Competitions Draft Prediction - 23 & 28

[INSANE]

His highlights are cringeworthy - coordination, kicking and general skills..big deficiencies. Can see him going in the 40's.

Cringe-worthy hey? Bit extreme don't you think? Co-ordination....Well he took some good strong marks in his hands not his face, kicked the ball with his foot not his shin etc. Not one glaring skill error iirc. He looks awkward yes, but so do McPharlin/Glass.

Not saying he's without flaw and not too fussed if we take him or not, but some people are just so pedantic with their reasons for not liking or wanting someone.

 

[Obeanie1]

His highlights are cringeworthy - coordination, kicking and general skills..big deficiencies. Can see him going in the 40's.

Very ugly kicking style that's for sure

Guys he's 18 yrs old and over 190 cm, he's big and surprise, surprise his kicking needs work. WOW.

How good was Glass and MacKenzie at 18, how good were most AFL full backs at 18.

What he is good at is overhead, looks like a good mark and has confidence to run of his opponents when he has the ball.

Some people are making him out to be a spud.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

We're linked to Murdoch again.

24. Jordan Murdoch
(Glenelg, 191cm, 80kg)
Murdoch is a late improver, who was overlooked last year but has taken some steps this year. He's raw and you'd like him to throw himself around a bit more, but his speed off the mark is going to make him hard to match up on if he gets it all together. Moves high up the ground, is smart on the lead and able to turn quickly, play on and push off towards goal at pace.
Who will pick him: West Coast has been linked to him with one of its picks in the 20s, and the Blues have come up too.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...g-a-roughie-20111119-1nojy.html#ixzz1eDRnnoes

 

[WCE_phil]

We're linked to Murdoch again.




Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...g-a-roughie-20111119-1nojy.html#ixzz1eDRnnoes

if markworth is gone i would be happy with murdoch at 23. still really hoping to get newman at 28, just think he will make it and become a solid player (no a grader or superstar) and fill a niche for us nicely.

 

[Avalor]

if markworth is gone i would be happy with murdoch at 23. still really hoping to get newman at 28, just think he will make it and become a solid player (no a grader or superstar) and fill a niche for us nicely.

Yes, as it is looking, if all goes as wanted, Murdoch at 23 and Newman at 28 seems the deal for us.
I would be very happy with that

 

[Prem87]

Apparently Murdoch ran a sub 2.8 for the 20m sprint can anyone confirm it??

 

[Postman_Pav]

Apparently Murdoch ran a sub 2.8 for the 20m sprint can anyone confirm it??

Ran 2.76

One of quickest ever.

 

[Keys]

And I disagree on the Talia/Glass comparison. He just does not have Glass's smarts or "safe" decision making ability.

To be fair, Glass at 18 didn't have Glass's smarts or safe decision making ability either.

 

[WCE_phil]

Ran 2.76

One of quickest ever.

so people can compare ash smith ran a 2.79

 

[DivideandMultiply]

To be fair, Glass at 18 didn't have Glass's smarts or safe decision making ability either.

This is true to a degree, but he was a much more solid player defensively than Talia.

Sure some WC fans despaired in the early years of his career, but Talia really has some huge deficiencies disposal wise. It is also very rare for a player to do what Glass has done.

In my uneducated opinion there are much better options that should be available at pick 23.

 

[Galileo9]

192 cm like I originally posted, compliments of AFL website 'hot prospects' this morning. Nice way to make up stats to aid your argument.

So this kid is undersized, albeit not by much. This isn't so significant when you have the defensive ablities of a Glass/ Reid who read the high ball better than anyone in the game.

Glass is 192cm.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I think Talia looks the most natural defender and the most composed out of the three. He looks the most assured and organises the defence. He is the best body on body and the best overhead. He is certainly the closest to Glass out of the three.

Lockyer is not that good body on body or spoiling against bigger players. I think he would be exposed at AFL level as a pure fullback. In the u18 champs, Jordan Murdoch made him look 2nd rate overhead and he is only 189cm. Despite his height, he is more of a third tall and I would really worry about him going up against bigger forwards like Dawes and Hawkins.

Schade is a project who is NQR for AFL. He might work out, after a few years in the gym, but you have to remember its easier to take a risk posting on a message board than a recruiter whose job is on the line.

Maybe you are right about Talia having probably seen a lot more of him, from what I have seen you seem to be greatly overstating his ability.

Does not look assured at all with the ball in hand, his defensive skills and body work looks ok without being great, overhead marking is very solid. Not enough to make up for the massive disposal issues he appears to have.

 

[Icanwalk]

Glass is 192cm.

Read the next few sentences. All is explained.

 

[beatlesmith]

Coming around to the idea of Murdoch.
Could be either the forward or wingman we need.
Good skills, super pace and quality defensive pressure and tackling is a good skillset.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Some people are making him out to be a spud.

No point on spending a decent pick on an average (middle of the road) prospect for a position we don't have a massive need for. Also it's obvious he can't kick and if you can't do that you shouldn't be considered seriously for a position backward of centre.

Forward flankers, KPF's and balanced midfielders are bigger needs.

 

[Obeanie1]

No point on spending a decent pick on an average (middle of the road) prospect for a position we don't have a massive need for.

Forward flankers, KPF's and balanced midfielders are bigger needs.

Who was picked as the AA CHB this year.

They must give those awards away to any old middle of the road prospect.

As for massive need in 2 years Glass will be retired and MacKenzie will be our #1 FB with Schofield as backup for both FB and CHB.

Right now we have 4 blokes covering the two key back posts, one retires and two get injured who's left?

I'm not saying we must draft Talia but we do need to look at drafting another KP backman to be ready in 2 years time.

What we have plenty of is medium backs and inside mids, tall forwards we also have covered especially with Cox and NN resting forward and being capable.

A quick, agile goal kicking small half forward and another KP backman over 190cm is our 'needs' are in regards to list balance and succession planning.

Saying that I'd be happy with Newman and a Murdock / Talia. Rapt with say Mason and Leon Davis as rookies plus two other younger rookies.

 

[eagles rule]

Yes, as it is looking, if all goes as wanted, Murdoch at 23 and Newman at 28 seems the deal for us.
I would be very happy with that

agree Newman and Murdoch would be very appealing .

Newman is very impressive and shows a lot of good signs of being a good footballer and Murdoch leaves a lot of defenders in his wake, has good pace and clean hands and a willingness to tackle .(Darling mk 2)maybe..

 

[Underdog]

As for massive need in 2 years Glass will be retired and MacKenzie will be our #1 FB with Schofield as backup for both FB and CHB.

Right now we have 4 blokes covering the two key back posts, one retires and two get injured who's left?

1 KPD and a pinch hitter. Big deal. If Kennedy and Lynch get injured we're left with Darling and....Hamp? Pinch hit with a ruckman perhaps.

You can't just keep stockpiling talls, particularly when you already have what you consider to be very capable players and they are under 24 years of age.

That's what we should be using the rookie list for. If Brown and Schofield go down and we don't want a medium playing "up", we'd probably try someone like Hamp or McGovern.

 

[maxrm]

Didn't know Murdoch before recently and after a bit of research I'm a huge fan and want him with #23. Has awesome speed to go with his height, very good skills and great goal sense. Look's the goods.

 

[Prem87]

Murdoch reminds me a taller quicker pre-injury Nicoski with tad better composure/footskills. Would be perfect at HF/Wing with our forward press - chasing, running down, tackling everything. With Newman and Darling they would make very a dynamic HF line. Good luck to teams trying to run the ball out of defence via handball and overlap..

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

From everything I've read, this year is pretty light for KPP talent. Why the urgency to grab one this year when next year's draft is likely to be better in terms of KPP talent?

 

[paran]

This year's draft is pretty much light on everything. For KPP's it usually takes 3-4 years to get to AFL standard (see EMac and Schoey), and with Glass getting close to retirement age and both Brown and Emac capable of missing stretches to injury, it's smart to actually think of coverage before it becomes a necessity.

 

[WCE_phil]

This year's draft is pretty much light on everything. For KPP's it usually takes 3-4 years to get to AFL standard (see EMac and Schoey), and with Glass getting close to retirement age and both Brown and Emac capable of missing stretches to injury, it's smart to actually think of coverage before it becomes a necessity.

In all honesty if its just for injury cover beau wilkes with our last rookie pick would be very sensible.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Who was picked as the AA CHB this year.

They also gave one to Clay Smith, Greene, Grigg, Forster and Josh McKenzie.

As for massive need in 2 years Glass will be retired and MacKenzie will be our #1 FB with Schofield as backup for both FB and CHB.

Right now we have 4 blokes covering the two key back posts, one retires and two get injured who's left?

Players get injured. What if we lose Kennedy and Darling in two years time?

I'm not saying we must draft Talia but we do need to look at drafting another KP backman to be ready in 2 years time.

We need to draft a highly rated KPD in the next two drafts, perhaps draft two of them in the next two drafts. If we wanted to draft a KPD in 2011 we could have retained pick 45 and let Ebert walk. Thats the value we will get from our picks by going down the KPD path.

What we have plenty of is medium backs and inside mids, tall forwards we also have covered especially with Cox and NN resting forward and being capable.

A quick, agile goal kicking small half forward and another KP backman over 190cm is our 'needs' are in regards to list balance and succession planning.

We don't have great depth across the half forward line but that's improving.

We have two proven tall forwards (if you wan't to call Lynch "Proven") and one undersized kid who is yet to find his feet fully at AFL level.

Including rucks or Rookies in our KPF's is laughable.

 

[Obeanie1]

They also gave one to Clay Smith, Greene, Grigg, Forster and Josh McKenzie.



Players get injured. What if we lose Kennedy and Darling in two years time?



We need to draft a highly rated KPD in the next two drafts, perhaps draft two of them in the next two drafts. If we wanted to draft a KPD in 2011 we could have retained pick 45 and let Ebert walk. Thats the value we will get from our picks by going down the KPD path.



We don't have great depth across the half forward line but that's improving.

We have two proven tall forwards (if you wan't to call Lynch "Proven") and one undersized kid who is yet to find his feet fully at AFL level.

Including rucks or Rookies in our KPF's is laughable.[/quote]

Laughable? Really?

Whats funny about including Lycett as a KP forward? The Eagles have requested that he be played as a forward in the WAFL for his development, I wonder why?

Are ruckman now getting played more forward due to the sub rule? Yes or no.

Are they playing as a tall or a small?

David Hille at Essendon plays KP forward. Ottens did, so does Ryder, so does Jolly when resting deep, so does Sandilands for patches.

If a KP forward gets injured our first choice now is Lycett deep with Le Cras and now Hill playing the smaller leading FF. Match day injuries the ruck rests in the pocket and Le Cras / Hill go to FF.

And I didn't include rookies even though we have a couple of talls in McGovern and Hamp, who knows how they will turn out, could be bust, could be another Lynch, could be another Cox.