Draft discusson thread

[Ambrose Burnside]

He probably isn't but he fills a strong need. Maybe we don't have any great faith in the guys we recruited last year? I would say this is likely to happen. The Perth media seem pretty good at getting the scoop on local prospects but struggle with the interstaters, which is probably why they are unable to give us a clear picture on who we will take at pick #4.

I hope not, from everything I've read (and when not injured) Neates, Broome, Weedon and (especially, considering he played good, solid AFL footy this year) Hams have been coming along nicely, albeit at different stages of development.

Anyone hear anything different?

 

[Pat_Footy]

He only got lvl 10 on a beep test... that's pretty bad. Even the cops have to get higher than that to qualify. Lvl 10 is where it starts to get hard but most people can keep going and start dropping off after lvl 11

 

[Obeanie1]

Interesting article on the AFL over the weekend about recruiting rucks and the new interchange rule. Basically was saying that talls who could ruck plus play as a KP forward ala Ottens have now shot up in value due to the interchange rule. Teams will place a premium on rucks who can play elsewhere basically.

So with the Eagles chasing a project ruckman I was wondering if we might go the other way since we already have NN and pick up a bargain. What I'm saying is that some very good young ruckmen who are not that great playing forward will slide, teams may overlook them because they are simply ruckmen. NN looks like he has the veratility to play deep forward for periods of a game so maybe we should chase the best pure ruckman to back him up in 2>3 years when Cox retires?

Sure if a good versitile ruck is available we will grab them but we may be smart picking up a very good pure ruckman at a lower pick.

Just a thought.

 

[WCE_phil]

I was hoping for ugle to slide for our psd or our first rookie pick. While i wouldn't rate him as a second rounder this is a compromised draft and at pick 29 it wouldnt be that huge a reach. I'd probably rate him at the end of the third round of a normal draft. Which is around pick 50.

 

[ndot]

ugle would be worthwhile risk IMO

i'm all for drafting for talent rather than athleticism.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I don't think we would draft Ugle if his attitude is poor, is a stretch at 29 but we have said we will be drafting for needs and in our recruiters eyes he may be the best small forward available. Have a feeling we will be drafting local with our 2nd and 3rd picks so may be more like best small fwd available from WA.

Reminds me of Alwyn Davey, but he is another midget at 171cm.

 

[Mattman93]

The article suggests we'd be looking at Ugle at pick 26. I can't see it, there's bound to be a few top prospects last until then.

 

[Avalor]

The article suggests we'd be looking at Ugle at pick 26. I can't see it, there's bound to be a few top prospects last until then.

Interesting, remembering Troy Ugle, I thought Kirk Ugle would be indigenous, but looking at that photo, he doesn't look it at all. I read about this kid quite a while ago and thought, 'yeah he's the one for us' but such a bad beep test doesn't inspire me. His attitude and professionalism would have to be queried, wouldn't it? I think any junior player would beat a level 10 beep test, even the fat boy they shove in the back pocket. Still, obviously the talent is there, but jeez!!!!

 

[Suma Magic]

Interesting article on the AFL over the weekend about recruiting rucks and the new interchange rule. Basically was saying that talls who could ruck plus play as a KP forward ala Ottens have now shot up in value due to the interchange rule. Teams will place a premium on rucks who can play elsewhere basically.

So with the Eagles chasing a project ruckman I was wondering if we might go the other way since we already have NN and pick up a bargain. What I'm saying is that some very good young ruckmen who are not that great playing forward will slide, teams may overlook them because they are simply ruckmen. NN looks like he has the veratility to play deep forward for periods of a game so maybe we should chase the best pure ruckman to back him up in 2>3 years when Cox retires?

Sure if a good versitile ruck is available we will grab them but we may be smart picking up a very good pure ruckman at a lower pick.

Just a thought.

I think you are spot on here, great point about relative value of traditional ruckmen. With Nat being fairly versatile I think we could pair with with either types of ruckman, pure or hybrid.

Dream draft would be Darling and Lycett at 26 and 29, as unrealistic as that may be.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Now that would be a punt - a bloke playing 4 games of colts.

Personally I would be disappointed - you only need 1 genuine crumbing forward in your team and we already have a couple of possibilities.

Would rather take 2 midfielders and a KP or Ruck.

 

[Mattman93]

Interesting, remembering Troy Ugle, I thought Kirk Ugle would be indigenous, but looking at that photo, he doesn't look it at all.

He's a cousin of Jamie Bennell, so I imagine he is indigenous.

 

[lewigie]

Yes he is. Plays midfield for Carey Park down here.

 

[Obeanie1]

If we take Ugle at 26 I will instantly convert to the GM Club and think our recruiters and coaches are simply not up to the job and have lost the plot.

Anyone who has a beep test that bad has some serious endurance issues and work ethic issues. And with the likes of Hams, Weedon and Neates why would we waste pick 26 on this kid. Pick 29 is a big enough stretch but 26 is plain crazy talk.

Rookie list him.

 

[freoshark]

If we take Ugle at 26 I will instantly convert to the GM Club and think our recruiters and coaches are simply not up to the job and have lost the plot.

Anyone who has a beep test that bad has some serious endurance issues and work ethic issues. And with the likes of Hams, Weedon and Neates why would we waste pick 26 on this kid. Pick 29 is a big enough stretch but 26 is plain crazy talk.

Rookie list him.

Spoke to an EF colts player this morning - he has never heard of Ugle. He played 4 colts for seven goals!! Less than 1.5 goals per colts game, not actually a ringing endorsment!! I think I could run a 10 beep, one of the colts boys was told by St Kilda that if he didnt run a 13+ beep they wouldnt even consider him. Surely the West fishing for a story??

 

[sTeeL]

I ran a 12.1 beep test earlier this year. Time to sign up to next years draft.

PS This is a bloody joke. The guy obviously has no work ethic. 10 is ridiculous and I cannot believe they'd waste a pick in the 20's on him.

 

[Obeanie1]

I ran a 12.1 beep test earlier this year. Time to sign up to next years draft.

PS This is a bloody joke. The guy obviously has no work ethic. 10 is ridiculous and I cannot believe they'd waste a pick in the 20's on him.

Unless the club hinted that it was going to grab him and told him to ease up with his beep test efforts?

Which is probably draft tampering or some such. It just sounds too weird, he is a rookie list option not pick 29 and sure as hell not pick 26.

 

[wcesam]

Really hope we don't take him. Would much rather Eades. The beep test result is concerning, how is it possible a bloke who plays footy only gets a 10? Possible injury issues, or maybe some other issues affecting his cardio like Notte had?

 

[Postman_Pav]

Ugle was flown over to Melb by the Pies so they could check his back. Therefore i'd suggest that his back has been an pretty serious issue for him and could have impeded his beep.

Anyway, from what i've seen you would be paying over the odds at 26/29. Thats why its not bad thing to have later picks - you can take fliers on guys like this and not have to overpay to get something you need.

 

[EagleMan87]

I ran a 12.1 beep test earlier this year. Time to sign up to next years draft.

PS This is a bloody joke. The guy obviously has no work ethic. 10 is ridiculous and I cannot believe they'd waste a pick in the 20's on him.

Yep, I smoke and don't play sports and even I can make it into the late 11s. It's pathetic that an athlete struggles to make that.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Ugle was flown over to Melb by the Pies so they could check his back. Therefore i'd suggest that his back has been an pretty serious issue for him and could have impeded his beep.

Anyway, from what i've seen you would be paying over the odds at 26/29. Thats why its not bad thing to have later picks - you can take fliers on guys like this and not have to overpay to get something you need.

How dare you suggest we take more than the absolute minimum during the national draft, that is outrageous!

How could we keep all the deadwood on our list and still take a 3rd/4th rounder?

 

[BOND 007]

At this time of the year there is an awful amount of misinformation being DELIBERATELY spread by clubs in order to get preferred players to slide :

-- i.e. Conca situation - Emma Quayle suggested that Richmond are looking at him for #6 - Really ?. This strikes me as a perfect example of Richmond trying to create doubt in the minds of the recruiters at WC (in particular given Conca is from WA) and Brissie as to whether they guys they have inked in are the correct decisions. It reads as Richmond wants either Gaff or Heppell and believing that both will go before their pick, they are simply upping the ante hoping for a late change in mind at WC or Brissie.

i.e. Ugle - Whilst Weedon last year was a stretch, Ugle is just too far. By throwing Ugle's name out there WC may be hoping it forces the hand of another club to take him early thereby allowing for a more preferred selection to slide.

Lots of poker at this time - clubs wants others to blink

 

[Eastern Rangers]

If we take Ugle at 26 I will instantly convert to the GM Club and think our recruiters and coaches are simply not up to the job and have lost the plot.

Anyone who has a beep test that bad has some serious endurance issues and work ethic issues. And with the likes of Hams, Weedon and Neates why would we waste pick 26 on this kid. Pick 29 is a big enough stretch but 26 is plain crazy talk.

Rookie list him.

This.

I have my heart set on Ben Newton. Could be the next LeCras with his strong marking, silky skills and an ability to kick both goals and get large numbers. Kirk Ugle in the PSD/ Rookie.

 

[Kaboodleer]

He only got lvl 10 on a beep test... that's pretty bad. Even the cops have to get higher than that to qualify. Lvl 10 is where it starts to get hard but most people can keep going and start dropping off after lvl 11

I had a friend recently join the police force and they stopped the beep at 6.10 at the fitness testing (which some people still didn't make) lulz.

10 for a potential draftee is horrible though no way should be be taken in the ND unless there is a serious injury involved.

 

[southjoy]

Yep, I smoke and don't play sports and even I can make it into the late 11s. It's pathetic that an athlete struggles to make that.

Late 11's not bad at all. you must have some talent

 

[southjoy]

Kirk Ugle played State 15's a few years ago in the Wa second team. Played very well where the states second team came third nationally.
Very quick footed player who reads the play exceptionally well. Knows when to lead up and when to find space. A very good long raking left foot. Very slim and not tall. Not certain how much he really wants it. poor beep test would of been because of his back, however he is still not in the ranks of endurance players.
I like Bonds call on Ducks and Drakes but am still sure that the club likes Ugle its just a matter of seeing what happens