Draft Picks - What value are they ?

[arrowman]

For those two in a package deal?

I'd expect a 1st round pick plus a 2nd round pick. The 1st rounder would have to be top-10.

And we'd probably have to use one of those picks to replace Meesen. Not a good deal.

 

[crowsarethebest]

If you seriously believe that, you must be from another planet, or maybe you are talking about a different premiership. They are struggling and may most probably NOT make the 8, and you still classify them as a premiership chance? How about showing some respect for genuine 'feather' premiership fancies like your mob, swans, eagles and magpies?

We played Brisbane at the Gabba and it was a very close match. We were lucky to get away with a win. I think they will make the top 8 and suprise some people.

 

[Gets!]

Triggy said we want Gibbs. And that we will trade to try and get him.

Post season will be VERY interesting in 2006.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Triggy said we want Gibbs. And that we will trade to try and get him.

Post season will be VERY interesting in 2006.

Source?

 

[macca23]

Source?

Triggy did say that. That particular comment was on both radio and TV.

My feeling at the time, and still is, that it was more an irrational re-action by Triggy to getting shafted by the VFL grandfather/son amendment than something that would actually happen, as the cost would be too high IMO.

But Triggy did say it

 

[RogerRabbit69]

I can't even start to imagine what the Crows would have to give up to secure the No.1 pick (which is what they'd need to be guaranteed of getting Gibbs).

 

[RogerRabbit69]

Triggy did say that ..... But Triggy did say it

You're starting to sound like Passamore - Bill and Triggy have fixed it, Bill and Triggy have fixed it

PS I remember Trigg saying that, too

 

[macca23]

You're starting to sound like Passamore - Bill and Triggy have fixed it, Bill and Triggy have fixed it

 

[LukeHodge15]

For those two in a package deal?

I'd expect a 1st round pick plus a 2nd round pick. The 1st rounder would have to be top-10.

not a hope that u would get that for meeson and rielly.

its interesting the hypotheticals.

i was thinking that MIGHT get u into the top 5ish in 2006. personally i wouldnt take it but maybe someone might.

thats the type of package u would need to get into the top 5. and even better than that imo

 

[Portia]

Apart from the first rounder being top 10, that doesn't sound far off for Meesen and Reilly.

 

[Crow-mo]

Fair enough, but the trouble is that other clubs are aware of the quality of the draft also, and we'd probably have to give up two good young players, or one young gun, for one single digit draft pick - one or two known quanitities for one unknown quantity.

Saying we should trade for draft picks is not as simple as "make it so".

Yeah but LH is spot on, when he says parts of our list are equally overrated.

remember in 1998 when Blighty wanted to jettison 3 premiership stars, not one, not two - three, count 'em, three premiership stars in order to get Ryan Fitzgerald.

More importantly Collingwood agreed to take Sampson, Rintoul and Ellen for pick 3. damn you clay sampson!

these guys were not world beaters, though I had a little time for each, when you're up your flotsam is up too.

Oddly enough right now, both our depth players and draft picks are valued too highly. Myself, I'd be inclined to sell both for this very reason.

 

[Crow-mo]

It seems to be the favourite response on this board doesnt it ?

How many times do you hear " Are you crazy ? I wouldnt trade player x for draft pick #<insert number here>. He's a deadset champion and an integral member of our squad". Whatever.

Some people have some warped views on the players in our squad.

Apparently they're all champions and all our draftees are the next wonder kids.

exactly right!

what are the list sizes these days? 38.

so consider team balance:
25 first choice players
5 depth players
4 emerging young players
4 or so, development spots
(roughly say)
if we are so convinced our current draftees are going to be good players for us, how much space do we have to carry them? how long can they stay in each category?

if we take on 4 draftees this year, and want to keep a few of our young guys on, promote a rookie or two, and perist with your gibsons/griffens (which I favour), there is limited holding space for guys.

moving the marbles between the boxes, is as important as anything we do with list management and development.

 

[Crow-mo]

true. but a question for u ? who was the last superstar footballer that was taken outside the top 20 over the last couple of years. drafting isnt an exact science but its slowly getting a better strikerate as the kids are being scrutinised more and recruiters have learnt from their screw ups of yesteryear.

Ben Rutten, Dean Cox

 

[Crow-mo]

i think meeson-maric could be ur chance at getting a top 10 pick. packaging one of them with a midfieder could get u that top 10 pick.

do u reckon clubs would bite at [ rielly and meeson ] in a package deal. what would u expect for that ????

Reilly and Meeson would be a package for Gibbs, not a "top 10" pick.

 

[arrowman]

Reilly and Meeson would be a package for Gibbs, not a "top 10" pick.

"Package for Gibbs" means "package for the No 1 pick" which is the only way you'd guarantee getting Gibbs. So the spooner is the only club you'd be dealing with. If that's Essendon, they've already said they won't trade their picks (OK, they might change their minds). In fact any of the likely spooners, I would say, would be very reluctant to trade away the No 1 pick in this so-called "super draft". Quality package though they are, I dunno if Reilly and Meesen would justify giving away the No 1 pick.

Meh, I know I'm saying nothing but negative things on this thread sorry.

 

[Truck Rutten]

i think meeson-maric could be ur chance at getting a top 10 pick. packaging one of them with a midfieder could get u that top 10 pick.

do u reckon clubs would bite at [ rielly and meeson ] in a package deal. what would u expect for that ????

Plenty of clubs would bite at it. Pick 1 and another around 20-25 might come close.

 

[Gets!]

I would take Pick 1 and 20 for Reilly and Meesen.

Means we would get Gibbs + another promising youngster as well as another with our Pick at 16.

 

[The Crows Truth]

It's not Craigs method to trade UNLESS the player requests a trade ....now that may happen for players who may feel they're getting limited opportunities.

Whether they have currency or are viewed as pawns in a very well constructed Craig gameplan ...don't know.

What I do know was that very few of our players from the premiership teams that were delisted were in fact picked up.

timing issue WW. WHen were they delisted (or attempted to trade)? Certainly not immediately after the flags.. didnt Collingwood make a huge offer (draft pick2 or 3) for some of our peripheral premiership ployers? if so, that proves the point

 

[WaynesWorld19]

timing issue WW. WHen were they delisted (or attempted to trade)? Certainly not immediately after the flags.. didnt Collingwood make a huge offer (draft pick2 or 3) for some of our peripheral premiership ployers? if so, that proves the point

No it wasn't anything so rich...if my memory is correct it was Sampson, but anyways the vast majority went off into the AFL sunset without much interest.

 

[Crow-mo]

"Package for Gibbs" means "package for the No 1 pick" which is the only way you'd guarantee getting Gibbs. So the spooner is the only club you'd be dealing with. If that's Essendon, they've already said they won't trade their picks (OK, they might change their minds). In fact any of the likely spooners, I would say, would be very reluctant to trade away the No 1 pick in this so-called "super draft". Quality package though they are, I dunno if Reilly and Meesen would justify giving away the No 1 pick.

Meh, I know I'm saying nothing but negative things on this thread sorry.

no what I am saying is, that IF you packaged reilly and meeson you'd be looking for the no.1 pick, not some pick 9 rubbish that might be a bust.

you wouldn't do it for less, that's all.

 

[The Crows Truth]

No it wasn't anything so rich...if my memory is correct it was Sampson, but anyways the vast majority went off into the AFL sunset without much interest.

Think youre wrong mate

just kept reading this thread after posting before And Crow Mos mentioned it was Sampson, Ellen and Rintoul for draft pick 3.

 

[crowsarethebest]

I would take Pick 1 and 20 for Reilly and Meesen.

Means we would get Gibbs + another promising youngster as well as another with our Pick at 16.

Essendon won't do that deal. No way. They are potentially giving up Bryce Gibbs, who is probably doing even better than Meeson at SANFL level(You can't compare them two because they're different type of playeres and big men usually take longer to develop) BUT Gibbs is still playing some very good games at 17 years of age. Also pick 20 can give you a pretty good player as well, with this draft so deep, a pick 20 this year could've been a pick 10 last year. Essendon would be stupid to consider that trade- well in my opinion.

 

[The Crows Truth]

no what I am saying is, that IF you packaged reilly and meeson you'd be looking for the no.1 pick, not some pick 9 rubbish that might be a bust.

you wouldn't do it for less, that's all.

agree

no way we would take anything except an absolute top pick (perhps top 3 ) for these 2

FFS they are both 1st rounders themself

we would want gibbs or sellar

 

[The Crows Truth]

No it wasn't anything so rich...if my memory is correct it was Sampson, but anyways the vast majority went off into the AFL sunset without much interest.

yeah but not at their peak selling value (ie immediately after 97/98) - thats the whole point WW.

 

[The Crows Truth]

Essendon won't do that deal. No way. They are potentially giving up Bryce Gibbs, who is probably doing even better than Meeson at SANFL level(You can't compare them two because they're different type of playeres and big men usually take longer to develop) BUT Gibbs is still playing some very good games at 17 years of age. Also pick 20 can give you a pretty good player as well, with this draft so deep, a pick 20 this year could've been a pick 10 last year. Essendon would be stupid to consider that trade- well in my opinion.

useless trying to compare meesons and gibbs performance in the sanfl