Rumour Draft Rumours 2025

[Crow till I die]

I think we do too

Its an interesting one as for us, that F2 should be with Brisbane from Ah Chee - they didn't want it so its in there and likely in play. We also have pick 53 so only a few picks after 48 so a drop there is not going to hurt too much but as those picks will come in a bit after the Patterson, Annable and Uwland, it will get a few more draft points for Carlton in any deal.

As mentioned, I have no idea if this is anything other than media scuttlebut bu as its an SA top heavy draft, I can see the attraction from our end to try to get an extra top end local player from this draft class

 

[Stamos]

Bidding is different in 26 though due to only allowing 2 picks

We don't know this yet.

 

[Keystone agony]

I asked that very same question on our board and apparently the rules have changed and its allowed.

Most of these 'rules' are very leniently applied anyway it seems

Very easy to get exceptions

 

[Stamos]

Are the crows allowed to trade F1 and F2 same draft? Not sure

You can now for the next draft, but the old rules apply for the draft 2 years into the future.

 

[Keystone agony]

We don't know this yet.

Weve been given a very good guide as to that being the case

Which is why i used ths term likely. Its probably very likely tbh

It wouldnt drastically differ as that is what clubs used to guide their trades and why they wanted to release before trade period in some form of communication

 

[Stamos]

If we really are trying for picks 9 + 11, then if needed, we should be offering

16 + 48 + F1 + F2 for 9 + 11

If Carlton are happy to do a deal along those lines but want more points in this draft, then before we get to that on night scenario, we look to trade our F2 for a 2nd in this draft and hand that to them with 16, 48 & F1

But thats just me and I have no idea if carlton are seriously considering a trade for both picks?

I think that if we're doing the trade for both picks it will look like this.
But then for us it very much depends on when the Dean bid comes, because if it's too early we won't be able to afford such a trade.

 

[Keystone agony]

I think we take it if the Dean bid is coming late

If the bid comes in at 5 we will probably need to hold onto one of 9 or 11 so then only one gets traded to Adelaide

Might be ok for a bit earlier

16, 48, probably 55 added aswell and then another 2nd rounder is plenty of points

As long as the suns boys are bid prior

The 2nd rounder, 43, 48, 54, 55 are moving in plenty of spots

They then move in even more probably once you match the Dean bid and Annable is done aswell

But also are you allowed to go into deficit on that given round if you dont have that pick next year and not need to pay anything outside of picks post that round (ie boues F4 would go)

Ie a round 2 deficit due to Ison, and you dint have a Future 2nd or 3rd rounder

 

[ctwenty1]

Might be ok for a bit earlier

16, 48, probably 55 added aswell and then another 2nd rounder is plenty of points

As long as the suns boys are bid prior

The 2nd rounder, 43, 48, 54, 55 are moving in plenty of spots

They then move in even more probably once you match the Dean bid and Annable is done aswell

But also are you allowed to go into deficit on that given round if you dont have that pick next year and not need to pay anything outside of picks post that round (ie boues F4 would go)

Ie a round 2 deficit due to Ison, and you dint have a Future 2nd or 3rd rounder

Defintely would need to trade for a 2025 second rounder if we do that trade and Dean is bid at 5

Darft night will be interesting...

 

[THE_GUN]

I don’t know about that.

No one wants into this draft as 2026 picks are seen as better. So you’re not going to get a better 2026 picks than current 2025 picks.

So Crows 16 + F1 might be the best offer if there are no other teams interested.

I think the real concern should be if Carlton need 2026 first rounders, they’re going to find it very difficult to get one next year. No one is going to be interested in 2027 picks due to TAS, so the only way to get one would be to trade out players.

Even this trade which isn’t great on paper only for Carlton only makes sense if Sharp or Cumming are still on the board, which is a big if.

Not really as if that trade eventuated then Carlton fall well short of getting Dean & Ison with the points they have for 2025 so it just doesnt work.

The way i see it the best possible trade for Carlton is with Essendon
6+21+27 for 9+11 with no bid for Dean at 5 and if no bid for dean they could either trade 5 into a F1 with bombers or another team or just take that selection after they themself making bids on a GC / Lions player pushing their Dean pick further out.

The issue would be would the Bombers go for that leaving them with #5,#9,#11,#30

 

[Crow till I die]

Not really as if that trade eventuated then Carlton fall well short of getting Dean & Ison with the points they have for 2025 so it just doesnt work.

The way i see it the best possible trade for Carlton is with Essendon
6+21+27 for 9+11 with no bid for Dean at 5 and if no bid for dean they could either trade 5 into a F1 with bombers or another team or just take that selection after they themself making bids on a GC / Lions player pushing their Dean pick further out.

The issue would be would the Bombers go for that leaving them with #5,#9,#11,#30

Are Essendon not trying to trade UP not down in this draft though?

 

[THE_GUN]

Are Essendon not trying to trade UP not down in this draft though?

Thats what some are reporting but looking more likely Eagles demands are too high but still thats just my opinion for the best outcome for Carlton and if the trade up options is not correct and they do trade with Bombers
#5 - Sharp
#9 - Cumming
#11 - Grlj / Farrow / Taylor

Wouldnt be a bad result for the Bombers

 

[Crow till I die]

Thats what some are reporting but looking more likely Eagles demands are too high but still thats just my opinion for the best outcome for Carlton and if the trade up options is not correct and they do trade with Bombers
#5 - Sharp
#9 - Cumming
#11 - Grlj / Farrow / Taylor

Wouldnt be a bad result for the Bombers

I get the feeling you might swap he order here with Cumming the one to go higher than expected and Sharp to fall a bit more than expected.

 

[perplexed]

Not really as if that trade eventuated then Carlton fall well short of getting Dean & Ison with the points they have for 2025 so it just doesnt work.

The way i see it the best possible trade for Carlton is with Essendon
6+21+27 for 9+11 with no bid for Dean at 5 and if no bid for dean they could either trade 5 into a F1 with bombers or another team or just take that selection after they themself making bids on a GC / Lions player pushing their Dean pick further out.

The issue would be would the Bombers go for that leaving them with #5,#9,#11,#30

Essendon shouldn't need to give up both 21 and 27, just one would still be a better result for Carlton than their other trade options.

 

[THE_GUN]

Essendon shouldn't need to give up both 21 and 27, just one would still be a better result for Carlton than their other trade options.

9+11 = 2560 points
6+21 = 2380 points
6+21+27 = 2913 points

Maybe
6+27+30 =2646 points is the better option but there would need to be more than just 6 + 21

 

[perplexed]

9+11 = 2560 points
6+21 = 2380 points
6+21+27 = 2913 points

Maybe
6+27+30 =2646 points is the better option but there would need to be more than just 6 + 21

It doesn't need to be balanced on points. Carlton's best option by far is to trade up, it is the difference between taking their third player with live pick 6 or whatever pick 11 gets pushed back to after matching Dean. They should be happy to wear a small deficit to make it happen.

 

[THE_GUN]

It doesn't need to be balanced on points. Carlton's best option by far is to trade up, it is the difference between taking their third player with live pick 6 or whatever pick 11 gets pushed back to after matching Dean. They should be happy to wear a small deficit to make it happen.

But it does matter for them to be able to have enough points to still be able to get Dean & Ison

 

[Stamos]

Essendon shouldn't need to give up both 21 and 27, just one would still be a better result for Carlton than their other trade options.

Without both the trade doesn’t make sense for us.

 

[perplexed]

Without both the trade doesn’t make sense for us.

Why? Who is the third player you get if you don't make the trade?

Essendon will want a good deal to help you guys out, and you should be happy to wear a deficit to get another top ten player.

 

[perplexed]

But it does matter for them to be able to have enough points to still be able to get Dean & Ison

Yes they can. They just go into deficit.

 

[pressurepoint]

Some wishful thinking in this thread, and on the Crows board.

Carlton are taking 3 players at the draft, they deliberately paid out players to enable them to take this number.

Right now, and on the assumption that Bombers bid on Dean, Carlton have the picks & points to land Dean, Ison, and another late first rounder. These are the 3.

The idea that we’re getting rid of 9+11 for Adelaide’s 16 and F1 does not make sense in light of the above. The trade, it it occurs, is likely only to involve pick 9.

To the argument that Carlton will take unders because it needs futures, we already have 2 F1s to look after Cody Walker (and 2 2027 F1s if there was any doubt).

 

[Stamos]

Why? Who is the third player you get if you don't make the trade?

Essendon will want a good deal to help you guys out, and you should be happy to wear a deficit to get another top ten player.

We get burned on points, which we need both this year and next year.
And for us, it’s not worth the small trade up to do it.

The deal works if Essendon want to get their 3rd pick up to 11 much more than they care about sliding 6 back to 9. If they don’t we’re not doing a deal together.

Carlton will get a better offer for one of our picks, or we’ll just take them all to the draft.

 

[perplexed]

We get burned on points, which we need both this year and next year.
And for us, it’s not worth the small trade up to do it.

The deal works if Essendon want to get their 3rd pick up to 11 much more than they care about sliding 6 back to 9. If they don’t we’re not doing a deal together.

Carlton will get a better offer for one of our picks, or we’ll just take them all to the draft.

You'll take them to the draft regardless, you would only consider this as a live trade to be sure you were getting ahead of the Dean bid. But I reckon holding them and using them for points is a worse option than trading up and copping a deficit. But it depends on how you rate the difference in player you'd get at the different picks.

 

[Stamos]

You'll take them to the draft regardless, you would only consider this as a live trade to be sure you were getting ahead of the Dean bid. But I reckon taking holding them and using them for points is a worse option than trading up and copping a deficit. But it depends on how you rate the difference in player you'd get at the different picks.

We can’t afford a deficit.
I think we’d rather trade out and boost our 26 hand than get burned on points this year going for an extra player.

 

[briztoon]

And what if the team doesnt have a future pick in that round?

It comes off the round after (or before, depending on what picks the club holds).

So if a team has no round 1 pick, but a second and a third, then they are limited in the amount of deficit they can carry in to the future.

If they have a first, but no second and third, then it comes off their first round pick, but again, that still limits the total deficit a team can carry.

In an extreme case, every club will know if a team can match a bid or not, and know if they put in a bid on a kid that a team can't match, that they are getting that kid.

I understand they have points with the 2 first, but they wont want to keep drifitng back each year due to deficit

Why not?

You're effectively drafting with credit, and getting access to higher talent that you would not normally get. It's no different to repeatedly trading a future first to get back in to the current draft, year after year (hello Melbourne).

Most kids drafted in the second round and beyond are hit and miss at best anyway. If you're getting a perceived rolled gold gun with your first pick, do you care if your other 3 picks are all in the 50's and 60's.

 

[briztoon]

I think blues absolutely take that

Are the crows allowed to trade F1 and F2 same draft? Not sure

For one year ahead, yes. So yes for 2026, no for 2027.

Twomey put out an article and tweet confirming this on the last day of the trade period.