Draft not far away

[GoDons]

I am talking about mobile defenders that have midfield running ability so i think they can cover small forwards . Guys like Pat Dangerfield from Geelong Falcons who is around 192 cm now and has the run and agility of a midfielder or Andy Otten from Oakleigh.
You dont really go out and draft small defenders.No club sets out to specificly draft a back pocket. Just on our list Nash is a small defender. Hasnt played a lot of footy through the midfield. McVeigh is porbably the best small defender we have. Reimers has been usesd a lot in that role for Bendigo and during his junior days in WA.

What I was saying was more to draft an accountable midfielder/defender now that will play as a small defender in the AFL. As you know, vitually no player drafted this year will have spent much more than a couple of games in a back pocket.

Whilst Nash and Reimers qualify as small defenders, I see them more a s attacking players off the half back line. They have filled more defensive roles in the pass, yet that is not where I think they excell.

At the moment, we have plenty of attacking defenders but virtually no pure negators in the backline aside from Slattery and McVeigh who are midfield bound in 2008.

At the moment I have a list of 5 guys that I believe are up to the task and they are as follows:

Levi Greenwood: My first preference. There's a lot of Dean Solomon about him but with a bit more athleticism and a cooler head. He could play in the midfield, but I feel he will find his niche in the back pocket.
Steven Browne: He can blanket guys in the backline and provide a bit going on th eother way. He specialises in what we need most, accountability.
Patrick Dangerfield: I reckon he'll jump up the list on draft day because he's grown and has added a new dimension to his game and isn't so much a back pocket any more from all reports. Still, he's looked good in a back pcoket in the TAC Cup and has the ability to go with opposition players.
Patrick McGinnity: Has played as a tagger mostly but he could well be useful in defense. He's very good at not losing touch with opponents and you couldn't ask for more form a back pocket.
Mitch Farmer: Specialist back pocket just about. He's reliable if not a star. With a late pick, we might net ourselves a good solid 150-gamer type that plays consistent football from a back pocket and I'd be more than happy with that.

Others that I considered were Veszpremi, Kay and Whitecross but all of which are less willing to negate than the 5 I mentioned above. Decent footballers, a bit more than decent in Veszpremi's case, but, in my mind, don't fit the mould.

As for Otten who you mentioned above, I don't think he's our man. He's a drifter type that would fit well into sides that like to chip it around like Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood but at Essendon, I don't think there are enough easy disposals for him to be damaging. Accountability isn't his speciality either.

 

[ant555]

What I was saying was more to draft an accountable midfielder/defender now that will play as a small defender in the AFL. As you know, vitually no player drafted this year will have spent much more than a couple of games in a back pocket.

Whilst Nash and Reimers qualify as small defenders, I see them more a s attacking players off the half back line. They have filled more defensive roles in the pass, yet that is not where I think they excell.

At the moment, we have plenty of attacking defenders but virtually no pure negators in the backline aside from Slattery and McVeigh who are midfield bound in 2008.

At the moment I have a list of 5 guys that I believe are up to the task and they are as follows:

Levi Greenwood: My first preference. There's a lot of Dean Solomon about him but with a bit more athleticism and a cooler head. He could play in the midfield, but I feel he will find his niche in the back pocket.
Steven Browne: He can blanket guys in the backline and provide a bit going on th eother way. He specialises in what we need most, accountability.
Patrick Dangerfield: I reckon he'll jump up the list on draft day because he's grown and has added a new dimension to his game and isn't so much a back pocket any more from all reports. Still, he's looked good in a back pcoket in the TAC Cup and has the ability to go with opposition players.
Patrick McGinnity: Has played as a tagger mostly but he could well be useful in defense. He's very good at not losing touch with opponents and you couldn't ask for more form a back pocket.
Mitch Farmer: Specialist back pocket just about. He's reliable if not a star. With a late pick, we might net ourselves a good solid 150-gamer type that plays consistent football from a back pocket and I'd be more than happy with that.

Others that I considered were Veszpremi, Kay and Whitecross but all of which are less willing to negate than the 5 I mentioned above. Decent footballers, a bit more than decent in Veszpremi's case, but, in my mind, don't fit the mould.

As for Otten who you mentioned above, I don't think he's our man. He's a drifter type that would fit well into sides that like to chip it around like Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood but at Essendon, I don't think there are enough easy disposals for him to be damaging. Accountability isn't his speciality either.

I think we are close to being on the same page.
I agree with your list of Greenwood, Browne,Dangerfield,McGinnity. All would fit the bill as accountable midfielder/defenders.
As far as Mitch Farmer goes he has simply exploded in the midifled in recent weeks and has been the player who has controlled the middle for the Cannons in the last two games. I think he will go a fair bit higher than people think.
Another to add to the group is David Myers who i think will go reasonably early.

 

[GoDons]

I think we are close to being on the same page.
I agree with your list of Greenwood, Browne,Dangerfield,McGinnity. All would fit the bill as accountable midfielder/defenders.
As far as Mitch Farmer goes he has simply exploded in the midifled in recent weeks and has been the player who has controlled the middle for the Cannons in the last two games. I think he will go a fair bit higher than people think.
Another to add to the group is David Myers who i think will go reasonably early.

Haven't heard much about the Cannons in the last month so I was a bit behind on that one. It's a shame though as I thought Farmer could be the guy we picked up with a 4th round that went to be a very servicable player. Let's hope he slips.

As for Myers, I think he's in a similar boat to Otten. Could be a star but will thrive by playing attacking football out of defense rather than by playing a shut down role and sacrificing himself a little bit. I would think he'll go before our second pick so I doubt he'll be available anyway.

 

[ant555]

Haven't heard much about the Cannons in the last month so I was a bit behind on that one. It's a shame though as I thought Farmer could be the guy we picked up with a 4th round that went to be a very servicable player. Let's hope he slips.

As for Myers, I think he's in a similar boat to Otten. Could be a star but will thrive by playing attacking football out of defense rather than by playing a shut down role and sacrificing himself a little bit. I would think he'll go before our second pick so I doubt he'll be available anyway.

Well i hope our draft goes something like
1st round Masten/Ebert/Palmer
2nd round Dangerfield/Pat Vezpremi/Levi Greenwood/David Zaharakis
3rd round Daniher
4th round Otten/Noy/Gilder/Polkinhorne/Myke Cook/Mitchell Farmer
5th round Matthew Quniton/ Kangars/Lobbe
6th round pass.
Rookie spots for one tall and one mid. Maybe guys like Brad Jones,Matthew Davis,Rory Sloane,Shaun Dixon,Andrew Hogan if they dont go late in the draft.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

Well i hope our draft goes something like
1st round Masten/Ebert/Palmer
2nd round Dangerfield/Pat Vezpremi/Levi Greenwood/David Zaharakis
3rd round Daniher
4th round Otten/Noy/Gilder/Polkinhorne/Myke Cook/Mitchell Farmer
5th round Matthew Quniton/ Kangars/Lobbe
6th round pass.
Rookie spots for one tall and one mid. Maybe guys like Brad Jones,Matthew Davis,Rory Sloane,Shaun Dixon,Andrew Hogan if they dont go late in the draft.

Are you sure we should take him with our 3rd? His form has been alright for Calder without being outstanding. I heard he played forward and kicked 2 on the weekend and wasn't in their best. Would he last until our next pick?

 

[ant555]

Are you sure we should take him with our 3rd? His form has been alright for Calder without being outstanding. I heard he played forward and kicked 2 on the weekend and wasn't in their best. Would he last until our next pick?

We will take him under father son and it will more than likely be third round.

 

[GoDons]

Well i hope our draft goes something like
1st round Masten/Ebert/Palmer
2nd round Dangerfield/Pat Vezpremi/Levi Greenwood/David Zaharakis
3rd round Daniher
4th round Otten/Noy/Gilder/Polkinhorne/Myke Cook/Mitchell Farmer
5th round Matthew Quniton/ Kangars/Lobbe
6th round pass.
Rookie spots for one tall and one mid. Maybe guys like Brad Jones,Matthew Davis,Rory Sloane,Shaun Dixon,Andrew Hogan if they dont go late in the draft.

I'm certainly sharing your thoughts for the first 3 spots even though I'm not particularly keen David Zaharakis and I have a few doubts as to whether Dangerfield is worth a 2nd round pick. For the 4th quick, I think we should seriously consider trying to nab a project ruckman and for mine, Dean Putt, should he be available, would be an excellent gamble. I think he could turn into something special as he's got very good athleticism from all reports. Also, I don't there's a chance that Andy Otten will fall to our 4th pick unless we're big players in trade week.

I wouldn't be keen on Andrew Hogan even for a rookie spot though. Apparently he has no ligaments in one of his ankles and that doesn't bode well for a long career.


If I got it my way, I'd take Ebert with our first pick, Greenwood with our second, Daniher with our third and Putt with our 4th. As for a 5th, it depends who falls and it's just too hard to judge at this stage.

 

[ant555]

I'm certainly sharing your thoughts for the first 3 spots even though I'm not particularly keen David Zaharakis and I have a few doubts as to whether Dangerfield is worth a 2nd round pick. For the 4th quick, I think we should seriously consider trying to nab a project ruckman and for mine, Dean Putt, should he be available, would be an excellent gamble. I think he could turn into something special as he's got very good athleticism from all reports. Also, I don't there's a chance that Andy Otten will fall to our 4th pick unless we're big players in trade week.

I wouldn't be keen on Andrew Hogan even for a rookie spot though. Apparently he has no ligaments in one of his ankles and that doesn't bode well for a long career.


If I got it my way, I'd take Ebert with our first pick, Greenwood with our second, Daniher with our third and Putt with our 4th. As for a 5th, it depends who falls and it's just too hard to judge at this stage.

I have to say that the games i have seen Putt play he hasnt done anything much to impress me. He moves around ok but his kicking in general play isnt great and he doesnt always dominate the ruck against smaller opponents.In fairness to him i didnt see what looks to have been his best few games against Sandy, Oakliegh and Nth Ball.
In the last Calder game i saw against Geelong they where using Tengrove more in the ruck so Putt was the number two guys.

 

[Daytripper]

I have to say that the games i have seen Putt play he hasnt done anything much to impress me. He moves around ok but his kicking in general play isnt great and he doesnt always dominate the ruck against smaller opponents.In fairness to him i didnt see what looks to have been his best few games against Sandy, Oakliegh and Nth Ball.
In the last Calder game i saw against Geelong they where using Tengrove more in the ruck so Putt was the number two guys.

I see McEvoy kicked 7 on the weekend.

Where does he fit as far as draft picks go.
Top 5 ?

 

[OrangeCutter]

lets go for the player with the possibility for the biggest upside, and i beleive that might be Palmer then Ebert, i would rather with our pick go for a freak instead of a good contributor who does not have the x factor. we can use our second pick for someone who is a good solid contributor.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

I see McEvoy kicked 7 on the weekend.

Where does he fit as far as draft picks go.
Top 5 ?

It really wouldn't suprise me if the Bulldogs picked him up with their first pick, since they need a KP forward/Ruck to replace Darcy. Who do you think the Doggies will take with their first?

 

[ant555]

I see McEvoy kicked 7 on the weekend.

Where does he fit as far as draft picks go.
Top 5 ?

Could be a chance for the Dogs first round. He will be a KP forward and not a ruckman at AFL level. Couldnt see us wanting him. We have enough forwards.

 

[Jono B]

I hope the dogs take Henderson/McEvoy then we will have the choice of two of the quality midfielders.

 

[rioli brownlow]

I hope the dogs take Henderson/McEvoy then we will have the choice of two of the quality midfielders.

would anyone agree with trading laycock and mcphee to melbourne for travis johnstone and their 3rd pick (in the 30s) which we could use for darcy daniher

 

[cAsEy_18]

would anyone agree with trading laycock and mcphee to melbourne for travis johnstone and their 3rd pick (in the 30s) which we could use for darcy daniher

nup. travis jonhstone picks up too many cheap possessions for mine, while mcphee has arguably in my opinion been one of our best in the last month of the season, and laycock is now our #1 ruck.

 

[rioli brownlow]

nup. travis jonhstone picks up too many cheap possessions for mine, while mcphee has arguably in my opinion been one of our best in the last month of the season, and laycock is now our #1 ruck.

mcphee turns it over far to many times,and at least johnstone can hit a target unlike a few of our blokes(no.24) for one.
david hille is still by far a better ruckman than laycock and hopefully mark thompson will realise that when he starts, not like that other dill we just had

 

[Merv]

would anyone agree with trading laycock and mcphee to melbourne for travis johnstone and their 3rd pick (in the 30s) which we could use for darcy daniher

No way.

I'm all for trading McPhee but not Laycock.

Not interested in Johnson at all.

Why is your club listed as Adelaide yet in your posts you are talking as if you are an Essendon Supporter?

 

[GoDons]

Could be a chance for the Dogs first round. He will be a KP forward and not a ruckman at AFL level. Couldnt see us wanting him. We have enough forwards.

I think we'll see him become a Corey McKernan like player during his days at Carlton. That being a guy that plays forward and has stints in the ruck. I'm not sold that he'll be entirely a key position player without playing in the ruck at all.

 

[GoDons]

I have to say that the games i have seen Putt play he hasnt done anything much to impress me. He moves around ok but his kicking in general play isnt great and he doesnt always dominate the ruck against smaller opponents.In fairness to him i didnt see what looks to have been his best few games against Sandy, Oakliegh and Nth Ball.
In the last Calder game i saw against Geelong they where using Tengrove more in the ruck so Putt was the number two guys.

Putt's well and truly a work in progress and that's why he should be available in the 4th round. He has what it takes to go a long way, he's just putting it all together. Should he get drafted, he'll spend next year putting on a bit of size and getting his skills more refined. If he does that, he could be anything.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

would anyone agree with trading laycock and mcphee to melbourne for travis johnstone and their 3rd pick (in the 30s) which we could use for darcy daniher

No way in hell, we'd be getting ripped off bigtime.

 

[boms]

1. Class Midfielder
2. KP Defender for the future

Pick 6 - Palmer/Morton/Ebert/Masten/Cotchin

Pick 23 - I hope somehow Collier slips

Pick 39 - Darcy Dainher F/S - KPP - CHB/CHF

Other 2 picks dont care anyone

 

[jdwood]

Pardon my ignorance BUT... is Masten analogous to a Simon Black type i.e. an inside mid who can hit targets by foot?

IMO that's the type of player we are most in need of...

 

[Couch Potato]

That's exactly the type of player he is.
He didn't miss a target by foot in the nationals.

I think we might be able to pick up John Shaw (Sandy Ruckman) with a 4th or 5th round pick. He played really well against Kreuzer a few weeks ago and has kicked quite a few goals this year when resting in the forward line. He's pretty tall at 197cm and has played TAC for 3 years. He was the vice-captain at Xavier College last year under Josh Kennedy (Hawthorn).

 

[rioli brownlow]

No way.

I'm all for trading McPhee but not Laycock.

Not interested in Johnson at all.

Why is your club listed as Adelaide yet in your posts you are talking as if you are an Essendon Supporter?

because when i joined i mistakely put i lived instead of the club i support, but yes i am an essendon fan, and now live in melbourne aswell.

 

[Merv]

because when i joined i mistakely put i lived instead of the club i support, but yes i am an essendon fan, and now live in melbourne aswell.

LOL, 2 years ago and you haven't changed it yet?