Prediction Draft rumours

[RUNVS]

They aren't getting all 4 with the Bulldogs and Saints in there. They will get 2 of them whether they make a deal or not. They get the 2nd highest mid on the board (Walsh gone). Our dumb downgrading doesn't mean other clubs should follow suit. This isn't the time to give away pick 2- not unless they get extreme overs.

Then they could get Collier-Dawkins who is very good too.

If Gold Coast trade out pick 2 to Adelaide for picks 8, 13 and 21 (with Adelaide getting a second rounder back or something) then Gold Coast could go

Pick 3 - Smith
Pick 8 - Caldwell (perhaps)
Pick 13 - Hately or Collier Dawkins
Pick 21 - Valente

That would be a great evening for the Suns.

 

[Two Planks]

we can't - there was an article saying the crows along with some other clubs can't trade future picks this year as they have already traded out future picks

Unless you get other future picks back in return.

 

[Two Planks]

Are 3 and 4 way trades able to be done or just trades between 2 clubs.

That would allow clubs more chance to het the future picks back to be free to trade again.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That already was big overs. How in anyone's language is picks 8 + 13 + 21 for 2 + 24 & 29 no big overs in that hypothetical. Maybe then drop the pick 29 from the trade so it is 8 + 13 + 21 for 2 + 24. Tell me how many players in the history of the AFL have been traded for more than that..Not Treloar, dangerfield, Shiel, Neale, Beams, Hogan etc etc etc

You aren't getting two second rounders back, that would be beyond silly from GC, you might if they are feeling generous get ONE second back.

 

[RUNVS]

Then they could get Collier-Dawkins who is very good too.

If Gold Coast trade out pick 2 to Adelaide for picks 8, 13 and 21 (with Adelaide getting a second rounder back or something) then Gold Coast could go

Pick 3 - Smith
Pick 8 - Caldwell (perhaps)
Pick 13 - Hately or Collier Dawkins
Pick 21 - Valente

That would be a great evening for the Suns.

I just realised I forgot Gold Coast had pick 6 as well so

Pick 3 - Smith
Pick 6 - Caldwell
Pick 8 - Hately
Pick 13 - Collier Dawkins
Pick 21 - Valente

That would be an amazing evening for Gold Coast.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The thing is though that Gold Coast's midfield is terrible as Gold Coast were second last in 2018 for inside 50's.

Sure a player like Lukosius would be very helpful, but he is an icing player, one you go for when you have the fundamentals there already. Gold Coast need to load up on quality midfielders, they need to find a way to win their own ball more before they even consider going for a top quality forward.

Lukosius is capable of playing on the wing, and at least one draft watcher thinks that's where he'll begin his AFL career, only rotating into the forward line in 2-3 years.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Then they could get Collier-Dawkins who is very good too.

If Gold Coast trade out pick 2 to Adelaide for picks 8, 13 and 21 (with Adelaide getting a second rounder back or something) then Gold Coast could go

Pick 3 - Smith
Pick 8 - Caldwell (perhaps)
Pick 13 - Hately or Collier Dawkins
Pick 21 - Valente

That would be a great evening for the Suns.

Smith should be there at 6, well either him or Rozee should be. They should get one of those two anyway. I'd rather take Rankine or Rozee at 3, with Luco, and build from there. You back your system in. Downgrading only works in some instances. Just because our club wants to hand out picks for a couple of scraps in the 2nd round doesn't mean GC will.

I'd be more thinking GC could downgrade their 2nd rounder for a couple later in that round. Keep the 3 in the top 6.

 

[RUNVS]

Lukosius is capable of playing on the wing, and at least one draft watcher thinks that's where he'll begin his AFL career, only rotating into the forward line in 2-3 years.

If you were Gold Coast what would be more important to you, or a better option right now given the state of their list

Lukosius

or

Hately
Collier Dawkins
Valente

Sure Lukosius may have a higher ceiling than all three of the others, but right here, right now, Hately, Collier-Dawkins and Valente would be infinitely more helpful to the Suns than Lukosius.

 

[RUNVS]

Smith should be there at 6, well either him or Rozee should be. They should get one of those two anyway. I'd rather take Rankine or Rozee at 3, with Luco, and build from there. You back your system in. Downgrading only works in some instances. Just because our club wants to hand out picks for a couple of scraps in the 2nd round doesn't mean GC will.

I'd be more thinking GC could downgrade their 2nd rounder for a couple later in that round. Keep the 3 in the top 6.

Rainkine doesn't seem like the type of player a club brings in if they are trying to rebuild their club culture. He is the sort of player a club brings in if they are going to back their culture to change him.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

They are not getting Walsh, so Smith, Rozee, Caldwell and Hately should be their targets. Imagine if they got all 4, they would setup their midfield for the next 15 years with that group as all of them are going to make it, and hopefully 2 of them will be stars.

Smith is also a huge flight risk, from all reports. Unlike Rankine and Lukosius he's made no soothing noises about going interstate.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If you were Gold Coast what would be more important to you, or a better option right now given the state of their list

Lukosius

or

Hately
Collier Dawkins
Valente

Sure Lukosius may have a higher ceiling than all three of the others, but right here, right now, Hately, Collier-Dawkins and Valente would be infinitely more helpful to the Suns than Lukosius.

That's the thing though, this draft could set GC up for a tilt in say 2023. You aren't drafting players for 2019. You are drafting them for 2-3 years down the track. You back your system in.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If you were Gold Coast what would be more important to you, or a better option right now given the state of their list

Lukosius

or

Hately
Collier Dawkins
Valente

Sure Lukosius may have a higher ceiling than all three of the others, but right here, right now, Hately, Collier-Dawkins and Valente would be infinitely more helpful to the Suns than Lukosius.

You're assuming Adelaide will trade three firsts for Lukosius. And as I said before the Suns only have a certain numbers of list spots, and I doubt they'd want to blood 7-8 kids at once.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Rainkine doesn't seem like the type of player a club brings in if they are trying to rebuild their club culture. He is the sort of player a club brings in if they are going to back their culture to change him.

You do the right thing and draft Rozee then. There isn't much between Rozee and Rankine anyway. I still feel you take the best available though.

 

[RUNVS]

That's the thing though, this draft could set GC up for a tilt in say 2023. You aren't drafting players for 2019. You are drafting them for 2-3 years down the track. You back your system in.

They aren't getting anywhere near the flag in 2023 unless they fix their midfield first. Fix the midfield and then focus on the forward line.

 

[RUNVS]

Smith is also a huge flight risk, from all reports. Unlike Rankine and Lukosius he's made no soothing noises about going interstate.

This is the bullshit that Victorian fans will never understand as I bet none of them on their boards are saying "well I would like this player, but by the sounds of it he is pissing off back to his home state as soon as possible, so it would be better if we avoided him even if he is clearly the best player for our situation"

 

[LukeParkerno1]

They aren't getting anywhere near the flag in 2023 unless they fix their midfield first. Fix the midfield and then focus on the forward line.

Tell that to Hawthorn who drafted Franklin and Roughead with top 5 picks when they were rebuilding.

You do both. It would have to be a phenomenal deal for GC to give up pick 2 or 3. Luco is meant to be in a similar vein to Riewoldt. You make it work taking him.

 

[SOSforPM]

Also is a useless waste of time. If Carlton don't want Walsh, GC will pick him at 2 or 3. If they want Walsh they will pick Rozee or Rankine.

What if they both want Walsh but GC want him more?

 

[kreglze]

Caldwell may be there at 6 anyway. The club could go:

2 - Lukosius
3 - Rozee
6 - Caldwell

or if we think Rozee drops.

2 - Lukosius
3 - Rankine
6 - Rozee

Our current group of players that can realistically go through the guts in the firsts team when everyone is fit (which is our biggest problem at the club, keeping everyone fit, we have made changes there this off season, so hopefully it shows results)

Swallow
Miller
Brodie
Fiorini
Miles
Ainsworth
Weller
Martin
Bowes
Holman

We have blokes like Scheer, Heron and others in the 2's that can play there but are yet to show it in the top level of footy.

That isn't a bad list of players, it is probably a little light and idealy picks 3, 6, 24 and 29 will be midfielders we can add to that rotation as well. But I think having Lukosius play on a wing for a couple of years would also be handy anyway being a link player with elite kicking skills which then means we don't have to play one of our midfielders out on the wing. Just some thoughts.

 

[Hodgy]

That's the thing though, this draft could set GC up for a tilt in say 2023. You aren't drafting players for 2019. You are drafting them for 2-3 years down the track. You back your system in.

If GC don’t improve massively well before 2023 then they will be winning that premiership in Tasmania.
Besides do you really think they have any more faith in their “system” than the rest of the footy world does?
You are right that you should draft for the future, unfortunately I am not sure GC has that luxury. Hence the Weller for pick 2 trade last year.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What if they both want Walsh but GC want him more?

They aren’t giving you 2 and 3 for him! He’s all yours.

 

[Peel67skin]

What if they both want Walsh but GC want him more?

Then GC should win less game than Carlton this season ,knowing wooden spoon get pick no 1. Want more Walsh win less.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If GC don’t improve massively well before 2023 then they will be winning that premiership in Tasmania.
Besides do you really think they have any more faith in their “system” than the rest of the footy world does?
You are right that you should draft for the future, unfortunately I am not sure GC has that luxury. Hence the Weller for pick 2 trade last year.

At the time Weller for pick 2 in a weaker draft (Brayshaw is a gun though) I though was about market rate anyway.

You draft for 2-3 years. Get players to buy in. Use the GWS model don’t worry too much about 2019. I have faith Dew is the right guy to turn it around

 

[RUNVS]

It is also very safe to say that Adelaide won't be pulling the trigger on any big offer to Gold Coast until after Carlton have called out who they are taking for pick 1 as Adelaide would not want to trade a huge amount away for pick 2 only to find that Carlton takes Lukosius at pick 1.

 

[SOSforPM]

Then GC should win less game than Carlton this season ,knowing wooden spoon get pick no 1. Want more Walsh win less.

Might be relevant in 2019... Not sure about now and Walsh though.

 

[SOSforPM]

They aren’t giving you 2 and 3 for him! He’s all yours.

Who said 2&3?