Preview Draft Pick #18

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[HBF]

It would be funny if hughes just takes another mid after all of this

Don't even go there. This board will explode if we take a mid at 18.

 

[NAUGHT5]

I would be happy with another mid.

Cause I know if we take one, then they are the clearly better than any KPP available at the time.

 

[Kramer1]

I would be happy with another mid.

Cause I know if we take one, then they are the clearly better than any KPP available at the time.

Same. I am happy with mid at 18 and KPP with our second pick, or KPP first followed by a mid. Whichever way the cards fall on the day.

 

[Blueboys7]

They only way we will take a mid is if one falls through that we rate very highly, so I would be stoked!

Same thing happened with Kane Lucas last year and I wouldn't swap him for any of the talls taken after him.

 

[son of dominator]

Ah yes.... so you are comparing Lake and Watson but not really... ok...

Thats what im getting at...

My argument is the game is moving away from guys like Watson.. cos he is a tall that you have to protect often enough...

I know clubs might be thinking he becoes a thrid up tall.. and can work on freeing him up to ddistribute the ball.

But thats not a solid first round pick.

Solid first round is a guy who can play KP every week...

or through the midfield as a frontliner.

Thats what you should be looking for


Footy brains or not... it doesnt matter... wont be putting a brain in a jar and leaving it on a flank.. they still need to be modern AFL ready athletically.

You're right - Brian Lake has been reading this thread and as a result has just announced his retirement

 

[LemmingMaster]

They only way we will take a mid is if one falls through that we rate very highly, so I would be stoked!

Same thing happened with Kane Lucas last year and I wouldn't swap him for any of the talls taken after him.

What about some of the smalls? Lewis Jetta, running down our wings?

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THS - If it makes you feel better, you're not alone in thinking that Watson may not be the best option. It is just when you bring up arguments to back up your points, which seem incorrect that people have a problem.

There is a draft watcher which I respect, we're currently having a disagreement with regards to Watson. So the selection of Watson is not a cut and dry argument in many peoples eyes.

He has been beaten on occasions, but then again he has managed to get leather poisoning on other occasions. He does have an average turning circle (maybe his size makes him seem slower than he actually is?), then again he has a very good ability to find space. When a player can gather 40+ possessions, his fitness may be slightly understated.

Then he just has a massive weapon in his kicking that you just cannot ignore.

As someone else posted earlier, in the traditional sense, he is not a first round selection as he will be around the 18 mark which in previous years was the second round. This might be slightly higher than normal for most defenders, but the next best tall forward or defender we may rate lower down the list.

I have a feeling that there will be a few sliding Midfielders as GC will potential draft a little more for needs with some of their late first round picks and this will allow some decent mids to drift in the rankings.

 

[Blueboys7]

What about some of the smalls? Lewis Jetta, running down our wings?

Right now Jetta would probably be the only one I would consider after going over the draft. I think Lucas has more to offer and more room for improvement but his injuries have me slightly concerned.

 

[coryne]

I see Watson as our obvious choice, not just because he is big/tall, not because he is ready made (I doubt he will be able to really hold down a CHB position until 2013, after he has dropped down his puppy fat and improved his endurance) but because he would add the dimension we are lacking in the back line, a large KPD who yes, can go with the BIG forwards, but can also read the play well, take a mark (read somewhere he was one of a handful of players who's coach's gave a 5/5 for marking skills) and has a MASSIVE kick to penetrate zones.

THS you say we shouldn't pick Watson because there are players he just can't play on, and we would have to "protect" him too much. Well guess what, there are PLENTY of players a Bower or Jamison can't play on due to their size. The idea is to get a GROUP of defenders who can play together on a variaty of forward set ups. For me Jamison is our smotherer, used for lead up forwards, Bower is our rebounding 3rd tall and Watson would be our gorilla killer we have been cryng out for for years .......... Sure there will be weeks where Watson wouldn't be taking the oppositions best forward, but thats ok, we also have Bower and Jamison to play on different types of forwards.

I would be all for taking a midfielder IF one which is seen as a bargain falls through to us, ala Lucas last year, but that said I think our need for a quality tall needs to be filled at #18 as by #34 I think the majority of quality talls will have been swept up this year, and we will most likely be taking Buckley with our first rd pick next year so our chances of getting one next year will be deminished. I also think the chances of a decent midfielder slipping through to #34 is MUCh higher than our chances of a quality tall slipping through.

It will be an interesting draft this year, really god only knows wtf the GC17 are going to do, and how they wil shape the draft. That is why this thread should be interesting, a discussion about the various players who will/could/should be available.


P.S This thread should not be a character assasination about Watson and how he/his type of player is becoming obsolete. THS, if you want a thread for bitching about Watson then make one and keep it out of here, your endless bitching is really becoming boring and hijacking the thread from the discussion of who we should draft with #18 .................

 

[Blueboys7]

Was that you Tarqs who picked Jetta in the BF mock draft last year or C23?

 

[LemmingMaster]

Was that you Tarqs who picked Jetta in the BF mock draft last year or C23?

Nah mate it was Cruiser, but in saying that I had Lucas ahead of Jetta. It was a line ball decision. I could have mounted a very good argument for Jetta being selected. He would add a heap of speed, line breaking skills and even if he did kick 18 behinds before his goal, he is a goal kicking threat.

 

[Kramer1]

I would be all for taking a midfielder IF one which is seen as a bargain falls through to us, ala Lucas last year, but that said I think our need for a quality tall needs to be filled at #18 as by #34 I think the majority of quality talls will have been swept up this year.

Still room on my Chalwell bandwagon...don't be shy now. Mitchell may be kicking around at 34 as well, though others have him going earlier.

 

[coryne]

Still room on my Chalwell bandwagon...don't be shy now. Mitchell may be kicking around at 34 as well, though others have him going earlier.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell was taken by the Tigers at 30 ...........As for Chalwell, I would need some YouTube footage before I could consider jumping on the bandwagon

 

[Blueboys7]

Nah mate it was Cruiser, but in saying that I had Lucas ahead of Jetta. It was a line ball decision. I could have mounted a very good argument for Jetta being selected. He would add a heap of speed, line breaking skills and even if he did kick 18 behinds before his goal, he is a goal kicking threat.

I'm hoping that between Betts, Garlett and Yarran (the last two mainly) will be able to move onto a wing and through the midfield and give us the line breaking, goalkicking threat. Yarran had already shown that he can be a threat around half forward and running forward of center towards goal. Those running goals from 50 are beautiful to watch.

I had Lucas at 6 and Jetta at 18 (underrated him a bit and probably doing the same with Smith this year) so naturally I was pretty happy with picking up Lucas outside the top 10.

 

[Kramer1]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell was taken by the Tigers at 30 ...........As for Chalwell, I would need some YouTube footage before I could consider jumping on the bandwagon

http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/305173/tyler-chalwell/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkIkb1NYNnw

Most of it pretty perfunctory stuff but moves well for 193cm, marks at full extension like Kreuz, good by hand and foot, can get down below his knees, looks to make play rather than hold things up like a lot of big guys, interestingly is a neat tap with both hands (though obviously not an AFL ruckman), little bit of mongrel and likes to stick a tackle.

Don't know that he's up against much but looks to have all the tools.

TOOT TOOT...all aboooaarrd!

 

[Silvagnis]

Hallahan for pick 34 if we're lucky.

Hallahan looks like a serious hard head in the interview on AFL.com.au.

Almost looks like he's cut from the same cloth as Hall with his boxing background.

 

[coryne]

http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/305173/tyler-chalwell/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkIkb1NYNnw

Most of it pretty perfunctory stuff but moves well for 193cm, marks at full extension like Kreuz, good by hand and foot, can get down below his knees, looks to make play rather than hold things up like a lot of big guys, interestingly is a neat tap with both hands (though obviously not an AFL ruckman), little bit of mongrel and likes to stick a tackle.

Don't know that he's up against much but looks to have all the tools.

TOOT TOOT...all aboooaarrd!

OHHHHH, he is a quality tall available at #34 ??? I thought he was going to be a mid ......... hehe

Yeah he doesn't look too bad, but would still prefer a defender at #18, of which McCarthy reminds me too much of Bower (more an attacking 3rd tall than a CHB which we need) and Tape seems to be a little undersized to be a true KPD (again he seem more like a 3rd tall).

Sure you could go for a forward in Darling or Cook at #18, but I hear there are A LOT of concerns surrounding Darling and his head injury (remember a small snippet in the HS saying clubs were having further scans done) and I don't know if Cook would be a bit of a stretch at #18. That said, there does also seem to be the possability of a few quality KPF falling through (Mitchell/this guy) if we went a KPD with #18 we still might be able to pick up a decent KPF with #34, then go best mid with #41 and some mature ages guys with the last 2 picks (assuming we won't pass with out last pick so we can go into the PSD)

 

[Blueboys7]

Posted this in the draft watch thread and thought it may be of some use here.

Carlton related questions on Emma's draft chat yesterday -

"Would McCarthy or Watson be a better fit for Carlton at pick 18?



Hi Brendan. Watson is bigger, loves the contest, the big spoils and the body on body stuff. McCarthy is very cool headed, can zone off and run, although is also a solid mark. Watson has the bigger body, McCarthy more athletic. You decide!

- Emma"

"Could you please tell if you think Carlton are looking at going tall at picks 34 and 41.



Hi Andy. I think it'll happen at 18, but with those other picks it will depend on who falls through. If one of their highly rated mids is there surely they'd just pick him. Have also heard they might look at a few older players this year but not sure who at this stage.

- Emma"

"Emma, Wayne Hughes usually selects the best available, not on a needs basis. do you believe he will stick with this philosophy this year, considering Carlton need a KPD?



Hi Matt.This year is definitely a little different in that if you dont pick the best option for your needs with your first pick, your choices in the 2nd and 3rd rounds will be much more limited. But there are a number of good talls around this year and many of them will still be there at 17 - I'm sure Hughesy will have one or two of them on his list of favourites!

- Emma"

"Hi Emma,

Considering the three best defenders in the 10-20 range..out of Watson, Tape & McCarthy wo are Carlton most likely to secure?
Thanks!



Hi Ryan. See previous answers but you have named 3 good ones. I think Tape will be gone already, leaving Watson and McCarthy. I think Watson.

- Emma"

"Emma, thanks for your response. Good to hear that Hughes will go tall for the first pick. As a follow up to that, do you think he will go tall again at pick 34? If so, what strong inside midfielders would be available at Pick 42?



Thanks Matt... wish I could give you some solid names for 42 but it's a bit far down the order for me, I have the names sussed out up until about 30 but after that I'd probably be making it up in regards to who they have genuine interest in. Some who should be there, though.... Warrick Andreoli, Brad Harvey, Aaron Mullett, Jordan Schroder...

- Emma"

Andreoli....that's for you Splendini

"Where do you see Luke Mitchell going this Thursday?



Brisbane or Richmond. But that may change!"

"Hi Emma, love your draft coverage. Do you think Carlton will go for a tall @18, and who would be the best fit of those likely to be available (McCarthy/Darling/Watson)?



Thanks Stamos, appreciated. Yep I think they'll go tall and I think you have named the three big contenders right there. I think Watson."

 

[GoBlues!]

I see Watson as our obvious choice, not just because he is big/tall, not because he is ready made (I doubt he will be able to really hold down a CHB position until 2013, after he has dropped down his puppy fat and improved his endurance) but because he would add the dimension we are lacking in the back line, a large KPD who yes, can go with the BIG forwards, but can also read the play well, take a mark (read somewhere he was one of a handful of players who's coach's gave a 5/5 for marking skills) and has a MASSIVE kick to penetrate zones.

THS you say we shouldn't pick Watson because there are players he just can't play on, and we would have to "protect" him too much. Well guess what, there are PLENTY of players a Bower or Jamison can't play on due to their size. The idea is to get a GROUP of defenders who can play together on a variaty of forward set ups. For me Jamison is our smotherer, used for lead up forwards, Bower is our rebounding 3rd tall and Watson would be our gorilla killer we have been cryng out for for years .......... Sure there will be weeks where Watson wouldn't be taking the oppositions best forward, but thats ok, we also have Bower and Jamison to play on different types of forwards.

Agree..A player like Watson would compliment our backline and play on the bigger type forwards eg..Cloke/Dawes (Collingwood), Brown (Lions) etc.

Also when we come across teams with more athletic/quicker forwards like Franklin, Riewoldt, we have the option of playing say either Waite or Hendo at CHB and playing Watson at CHF. The guy can take a mark and seems to have a good long kick.

A player like Watson would add more to our team than another Jammo/Bower type of defender imo.

 

[Blueboys7]

OHHHHH, he is a quality tall available at #34 ??? I thought he was going to be a mid ......... hehe

Yeah he doesn't look too bad, but would still prefer a defender at #18, of which McCarthy reminds me too much of Bower (more an attacking 3rd tall than a CHB which we need) and Tape seems to be a little undersized to be a true KPD (again he seem more like a 3rd tall).

Sure you could go for a forward in Darling or Cook at #18, but I hear there are A LOT of concerns surrounding Darling and his head injury (remember a small snippet in the HS saying clubs were having further scans done) and I don't know if Cook would be a bit of a stretch at #18. That said, there does also seem to be the possability of a few quality KPF falling through (Mitchell/this guy) if we went a KPD with #18 we still might be able to pick up a decent KPF with #34, then go best mid with #41 and some mature ages guys with the last 2 picks (assuming we won't pass with out last pick so we can go into the PSD)

Tape is 191cm which is fine for a KPD, not ideal but still tall enough. He plays more as a shut down defender so I wouldn't really be worried about him being a 3rd tall but he now looks likely to be gone by our pick anyway.

Word is we have our eye on a couple of mature age selections, but no one seems to know who they are.

 

[GoBlues!]

Tape is 191cm which is fine for a KPD, not ideal but still tall enough. He plays more as a shut down defender so I wouldn't really be worried about him being a 3rd tall but he now looks likely to be gone by our pick anyway.

Word is we have our eye on a couple of mature age selections, but no one seems to know who they are.

Mature age selection at pick 18 - surely not??

 

[Silvagnis]

I disagree with the comment that we don't need another Jamison/Bower type defender.

They're nothing a like.

Jamison plays tight on quick leading forwards and is a great spoiler.

No way known would you see Watson thrown onto a player like Fevola at full back.

I'm hoping for another quick full back with a late pick to give us insurance for Jamison who has had his fair share of injuries.

I don't see Carlton moving Watson to CHF and Henderson to CHB to cover gut running forwards

Austin is more likely to be the player who switches forward and back.

 

[Jeremias]

Mature age selection at pick 18 - surely not??

Why not?