Carbine Chaos
The Gaff-er
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Constable slid for a reason. Very glad we didn’t get him.
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Are you talking about around 43 seconds in when they say "you wouldn't want to be passing both of them"?WCE were clearly intending to draft Brander or Allen at Pick 13 depending on who was available so too get both was a dream come true for the recruiters and now myself ..
http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/video/2017-11-24/inside-the-eagles-draft-room
Brander looked very classy and unstoppable so check out Allies v Vic Metro U18 game I wanted to draft him but actually thought Freo may have picked him up at the time .
yes , the 2 players were Brander and Allen ..Are you talking about around 43 seconds in when they say "you wouldn't want to be passing both of them"?
Saw Rawlings with his family yesterday at our local park event, I seem to bump into him quite often around here, must live local, wanted to ask him why they didn't grab Worpel, Miers or Hayes but also didn't want to intrude on his privacy. That video gave me the impression we didn't really have a good idea of our game plan which was evident when we went for Ryan so early and took extra time at one stage also fairly early on.WCE were clearly intending to draft Brander or Allen at Pick 13 depending on who was available so too get both was a dream come true for the recruiters and now myself ..
http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/video/2017-11-24/inside-the-eagles-draft-room
Brander looked very classy and unstoppable so check out Allies v Vic Metro U18 game I wanted to draft him but actually thought Freo may have picked him up at the time .
Pick 13: Jarrod Brander - I'm neutral on this, think we should've taken Higgins here (or Allen to ensure we got Kelly).
Pick 21: Oscar Allen - Tim Kelly was a must here. He was one who fitted our needs best and would've played round one - terrible pick.
Pick 26: Liam Ryan - While others might be melting I don't really care. The only ones at this point who stood out to me were Worpel and Constable, and we could've had those with later picks anyway. Too early though.
Pick 32: Brayden Ainsworth - I don't really mind this pick tbh. Was a massive reach and we missed out on Constable, but I'm not too fussed.
Pick 37: Jake Petrucelle - Potentially the next Ash Smith imo, not too bad but would've rather picked Worpel here.
Pick 68: Hamish Brayshaw - Perfect pick, nothing wrong with this.
Overall, I think it should've gone like this:
1. Jack Higgins
2. Tim Kelly
3. Oscar Allen
4. James Worpel/Charlie Constable
5. Brayden Ainsworth/Liam Ryan
So we basically missed out on Worpel, Kelly, Constable and Higgins - if we picked just 2 of them, the draft would've looked a whole lot better.
I give this a C-. I'm bitterly disappointed over missing Kelly, but I'm still looking forward to what Ryan and Allen can accomplish in the Wings.
Alternatively, if I had to summarise the draft with one word, it would be "meh".
Brander - Need to keep our KPP stocks up as in a couple of years its going to be very thin. A
Allen - Dont see where he will play for us. Will probably be a competent 3rd tall but nothing spectacular. Happy to be proved wrong. D
Ryan - Providing he has sorted his off field issues I think he will be good for us. Maybe picked a bit early but oh well. B
Ainsworth - Will only be a mediocre mid. Will get games but only be fringe. C
Petrucelle - Have a feeling he will be a surprise packet. B
Brayshaw - Think he will be a decent mid and be rated a lot higher than this pick. A
I always laugh when the recruiters get criticised for going with safe, vanilla picks then get crucified for drafting guys like Weedon or Lamb instead of the safe, vanilla pick that was also available.
Given the picks they have available, I think the Eagles tend to do pretty well. The problem (if you can call it that) is that we've been too good to receive the high draft picks you need to draft the A grade talent. There's always the odd one that you look back on with a bit of regret (Lamb over Gov Jnr) but at the time we were all rapt.
The top up strategy over the last couple of years failed. I wasn't a fan, but it has been targeted. Inside grunt (Redden), outside speed (Jetta), football smarts (Mitchell) and a fierce desire to compete/heart (Petrie). All weaknesses I feel we sought to rectify. Even if the real reason we rookied Petrie wasn't specifically to show the pea hearts how to compete We didn't go full Port, we didn't sell the farm.
We nailed 2010 when we had decent picks (albeit not as good as they should have been, thanks Gold Coast): Gaff, Darling, Lycett and McGovern as a rookie. Jesus.
I like the look of this haul. At the time I was dumbfounded we didn't take midfielders with our first couple of picks, and that we took Ryan so high, but looking at their highlights and given what was available, I'm happy. Our first two picks slid, and Ryan's WAFL form over the last two years is undeniable. If he was 18 instead of 21 (and white...) I daresay he would have gone top 5 with a record like that.
Hopefully the fence I'm sitting on doesn't get too uncomfortable
And I'm happy to have been proven wrong. I was worried about his height when we drafted him and thought he would be a Waterman clone.Dat Allen rating!
I actually don't understand what the club is going with Brainus tbh. Like his strengths are his contested abilities and tank but he's shifted to an outside role at AFL level. He's slow, and an average user of the pill and his weaknesses just get exposed on the outside. Guys like Redden and Sheed maybe slow but both are good users of the pill.
Redden's at his best when he's playing a balanced role. Remember reading something from ages ago where he said that he struggled with form when Leppitch bulked him up to play as a pure inside mid. That said agree with his kicking plus his seems to know how to link up well like a most outside players do. Even Sheed does that really well.Old Reddog is a contested beast when he gets time in the guts, but I can see why they trust him out on the wing. The thing I like about Redden on the outside is he won't go for the glamorous kick, or the crazy pin point spear. But he seems to have a huge amount of time and poise, and always seems to make the right decision.
I think it's a really underrated characteristic of Redden that has been almost overshadowed over the years due to his inside beast nature, that he's simply always calm.
WCE vs My choice
13. Brander - Higgins
21. Allen - Allen (would have bid on Naish here so Richmond would have had to match it with their pick 25 used on Balta)
26. Ryan - Balta
32. Ainsworth - Worpel
37. Petrucelle - Ballard
68. Brayshaw - Brayshaw
88. Pass - Garlett
...I think it's a really underrated characteristic of Redden that has been almost overshadowed over the years due to his inside beast nature, that he's simply always calm.
This is what I would have done with who was left on the board with each pick.
Really looking forward to looking back on this thread in 3-4 years to see how well/bad I would have done
13 Higgins
21 Allen
26 Ryan
32 Ballard
38 Worpel
68 Krueger
77 Schloithe
ROYAL EAGLE Barney44 Monocle - Eastern Rangers And any one else who has seen a lot of WAFL footy.
Can you please give me your views on Ainsworth?
I know he was the leading U/18 player at clearances...Apart from this, do I have any reason to get excited.
Why he'd be a better choice than Worpel or Constable for that matter.
The one that worries me the most is Petrucelle.
He looks extremely raw, doesn't look to be able to read the game well at all. Running patterns are reminiscent of a headless Chook from what I can tell from the vids. (may be different live)
He is from a basketball background however, ex basketballers tend to transition well, good 360 vision so that's a positive.
Jayden Laverde = GunIs there a V2 where Dark Sharks gets all worked up about Ely Smith?
Ballard has been very good for GC this year. Underrated youngsterThis is what I would have done with who was left on the board with each pick.
Really looking forward to looking back on this thread in 3-4 years to see how well/bad I would have done
13 Higgins
21 Allen
26 Ryan
32 Ballard
38 Worpel
68 Krueger
77 Schloithe
Agreed. Really like what I see with him.Ballard has been very good for GC this year. Underrated youngster
Hawthorn and Richmond has shown us that you don't win flags without a Rioli.
So if we win a flag while Willie Rioli plays with us, then its because of him
Bumping this thread. Can we now swap Brander for Higgins? Get Constable? Boy, do I wish we had Gryan MiersI'm happy with Allen and Ryan, and would have wanted both. I might not have picked Brayshaw, but I like the selection.
I can see three decisions the club made that I would have made differently.
1. Brander over Higgins.
2. Ainsworth over Constable.
3. Petruccelle over Miers/Moore.
There is also a hypothetical - having passed on Higgins, maybe take Spargo and hope that Ryan is available later instead of Petruccelle.
But I have no reason to believe that my picks would be any better. Every player we chose has a plausible justification, so I won't be whining in future years.
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Hey, I don’t look like too much of a dickhead with my picks. Suck on that all of youse campaigners. BOND 007, if I wasn’t busy and very important in my own job, I’d be asking you for a forwarding address for my resume.OK, time for me to add my 2c to this thread. It's been on my list of things to do for 2 weeks and I thought I'd better actually prioritise my life and get this Bigfooty post done rather than wasting my time at work doing what I'm paid for. I understand that my 2c is not worth a lot these days. My expertise gained from watching a few minutes of Youtube videos along with a proprietary algorithm I have developed to predict the future doesn't really carry a lot of weight.
Pick 13: Jarrod BranderPLAYERCARDSTART31Jarrod Brander
- Age
- 25
- Ht
- 195cm
- Wt
- 92kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 10.3
- 3star
- K
- 7.9
- 3star
- HB
- 2.4
- 2star
- M
- 4.9
- 5star
- T
- 1.0
- 3star
- CL
- 0.3
- 2star
- D
- 12.3
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 3.3
- 2star
- M
- 5.8
- 5star
- T
- 1.3
- 2star
- CL
- 0.5
- 3star
- D
- 9.6
- 3star
- K
- 7.2
- 3star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 1.0
- 3star
- CL
- 0.2
- 2star
PLAYERCARDEND
Slightly Negative.
I would have picked Higgins. I would have had Higgins, Lachlan Fogartyand Oscar AllenPLAYERCARDSTART8Lachlan Fogarty
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 180cm
- Wt
- 76kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 12.8
- 3star
- K
- 7.0
- 3star
- HB
- 5.8
- 4star
- M
- 2.4
- 3star
- T
- 3.6
- 5star
- G
- 0.3
- 3star
No current season stats available
- D
- 15.4
- 4star
- K
- 8.8
- 4star
- HB
- 6.6
- 4star
- M
- 2.6
- 3star
- T
- 3.8
- 5star
- G
- 0.8
- 4star
PLAYERCARDENDas potentials at 13 and would have just gone with Higgins. I can understand the rationale of picking the best KPP rather than the 11th best mid. And I understand the questions about whether Higgins can genuinely move to the midfield, but that would have been my pick.PLAYERCARDSTART12Oscar Allen
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 196cm
- Wt
- 96kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 9.8
- 2star
- K
- 6.6
- 3star
- HB
- 3.2
- 3star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 2.4
- 4star
- G
- 1.1
- 4star
No current season stats available
- D
- 8.6
- 3star
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- 5.8
- 3star
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- 2.8
- 3star
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- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- G
- 1.2
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Pick 21: Oscar AllenPLAYERCARDSTART12Oscar Allen
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 196cm
- Wt
- 96kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 9.8
- 2star
- K
- 6.6
- 3star
- HB
- 3.2
- 3star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 2.4
- 4star
- G
- 1.1
- 4star
No current season stats available
- D
- 8.6
- 3star
- K
- 5.8
- 3star
- HB
- 2.8
- 3star
- M
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- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- G
- 1.2
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Extremely Positive.
I would have picked Allen.
Allen and L Fogarty were in the mix for me at 13, so with both still available at 21 I was pretty ecstatic. With Brander selected at 13, I was really mixed as to whether we should have taken Fogarty over Allen given our need for mids. But with the potential for Allen to transition to midfield, I think this is an ideal pick. Potentially speculative - the idea of Allen to the midfield is probably quite likely to flop (and we end up with another 3rd tall as a fallback plan), but around this area of the draft and with multiple 2nd rounders, I think that is ideal. Exceptionally high upside if he can transition as a big midfielder, and a reasonable floor as a 3rd forward. Not even a consideration of picking Kelly at this point for me.
Pick 26: Liam RyanPLAYERCARDSTART1Liam Ryan
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 76kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.3
- 3star
- K
- 8.6
- 3star
- HB
- 2.7
- 2star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 9.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.0
- 3star
- HB
- 1.9
- 1star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 1.6
- 3star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 11.4
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 1.8
- 4star
- G
- 1.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
Slightly Negative
I would have picked Charlie ConstablePLAYERCARDSTART33Charlie Constable
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 192cm
- Wt
- 86kg
- Pos.
- D/M
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 21.4
- 5star
- K
- 9.0
- 3star
- HB
- 12.4
- 5star
- M
- 4.6
- 4star
- T
- 3.7
- 5star
No current season stats available
- D
- 22.4
- 5star
- K
- 10.0
- 4star
- HB
- 12.4
- 5star
- M
- 4.4
- 4star
- T
- 3.4
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
When listening to the draft live, I was shocked at drafting 3 forwards with our first three picks. I found this pick most difficult to select myself. I was banking on Worpel at 32, so was reluctant to double up with Constable here. But I would have thought he was the best available and fills a position of need as a pure mid. With hindsight (and my raging optimistic bias when it comes to West Coast), I can see the appeal of the selection of Liam Ryanhere. I felt it was a massive reach - but he genuinely has the potential to be a real game-breaker. And at pick 26 (and again with multiple other picks to target 'safer' selections, I can see the reason to reach and guarantee we get our target. Even if it's only a 5-10% chance that Liam RyanPLAYERCARDSTART1Liam Ryan
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 76kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.3
- 3star
- K
- 8.6
- 3star
- HB
- 2.7
- 2star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 9.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.0
- 3star
- HB
- 1.9
- 1star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 1.6
- 3star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 11.4
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 1.8
- 4star
- G
- 1.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDENDbecomes an elite mid-sized forward, that genuine potential to be elite is probably worth reaching for.PLAYERCARDSTART1Liam Ryan
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 76kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.3
- 3star
- K
- 8.6
- 3star
- HB
- 2.7
- 2star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 9.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.0
- 3star
- HB
- 1.9
- 1star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 1.6
- 3star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 11.4
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 1.8
- 4star
- G
- 1.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
Pick 32: Brayden AinsworthPLAYERCARDSTART46Brayden Ainsworth
- Age
- 25
- Ht
- 184cm
- Wt
- 80kg
- Pos.
- M/F
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 13.7
- 4star
- K
- 9.0
- 3star
- HB
- 4.7
- 3star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 4.3
- 5star
- CL
- 1.7
- 4star
No current season stats available
- D
- 13.7
- 4star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 4.7
- 4star
- M
- 3.3
- 4star
- T
- 4.3
- 5star
- CL
- 1.7
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Negative
I would have picked James Worpel(given WCEs picks) or if we'd taken Constable, I would have gone with a bit more x-factor and picked Charlie BallardPLAYERCARDSTART5James Worpel
- Age
- 25
- Ht
- 186cm
- Wt
- 86kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 23.5
- 5star
- K
- 12.2
- 5star
- HB
- 11.3
- 5star
- M
- 2.9
- 3star
- T
- 4.5
- 5star
- CL
- 5.1
- 5star
No current season stats available
- D
- 15.6
- 4star
- K
- 6.2
- 3star
- HB
- 9.4
- 5star
- M
- 1.0
- 1star
- T
- 3.2
- 5star
- CL
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- 4star
PLAYERCARDENDPLAYERCARDSTART10Charlie Ballard
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 196cm
- Wt
- 95kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.8
- 3star
- HB
- 3.1
- 3star
- M
- 4.7
- 4star
- T
- 1.2
- 3star
- MG
- 185.6
- 3star
- D
- 11.3
- 3star
- K
- 7.7
- 3star
- HB
- 3.6
- 2star
- M
- 4.9
- 5star
- T
- 1.3
- 2star
- MG
- 158.9
- 3star
- D
- 9.4
- 3star
- K
- 7.0
- 3star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 3.6
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
- MG
- 156.0
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
With my mock draft and youtube based expertise, Ainsworth was undoubtedly a reach and wasn't on my radar. Worpel was my hope for 32 right from the start and he was available.
Pick 38: Jake Petrucelle
Very Positive
I would have picked Worpel, but do like the outcome with Petrucelle
I also would have been intrigued with a slider in Nathan Murphyor Charlie BallardPLAYERCARDSTART28Nathan Murphy
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 192cm
- Wt
- 90kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.5
- 3star
- K
- 6.5
- 3star
- HB
- 5.0
- 4star
- M
- 2.5
- 3star
- T
- 1.5
- 3star
- MG
- 176.5
- 3star
No current season stats available
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- 11.5
- 3star
- K
- 6.5
- 3star
- HB
- 5.0
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- M
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- 3star
- T
- 1.5
- 4star
- MG
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- 3star
PLAYERCARDENDeven though they don't really seem to fill a need for us. This pick would also be where I would have looked at Liam RyanPLAYERCARDSTART10Charlie Ballard
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 196cm
- Wt
- 95kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.8
- 3star
- HB
- 3.1
- 3star
- M
- 4.7
- 4star
- T
- 1.2
- 3star
- MG
- 185.6
- 3star
- D
- 11.3
- 3star
- K
- 7.7
- 3star
- HB
- 3.6
- 2star
- M
- 4.9
- 5star
- T
- 1.3
- 2star
- MG
- 158.9
- 3star
- D
- 9.4
- 3star
- K
- 7.0
- 3star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 3.6
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
- MG
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- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND, but we'll never know if he would have been available. But overall, I really like the pick of Petrucelle. The speed is enticing and as much as I see the comparison to Ash Smith, I am hoping that Petrucelle is a smart athlete who has a good ability to learn the game, but just lacks the experience as opposed to Smith who just didn't appear to be a smart athlete. Again, with so many picks, it seems that we have been prepared to roll the dice on real upside potential between Allen, Ryan and Petrucelle.PLAYERCARDSTART1Liam Ryan
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 76kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.3
- 3star
- K
- 8.6
- 3star
- HB
- 2.7
- 2star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 9.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.0
- 3star
- HB
- 1.9
- 1star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 1.6
- 3star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 11.4
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
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- 4star
- G
- 1.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
Pick 68: Hamish Brayshaw
Positive
I would have picked Hamish Brayshaw
But only because I don't really know any better and his name was thrown around a bit.
Pick 77: Pass
Neutral
I would have picked Bailey Banfield.PLAYERCARDSTART41Bailey Banfield
- Age
- 26
- Ht
- 190cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
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- D
- 13.6
- 3star
- K
- 7.2
- 3star
- HB
- 6.5
- 4star
- M
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- 3star
- T
- 3.9
- 5star
- G
- 0.3
- 3star
- D
- 9.5
- 2star
- K
- 5.3
- 2star
- HB
- 4.3
- 3star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 2.8
- 4star
- G
- 0.5
- 4star
- D
- 14.4
- 4star
- K
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- HB
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- M
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- T
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- G
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PLAYERCARDEND
With my simplistic (and somewhat uninformed) view, I don't really see how someone like Ainsworth can be a mid 2nd Rounder after playing a dozen games in the ressies, but Banfield gets passed over entirely after winning his clubs B&F at league level. The knock on Banfield seems to be his kicking, but at pick 77, you don't get any ideal prospects, so I would have rolled the dice on Banfield.