Prediction DRAFT POLL_PICK #5_V2

[Sector 7G]

First 45 seconds, 2 passes



Happy with either

His kicking looks fine to me. My main concern is that at U18 level he is regularly able to break tackle due to being more physically mature than most of the players tackling him. He won't have this luxury at AFL level.

My other concern is he doesn't seem to have a burst of pace.

The reality is their is no player in this years draft that ticks every box (maybe McCluggage)

 

[1981]

I still think at 5 we take a player who has a major standout strength and so for me that is either Brodie with his clearance work or SPS with his elite skills. Taranto is a very good prospect but I don't see he has a standout attribute like the other two do. I just think you take someone who has that special attribute that could see them potentially dominate in that area.

 

[1981]

In saying that I won't be upset if we go Taranto

 

[Arr0w]

His kicking looks fine to me. My main concern is that at U18 level he is regularly able to break tackle due to being more physically mature than most of the players tackling him. He won't have this luxury at AFL level.

My other concern is he doesn't seem to have a burst of pace.

The reality is their is no player in this years draft that ticks every box (maybe McCluggage)

Valid points

He will put on my muscle and strength that will assist with breaking tackles, but will also improve his own high tackle rate

Agreed, doesn't have that natural burst, so has to make up for it with footy smarts, as would a guy like Pendlebury or Bartel.

Correct, not many players even in the AFL tick all the boxes, so coaches have to utilise the strengths they have.

Even McCluggage has weaknesses if comparing him to others in this draft, although currently I see him as the number 1 pick

There are so many unknowns:

Ainsworth - Has amazing power and x-factor - Unknown is will he have the work-rate to be a full-time mid
SPS - Great by foot on both sides of his body, as well as speed - Unknown, will he impact the scoreboard more
Scrimshaw - Great overhead, beautiful left foot, quick hands, great 2nd & 3rd efforts, plays 3rd tall forward/back - Unknown, can he transition to being a midfielder.

 

[Arr0w]

I still think at 5 we take a player who has a major standout strength and so for me that is either Brodie with his clearance work or SPS with his elite skills. Taranto is a very good prospect but I don't see he has a standout attribute like the other two do. I just think you take someone who has that special attribute that could see them potentially dominate in that area.

I get the feeling Brodie will continue to slide

 

[Jimmae]

My order of preference given the pool:

McCluggage
McGrath
Ainsworth
Scrimshaw
Bowes
SPS
Setterfield
Taranto
English

FootyProphet's Phantom has McCluggage going to Brisbane at 4 after GC match a bid on Bowes. I don't think Brisbane would bid if McCluggage was on the board, and I don't think GC would match if they did.

GWS would be ****ing nuts to pass on McCluggage.

 

[F_therest]

Is it fair to say that drafting SPS would be like drafting Daniel Wells?

They seem very similar from what i've seen/read.

Positives
Classy players with good skills, left & right foot, inside/outside midfielders, acceleration to burst from stoppages and weave through traffic, decent footy IQ.

When Wells plays well he transforms North's midfield from looking quite pedestrian to damaging and fluid. Has the ability to be a 'match winner' and create really good passages of play.

Negatives
Inconsistency, injuries.

Apparently SPS didn't have that great a year and while classy, didn't really 'dominate' any games. His average disposals is rather low for a midfielder.
Can't really say SPS will have constant injuries like Wells, though he has had several this year and he has a similar body type...being quite slight.

Will his slight frame hurt him at AFL level? Probably not if we have the right structure...i mean Lachie Hunter & Macrae are pretty slight but the Dogs' playstyle suits them. There are others though like Jack Martin who seem to have struggled against bigger bodies & even Wells until he matured.

Conclusion
So would we be getting a guy who has class and will have match winning moments, but will also go missing at times?

Taranto sounds like he doesnt have the same level of skill and class, but his big finish to the year shows he can lift in big games under pressure, gets more of the ball, has a larger frame that may be more suited for AFL, is a strong mark and has scoreboard impact...like Luke Parker.

If my thoughts are accurate i'd prefer a Taranto type of player than SPS...seems like less of a 'bust' chance but at the same time less 'star' factor so there seems to be an element of risk/reward involved with our decision.

 

[kjr8]

I get the feeling Brodie will continue to slide

why is that? wasn't he initially in conversation for #1 pick?

 

[Sector 7G]

why is that? wasn't he initially in conversation for #1 pick?

People a focusing on potential weakness too much and the idea if others are passing on him there must be something wrong with him. After the champs he was top 2.

Reminds me a little of what happened to Peter Wright. Was the favorite as the No.1 for much of the season and slid. Redo the draft and he would be close to being back at 1.

 

[JuddgementDay]

On SPS, everyone is saying wells, but is he comparable to our capt in playing style & attributes?

 

[Arr0w]

why is that? wasn't he initially in conversation for #1 pick?

Think others will continue to surpass him, given overall versatility and disposal efficiency

 

[Sin City]

On SPS, everyone is saying wells, but is he comparable to our capt in playing style & attributes?

Much more like Wells in playing style JuddgementDay. Both Murphy and Wells are on ballers that can cause heaps of damage on the outside but his style and attributes are much more like Wells.

 

[HBF]

Have settled on Brodie.
The prospect of him teaming up with Cripps is simply to mouth watering to pass up.

 

[rp84]

WRT to Taranto, I just dont like the idea of drafting ANOTHER one paced player.

Kicking goals at junior level may not translate too being fairly slow.

We desperately need pace in the side. Inside and centre bounce speed is our number 1 need IMO (even more glaring than our complete lack of fwd line). We regularly got trashed by quick but average midfield teams. This will continue without genuine cente square pace.

For mine, it needs to be SPS or Brodie (if mcclug, bowes, mcgrath aren't avail)

 

[G-TRAIN07]

Imagine all 3 names are available to us who and how the do you choose out of SPS, brodie, taranto

 

[HARKER]

WRT to Taranto, I just dont like the idea of drafting ANOTHER one paced player.
Kicking goals at junior level may not translate too being fairly slow.
We desperately need pace in the side. Inside and centre bounce speed is our number 1 need IMO (even more glaring than our complete lack of fwd line). We regularly got trashed by quick but average midfield teams. This will continue without genuine cente square pace.

For mine, it needs to be SPS or Brodie (if mcclug, bowes, mcgrath aren't avail)

Pace for the sake of pace stands for nothing. Did you ever watch Wilkinson play?

Running flat out without smarts won't help you and we already have Buckley as testament to that.
We do have pace via Boekhorst, Pickett and Cuningham already.....just need the right pieces to fit into the puzzle.

Taranto may not be fast but he thinks quickly. I'll take that attribute every over pace alone, every day of the week.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pace for the sake of pace stands for nothing. Did you ever watch Wilkinson play?

Running flat out without smarts won't help you and we already have Buckley as testament to that.
We do have pace via Boekhorst, Pickett and Cuningham already.....just need the right pieces to fit into the puzzle.

Taranto may not be fast but he thinks quickly. I'll take that attribute every over pace alone, every day of the week.

We aren't talking about pace alone when it comes to SPS or Brodie though. This whole bad kick, one trick pony diminishing of Brodie is a real hatchet job around the traps IMO. He certainly wasn't thought of that way until others became more favoured as the year went on.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Imagine all 3 names are available to us who and how the do you choose out of SPS, brodie, taranto

Easy just go with this order brodie, sps then taranto

 

[HARKER]

We aren't talking about pace alone when it comes to SPS or Brodie though. This whole bad kick, one trick pony diminishing of Brodie is a real hatchet job around the traps IMO. He certainly wasn't thought of that way until others became more favoured as the year went on.

The focus of the post I responded to was about Taranto being slow and I don't see him being as slow, as some are alluding to.....smooth, not slow.
Peripheral awareness and composure will take you further than just pace alone.

I've fallen off Brodie but no doubt if we do pick him up, I'll find a way to like him again.....just don't se that coming about though.

 

[JuddgementDay]

The focus of the post I responded to was about Taranto being slow and I don't see him being as slow, as some are alluding to.....smooth, not slow.
Peripheral awareness and composure will take you further than just pace alone.

I've fallen off Brodie but no doubt if we do pick him up, I'll find a way to like him again.....just don't se that coming about though.

Could be all part of the plan...
give 'em nuthin and then pick up brodie
Well, that's my story & i'm sticking with it

 

[rp84]

Pace for the sake of pace stands for nothing. Did you ever watch Wilkinson play?

Running flat out without smarts won't help you and we already have Buckley as testament to that.
We do have pace via Boekhorst, Pickett and Cuningham already.....just need the right pieces to fit into the puzzle.

Taranto may not be fast but he thinks quickly. I'll take that attribute every over pace alone, every day of the week.

We don't have ANY inside pace. And its hardly for the sake of it. We're comparing 3 top 5 players, not reaching for a particular attribute. All will probably be good players. I think 2 of them suit our needs better, and are all around a similar level of skill/upside.

Quick thinking alone is worth nothing, unless they are absolutely elite players like pendlebury, mitchell, priddis and bartel. A level or two below that and poor foot speed makes everything a lot tougher.

The players you mentioned have huge question marks. We need elite talent with pace to burn. Your comment seems to imply you dont think so...

 

[Arr0w]

We don't have ANY inside pace. And its hardly for the sake of it. We're comparing 3 top 5 players, not reaching for a particular attribute. All will probably be good players. I think 2 of them suit our needs better, and are all around a similar level of skill/upside.

Quick thinking alone is worth nothing, unless they are absolutely elite players like pendlebury, mitchell, priddis and bartel. A level or two below that and poor foot speed makes everything a lot tougher.

The players you mentioned have huge question marks. We need elite talent with pace to burn. Your comment seems to imply you dont think so...

So SPS would be perfect if available?

 

[rp84]

So SPS would be perfect if available?

IMO, yes.

I like that Brodie can burst out of the packs too.

I continue to have nightmares about the aints, giants, paddlepops and even ****ing * quick mids giving us a belting. All due to pace. No way their mids are better footballers than ours (except gws of course) but a couple quick handballs and they're out. So many easy goals conceded this year from that. We physically just cant go with them.

 

[Arr0w]

IMO, yes.

I like that Brodie can burst out of the packs too.

I continue to have nightmares about the aints, giants, paddlepops and even ******* * quick mids giving us a belting. All due to pace. No way their mids are better footballers than ours (except gws of course) but a couple quick handballs and they're out. So many easy goals conceded this year from that. We physically just cant go with them.

SPS would be a great pick up, but the jury is out among us on BF regarding Brodie, personally would take Taranto in fron of him

Anyway not long to go now

 

[Kramer1]

Taranto may not be fast but he thinks quickly. I'll take that attribute every over pace alone, every day of the week.

Very best case scenario I see bits of Parker and Swan...may just be the awkward yet effective kick with Swan.