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Look back through time and you'll find that the competition's champion talls were chosen either right at the front of the draft, or as father-son selections; three of the top six last year were talls. Clubs figure that they can get their midfielder later on, or the following year - there are more of them. Look at the past three No. 7 picks - Rich, Rhys Palmer and Joel Selwood, all physically mature midfielders ready to plug in and play.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bottom-line-08-draft-a-beauty-20091124-j54l.html - Emma Quay on 2008 draft
 
I have a good feeling Darling's gonna slide.

4: Gaff
26: Darling
28: Andreoli

But if he doesnt I'll still be very happy with this:

4: Gaff
26: Cripps
28: Chalwell


So much talent still around at our PP and second round pick, cant wait til draft day!
 
kane249 said:
Brendan Fevola, pick #38
Kurt Tippett, pick #32
Daniel Bradshaw, pick #56

So you don't necessarily get them at the front of the draft for them to be good forwards
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I think the fact your examples include 2 players from a different junior era and one super high risk-high reward pick who hadnt played 20 games of AFL ever says it all
 

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The Falcon Strike said:
Think we need another bloke who can possibly ruck at 26 or 28 - and another one (mature) on the rookie list.

We have 3 ruckmen - can't think of another club who doesn't have 5.
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Meh. Who needs half a dozen ruckmen when you have Naitanui?

The days of the 2nd ruckman in a 22 are severely endangered anyway. If we were to grab someone like Chalwell who can pinchit for a 5min a quarter that's all you need really.
 
adagio said:
Meh. Who needs half a dozen ruckmen when you have Naitanui?

The days of the 2nd ruckman in a 22 are severely endangered anyway. If we were to grab someone like Chalwell who can pinchit for a 5min a quarter that's all you need really.
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I don't suppose you have heard of injuries?

If chalwell can ruck - than he would be considered a ruckmen in my book.

Last thing we want is to have to ruck Kennedy or Brown and they get injured
 
IMO, that would be ideal for WC, but very unlikely.

4. Polec/Gaff
26. Lamb/Darling
28. Lycett

If this were to transpire, WC fill their most pressing needs with quality. The alternatives are marked second.

If Lycett slid to pick 26, WC could wait till 28 considering Brisbane's Ruck stocks. They have more pressing concerns than to take Lycett at 27.
 
If Lycett is available at 26 I think we'd be stupid not to take him. One major injury to Cox and he could be finished. Id be happy to go KPP and Ruck (or KPP and ruck/KPP hybrid) at 26 and 28. I admit that quality midfielders are lacking, but not as much as quality key forwards and rucks. A KPF/Ruck hybrid and a mid would also work though.
 
I really like the idea of taking 2 KPP/Ruck in the draft if good talls are available take them, at the moment if Kennedy or Wilson get injured or worse still, both at once who will we turn to, Lynch and Hansen. Hansen might not even be there next year.
We all know KPP players take longer to develop, we are much better off taking them ASAP.
 

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Lycett won't get a game though unless Cox or Naitanui are injured. Even then with one less interchange player it seems many teams will be going to one ruckman. I would much rather take a player like Leif Cope in the rookie draft - if he lasts that long.
 
adagio said:
So we need 5 ruckmen clogging the list just in case 4 of them go down?
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In case 3 of them go down - in a position where injuries are notorious.

Every club has 5 ruckmen - or guys that can ruck - a number have 6

Cox does his groin again and Lynch gets injured playing for West Perth - do we now expect a 20 year old to ruck solo?

You need 5 rucks - it's getting the age balance right that is important.

Another rookie around 18 - possible a F/Ruck mix - and another around 22/23 that can sit on the rookie list.

As an example - Freo have Sandi, Clarke, MJ, Bradley and now Griffen.

They would have drafted Griffen - not so much to play many games - but to avoid the situation they had this year when silvagni was forced to ruck.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
Think we need another bloke who can possibly ruck at 26 or 28 - and another one (mature) on the rookie list.

We have 3 ruckmen - can't think of another club who doesn't have 5.
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Was thinking the same thing, especially as we upgraded Sulivan last year because it was not good policy to have just 2 ruckmen in the senior list.

Maybe Gorringe or Lycett at 4? - as it would be easier to find good mids at 26,28 or maybe were not after mids at all
 
worsfold said:
Was thinking the same thing, especially as we upgraded Sulivan last year because it was not good policy to have just 2 ruckmen in the senior list.

Maybe Gorringe or Lycett at 4? - as it would be easier to find good mids at 26,28 or maybe were not after mids at all
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Massive waste if we draft a ruck at 4. Naitanui will be our ruck for many years to come and with the upcoming interchange rules people will go with a setup of 1 ruck and one part timer for relief. So whoever we draft at 4, unless they can play other positions like a key forward will be wasted rotting away in the WAFL unless the can knock Naitanui off as the number on ruck.

The reason we failed so dismally this year wasn't due to our rucks or key position players, it was due to the sub standard skills of our players and their kicking so drafting a ruck or Darling at 4 will not address our main problems. Getting players in who can hit targets should be our main priority and will hopefully force the likes of McGinnity, Dalziell, Ebert and co who can't kick to either lift their game or get dropped.
 
Is no one questioning the wide-spread assumption that the days of two ruckmen are dead?

I still think there could be benefits to playing 2 rucks, especially if both are flexible and can rest forward without being huge liabilities.

I think Naitanui will be flexible enough in the future to be played with a more traditional ruckman, albeit not a dinosaur such as Blake or someone.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
In case 3 of them go down - in a position where injuries are notorious.

Every club has 5 ruckmen - or guys that can ruck - a number have 6

Cox does his groin again and Lynch gets injured playing for West Perth - do we now expect a 20 year old to ruck solo?

You need 5 rucks - it's getting the age balance right that is important.

Another rookie around 18 - possible a F/Ruck mix - and another around 22/23 that can sit on the rookie list.

As an example - Freo have Sandi, Clarke, MJ, Bradley and now Griffen.

They would have drafted Griffen - not so much to play many games - but to avoid the situation they had this year when silvagni was forced to ruck.
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IMO we should pick up a ruckman as a rookie, even mature aged would do. Then we would have 4 rucks plus a Schofield (ala Johnson at Freo) as a 5th backup to the backup ruckman.

We need to draft 2 skillfull mids who can kick and 1 KP forward (who could possibly pinch hit in the ruck) with our 3 ND picks.
 

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Obeanie1 said:
IMO we should pick up a ruckman as a rookie, even mature aged would do. Then we would have 4 rucks plus a Schofield (ala Johnson at Freo) as a 5th backup to the backup ruckman.

We need to draft 2 skillfull mids who can kick and 1 KP forward (who could possibly pinch hit in the ruck) with our 3 ND picks.
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That would be a perfect result

Would give us our 5 ruckmen

FF/Ruck as one prospect.

The rookie should (IMO) be a more mature ruck around 22-24. Though I reckon we'll take Rix
 
Obeanie1 said:
I've read on here that Rix has been getting better with age / experience. Has dropped a few kg's as well.

How old is Rix?
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He'll be 30 by season start - so too old in my book

But i reckon we'll take him

Skipper another option being a WA boy - actually played ok for the hawks this year.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
He'll be 30 by season start - so too old in my book

But i reckon we'll take him

Skipper another option being a WA boy - actually played ok for the hawks this year.
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Is Skipper a WA lad?

Much rather Skipper than Rix, younger and yes a couple of times this year I thought he played very well. Actually did the 1%ers, blocked, sheppards and field kicking was good. A couple of plays he looked a lot better than a rookie listed ruckman.

Much better backup option and unless he is re-rookied by Hawks we could get him cheap later in the rookie draft.
 
We definitely need another ruckman as back up. I'm thinking we should rookie Luke Adams, Wayde Skipper, Michael Rix or Paul Johnson (Ex-Eagle, just de-listed by Melbourne, only).
 
maxrm said:
We definitely need another ruckman as back up. I'm thinking we should rookie Luke Adams, Wayde Skipper, Michael Rix or Paul Johnson (Ex-Eagle, just de-listed by Melbourne, only).
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Luke Adams is our kid.

He's 198cm tall, 93kg and was fantastic at Swans this year despite only playing about 4 games. He was still awarded a premiership medallion by Swans such was his impact in the games he played.

Missed a lot of footy this year through injury but more impact injuries rather then soft tissue.

Otherwise I'd consider Skipper. Or perhaps look at Tom Derickx

Not interested in Rix or Johnson.
 
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