Draft pick 12

[disgruntled goat]

The reports are that this year's draft does boast a lot of highly regarded taller players, and Cornelius, Johnstone, Paul Cahill, Damian Hynes and several others keep getting mentioned. Casey Sibosado and (another) Mitch Brown are others. These are players among those not likely to go top 10, but in that next tier, 11-20 or so, which is where we come into it.

I'm quite excited about this year's draft, and I do believe (and hope) we at least grab a couple of potential key position forwards and backs.

 

[Dudley]

The reports are that this year's draft does boast a lot of highly regarded taller players, and Cornelius, Johnstone, Paul Cahill, Damian Hynes and several others keep getting mentioned. Casey Sibosado and (another) Mitch Brown are others. These are players among those not likely to go top 10, but in that next tier, 11-20 or so, which is where we come into it.

I'm quite excited about this year's draft, and I do believe (and hope) we at least grab a couple of potential key position forwards and backs.

That is correct, and we will likely pick up a tall or two. The question is whether that is with pick 12 or not. The confusion seems to be whether we just pick a tall regardless, or pick the best available at 12. IMHO we pick the best and it is a no brainer.

Roos is a clever trading coach, he does not try and shaft clubs and is respected for that. I think he will pick well, as he always has, but he will also trade with our needs in mind.

 

[RUNVS]

That is correct, and we will likely pick up a tall or two. The question is whether that is with pick 12 or not. The confusion seems to be whether we just pick a tall regardless, or pick the best available at 12. IMHO we pick the best and it is a no brainer.

Roos is a clever trading coach, he does not try and shaft clubs and is respected for that. I think he will pick well, as he always has, but he will also trade with our needs in mind.

Your right. You would have to have no brains to do that.

We need to fill gaping holes in our list and that means picking the best available CHF or FF at 12.

If we pick best available at 12 we might end up with another medium sized midfielder to go with the 15 or so that we already have. We dont need players of a certain position and it would be madness to select another mdifielder between the sizes of 180cm to 185cm as we already have a tonne of depth in that area already.

 

[Dudley]

Your right. You would have to have no brains to do that.

We need to fill gaping holes in our list and that means picking the best available CHF or FF at 12.

If we pick best available at 12 we might end up with another medium sized midfielder to go with the 15 or so that we already have. We dont need players of a certain position and it would be madness to select another mdifielder between the sizes of 180cm to 185cm as we already have a tonne of depth in that area already.

I give up on you, if you are seriously suggesting picking up any tall at the expense of a quality mid that is ludicrous. If we have depth, we pick the ones who we can trade with (currently on our list) and trade them. If you pick up crap, they have no value.

Stop bleating because you listed a group in a time we had only one top 10 pick (Mcveigh) and tried to equate that with Roos being a bad recruiter. You get what you are allowed under the system, and try to trade, and work out deals around the edges, Ala Kenelly, Murphy, Ted, Mattner, Jolly etc etc etc.

Try to stop taking things personally and actualy think about it.

 

[carsoutback]

IMO you can't just pick the eyes out of Sydney's draft picks and make assumptions about recruitment based on just that. Firstly because the draft can't be dealt with in isolation from the trading strategy adopted by the Swans during the 2000s - a strategy which has yielded Jolly, C Bolton, Hall and Richards as key talls. Secondly because the drafting of young kids, for all its increased professionalism, is still a lottery (hey, let's have a pointless Veszpremi [#11] vs Rioli [#12] debate)! Many of the Swans elite players have been selected with picks in the 30s and beyond.

No-one gets it right. I recently read an article in the NY Post which lists the top 10 draft picks of the last 10 years in the NBA - and of the outcome of that. The results just make alot of teams look extremely silly. And this is after getting to watch all of the recruits play high-standard college basketball for a few years! No-one has a crystal ball it seems.

 

[Caj]

That is the glaring error.
It was then and it is now.

DOL is an outside midfielder, of which there is a plethora each draft.
Mitch Brown is a courageous talented KPP, who can play forward or back.QUOTE]

Yes I remember listening to the draft on SEN thinking woohooo when one of the Brown twins was still available at our pick. Then DOK's name was called.

Hope he can prove me wrong in 09, but if he doesnt crack it for a senior game he's as good as gone

M Brown has already shown a fair bit at senior level prior to injury, while his twin has held down CHB for Collingwood

 

[XFactor1979]

the swans tend to build their team through trades

untried youngsters tend to get drafted to be delisted for the swans in recent seasons

 

[Jeffers]

That is the glaring error.
It was then and it is now.

DOL is an outside midfielder, of which there is a plethora each draft.
Mitch Brown is a courageous talented KPP, who can play forward or back.QUOTE]

Yes I remember listening to the draft on SEN thinking woohooo when one of the Brown twins was still available at our pick. Then DOK's name was called.

Hope he can prove me wrong in 09, but if he doesnt crack it for a senior game he's as good as gone

M Brown has already shown a fair bit at senior level prior to injury, while his twin has held down CHB for Collingwood

I still shake my head to this day everytime i think about us taking DOK over Mitch Brown.

 

[SouthSwans]

Re: draft pick

swans desperately need a KPF? How bout Hansen?

Straight swap for N Davis and we give you pick 52 as a sweetner

Hansen is worse than Playfair or Grundy ever were.

 

[EatBig Australia]

Maybe someone like Lewis Johnstone, Steele Sidebottom or Sammy Blease

Sidebottom kicked 10 goals and had 32 touches in the TAC cup grand final yesterday. Would have pushed himself a few spots up the draft I would say.

 

[RUNVS]

Hopefully Paul Roos was watching the Grand Final today as there was something in that game that Roos really needed to see.

- You can have the most talented midfield in the competition but if you dont have good enough forwards then you wont win the big games.

 

[ssfc0203]

They have talented forwards. The forwards just weren't on song. Last year they had the same forward line which was hailed as being the best in the comp. Superstar forwardline of Hawthorn got junktime goals and some that were gifted to them, and they still won. It was the desperation, toughness and chances taken by their midfield that won them the game, not their forward line.

 

[RUNVS]

They have talented forwards. The forwards just weren't on song. Last year they had the same forward line which was hailed as being the best in the comp. Superstar forwardline of Hawthorn got junktime goals and some that were gifted to them, and they still won. It was the desperation, toughness and chances taken by their midfield that won them the game, not their forward line.

Geelong fans would disagree with you

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500695

 

[ssfc0203]

Its just them disappointed in what their forwards have done today. I've seen us do the same to our defense, midfield, forwards after a bad loss. I could dig up threads from last year which have been particularly verbose in the supposed quality of Geelong's forward line, but I think the past year would do the same.

Granted, they do not hold up much to the Franklin/Roughead/etc combo when compared directly, but it is their midfield that has made them the best forward line in the competition. Conversely, we see Essendon with a shit midfield and a reasonably talented forward line losing games. The key is in the midfield, everything else is an addition.

 

[Hopelesslyaddicted]

The guy that we passed up in last years draft and who went on to finish second in this years rising star, played a pretty useful game today both in the forward line and in the middle

 

[grimlock]

Conversely RUNVS, you could say that Geelong won 42 of 44 games despite having 'not good enough' forwards, that their superior midfield was the key to their success.

and Re: Rioli, make the comparison after at least 3-4 years. We'll see who the better player is then.

 

[TelkoTheGreat]

Sidebottom kicked 10 goals and had 32 touches in the TAC cup grand final yesterday. Would have pushed himself a few spots up the draft I would say.

Yep Steele was brilliant it was pretty awesome/exciting to watch him he even got invovled in the half time melee, the Game itself was pretty average. Will be interesting to see where he falls.

 

[TripleB]

The guy that we passed up in last years draft and who went on to finish second in this years rising star, played a pretty useful game today both in the forward line and in the middle

What about the 10 clubs/picks before us that passed on him as well ??????

Or don't they count ???

 

[RUNVS]

Conversely RUNVS, you could say that Geelong won 42 of 44 games despite having 'not good enough' forwards, that their superior midfield was the key to their success.

and Re: Rioli, make the comparison after at least 3-4 years. We'll see who the better player is then.

Yes but even with the best possible midfield (much better than any midfield the Swans could create) what Geelong ultimately lacked was a key power forward.

 

[grimlock]

I disagree, if they had kicked those chances then they would hav ewon.

 

[ssfc0203]

Hawks won by ~26 I think?

Mooney, Ottens, Lonergan all missed easy goals (and it wasn't only them). If they had kicked just one of those goals that they were able to, Geelong would've won. The premiership was there to be won by Geelong because of the efforts of their midfield (more handballs, inside 50's, etc by half time), it was their out of form key forwards that lost.

They had the power forward, he was just shit.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Chris Yarran is the one that I do think that you will get at pick 12. If I were you I would try to trade O'Keefe for Carlton's first rounder (pick7)

Ahh, it's bombers no one, always so concerned about Sydney.

O'Keefe for pick 7? Are you high? Typical bottom 4 mentality.

 

[TheMase]

Geelong have never had the best forward line, just powerful midfielders (with great kicking abiity) that are able to make OKAY forwards look good. It also helps that they've got the best defense in the competition too.

Today, those forwards did not take their opportunities and they lost the game as a result. Johnson played too far up the ground for a start.

 

[bloods01]

Ahh, it's bombers no one, always so concerned about Sydney.

O'Keefe for pick 7? Are you high? Typical bottom 4 mentality.

I would be absolutley shattered if we decided to trade O'Keefe. Hall as well for that matter. Both are match winners and we have very few of those as it is.

 

[TheMase]

We might not have a choice in the matter if O'Keefe wanted to depart. I would then hope we'd get as much as we can for him.