey Masten Swift Ebert are all prime examples of this.

Wingmen are a different breed. Are we after a wingman or a midfielder? prob both but i think a dynamic mid is the go which is Polec.

 

[adagio]

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haha you have me sold on him

i was just worried about his athletic ability. What we need is the best kick and he seems to be that.

im 80kgs and im 6 ft, his much taller than that isnt he? he looks a bit skinny but thats always possible to improve on(unless your name is notte)

Yeah he's 189cm - at his age might have with another inch in him too. So he'll be athletic, tremendously skilled, smart, clean, powerful, versatile, courageous and strong. And a touted leader.

As you can see he looks pretty strong already:

I'm sold on him anyway. I honestly can't see any reason why we wouldn't take him, and I hope the recruiting staff are thinking the same thing. To me, he's the only player that even comes close to making the pain of coming last worthwhile.

 

[richy4]

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Yeah he's 189cm - at his age might have with another inch in him too. So he'll be athletic, tremendously skilled, smart, clean, powerful, versatile, courageous and strong. And a touted leader.

As you can see he looks pretty strong already:

I'm sold on him anyway. I honestly can't see any reason why we wouldn't take him, and I hope the recruiting staff are thinking the same thing. To me, he's the only player that even comes close to making the pain of coming last worthwhile.

yeah he looks pretty solid there, i have got no problems with him then. Just with the bigfooty talk on here i assumed he was slow.

Woosh said it was between Gaff and Hepell, i sure hope they pick him. But few people have mentioned they've chosen gaff already, but who knows.

 

[dext]

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Yeah he's 189cm - at his age might have with another inch in him too. So he'll be athletic, tremendously skilled, smart, clean, powerful, versatile, courageous and strong. And a touted leader.

As you can see he looks pretty strong already:

I'm sold on him anyway. I honestly can't see any reason why we wouldn't take him, and I hope the recruiting staff are thinking the same thing. To me, he's the only player that even comes close to making the pain of coming last worthwhile.

I'm with u. Got a nice frame with wide shoulders too so will add some strength easily unlike gaff who is going to be a small midfielder his whole career. Will be disappointed if we don't take him

 

[Eagle87]

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yeah he looks pretty solid there, i have got no problems with him then. Just with the bigfooty talk on here i assumed he was slow.

Woosh said it was between Gaff and Hepell, i sure hope they pick him. But few people have mentioned they've chosen gaff already, but who knows.

I've been overseas last couple of weeks, when did Woosh say that?

 

[Pat_Footy]

Re: Draft discussion thread

I've been overseas last couple of weeks, when did Woosh say that?

He didn't...

 

[Prem87]

Re: Draft discussion thread

During his press conference at the time trial it were reporters throwing those names at him, he never said it's between any 2 players.

 

[Patron]

I am now in the Heppell camp. I reckon with his extra few cm's he is very goddard like. Has a similar frame at 189cm is already nearly as tall as goddard who's 191. Could grow a few more centre-metres is very strong overhead and probably has a better leap than goddard. very similar pace aswell. Goddard tested 2.96. Heppell tested 2.99.

Sheppard and heppell could rotate between back flank and midfield there whole careers so im not worried about him maybe not definetely being a set midfielder.

 

[richy4]

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He didn't...

pretty sure he did on the opening day of pre-season. could be wrong

 

[adagio]

I am now in the Heppell camp. I reckon with his extra few cm's he is very goddard like. Has a similar frame at 189cm is already nearly as tall as goddard who's 191. Could grow a few more centre-metres is very strong overhead and probably has a better leap than goddard. very similar pace aswell. Goddard tested 2.96. Heppell tested 2.99.

Sheppard and heppell could rotate between back flank and midfield there whole careers so im not worried about him maybe not definetely being a set midfielder.

Gee bandwagon-jumper much? (It's alright everyone is welcome aboard!)

If you back through the forums I was virtually the first one into Sheppard this time last year too. Even before it emerged the club was taking him I was trying to convince everyone how much more complete he was than Jetta and Lucas.

Hoping for a repeat this year

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Gee bandwagon-jumper much? (It's alright everyone is welcome aboard!)

If you back through the forums I was virtually the first one into Sheppard this time last year too. Even before it emerged the club was taking him I was trying to convince everyone how much more complete he was than Jetta and Lucas.

Hoping for a repeat this year

Is that so?

Post your earliest pump up of Heppell on this board and we will see just how early you were on him.

 

[DrTomSwift]

The first post adagio mentions Heppell was the 12th of September.

He didn't want him.

Sam Butler says hi.

Other than him and Hurn, the likes of Waters, Smith, Sheppard, Stevenson, Embley and Strijk are all extremely capable off half-back.

While we could obviously squeeze Heppell into our 22, someone like Lynch, Polec, Smith or Gaff would certainly appear a more appropriate selection.

 

[Pat_Footy]

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pretty sure he did on the opening day of pre-season. could be wrong

He didn't like the other poster said.

The press were questioning him and firing names at him. All he said was home state doesn't come into the first round pick. He said he knew the names of the players but the recruiting staff still need to suss it all out.

It would be silly of him to name players anyway.

 

[adagio]

The first post adagio mentions Heppell was the 12th of September.

He didn't want him.

Wow... way to quote me out of context to suit your own agenda

Here is the post I was responding to:

Disagree entirely that WCE don't need a half back flanker. Finishing 16th, I don't think you could complain with any decent backmen. None of the Eagles defenders, apart from Hurn, can use the football by foot. Heppell has this ability and can also move into the midfield. Sheppard will have to move into the midfield in years to come.

I was defending the state of our list. I don't think anyone here would disagree with my post - we do have plenty of half-backs.

Never did I ever say that I didn't want Heppell, just that positionally someone like Gaff might be more suited to our midfield. This fact still remains. However IMO Heppell is a more complete player and has the versatility to make it all over the field - preferably at different times in the same game, ala Goddard.

 

[adagio]

Sorry I don't know how to search post history, though this thread confirms I've been into Heppell for at least a month now - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=763657

Not that it matters anyway.. What I meant was that I was into Sheppard at this time last year, ie. 2-3 weeks out from the draft, and from my memory not many others were at that stage. I realise that this time around many others have been into Heppell for a long time now.

The lighthearted bandwagon jibe for Patronij was because of his prior certainty we'll take Gaff. Might be getting him mixed up with another poster - again, no idea how to check this!