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Draft: Stephen Hill

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All i can say is im glad i will be in Hospital when draft day comes along.
I can just imagine the crap fight on here if we take Yarran and Rich is still available :D
Good luck mods :p
 
ant555 said:
All i can say is im glad i will be in Hospital when draft day comes along.
I can just imagine the crap fight on here if we take Yarran and Rich is still available :D
Good luck mods :p
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Part of your Mod contract includes subsidized lap top hire.

I will make the necessary arrangements :p
 

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ant555 said:
All i can say is im glad i will be in Hospital when draft day comes along.
I can just imagine the crap fight on here if we take Yarran and Rich is still available :D
Good luck mods :p
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Maybe I'm being ignorant but what would happen that would require the mods to do anything apart from red carding someone?? I'm not being a smart ass I'm just curious what you guys do as mods.
 
The_Gunny_Bomber said:
Maybe I'm being ignorant but what would happen that would require the mods to do anything apart from red carding someone?? I'm not being a smart ass I'm just curious what you guys do as mods.
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Remove a lot of swearing , personal abuse and mutltipe threads on the same topic. It went rather haywire here last year when we picked Myers in front of Palmer and a few people got banned and have not returned since ;)
We are pretty lucky on this board , most of the time we dont have to clean up after numerous trolls that post crap that should not even be on bay 13.
 
ant555 said:
Remove a lot of swearing , personal abuse and mutltipe threads on the same topic. It went rather haywire here last year when we picked Myers in front of Palmer and a few people got banned and have not returned since ;)
We are pretty lucky on this board , most of the time we dont have to clean up after numerous trolls that post crap that should not even be on bay 13.
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I agree with Ant and Merv about trolling on the board.

Living in Hong Kong means that I am often online at around 2am-5am AEST and I have read some vitriolic attacks which most of us don't read because they are removed early next morning.

I would be certain that EFC will select Rich is he is available at Pick 5 .
 
Hard for me to tell, to be honest have really only seen bits and pieces of any of the potential draftees. In what I have seen (Youtube), and again it is not a lot at all, none of Yarran, Hartlett or Hurley stood out to me as possessing exceptional foot skills. In the footage I saw, Hartlett in particular got a lot of the ball but did not hit the target by foot say 9 out of approximately 10 kicks. Hurley kicked it long but also didn't hit a target and Yarran lacked penetration in his kick. As I've seen very little it's not right of me to make assumptions based on what I've seen.

I'm greatful that everyone who has seen them play (more than just Youtube) can shed further light on their capabilities. Thanks guys! :thumbsu:
 
They all have above average kicking skills, I'd say the problem with watching youtube videos of Hartlett, is a lot of his kicks are clearances and aren't great representations of field kicking. I've actually seen a bit of Hurley so I can confidently say his kicking is of a high standard I think he sets up play very well and in that would be a good replacement for Fletcher. Yarran I can't say I don't know anything other than what you've seen, but hearsay is its of a high standard.
 
IMO Stephen Hill has Kade Simpson written all over him, burst on to the scene with a good left foot but won't be able to take the next step due to his lack of size
 
Smyth94 said:
IMO Stephen Hill has Kade Simpson written all over him, burst on to the scene with a good left foot but won't be able to take the next step due to his lack of size
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I'm no massive Stephen Hill advocate, but I don't think size is going to be that big an issue.

I reckon he's frame's okay, his legs are a little bit spindly, but as far as an upper body goes, I think he'll develop. Furthermore, he has a hard edge about him. First time I saw him, I looked at him and thought he had soft receiver written all over him, but he attacks it really hard and gets in and under fairly well. He goes in for the contested ball quite effectively.

To round that off, he's also a reasonable contested mark.

At this stage, he's a much more complete package than Kade Simpson.

On another note, I find it interesting that people are quick to jump on the Stephen Hill size issue, when Hamish Hartlett has a very similar problem.
 
GoDons said:
I'm no massive Stephen Hill advocate, but I don't think size is going to be that big an issue.

I reckon he's frame's okay, his legs are a little bit spindly, but as far as an upper body goes, I think he'll develop. Furthermore, he has a hard edge about him. First time I saw him, I looked at him and thought he had soft receiver written all over him, but he attacks it really hard and gets in and under fairly well. He goes in for the contested ball quite effectively.

To round that off, he's also a reasonable contested mark.

At this stage, he's a much more complete package than Kade Simpson.

On another note, I find it interesting that people are quick to jump on the Stephen Hill size issue, when Hamish Hartlett has a very similar problem.
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I really shouldn't be commentating on such matters because I honestly don't have any clue its just that I find that today's midfielders are getting bigger and bigger and I was afraid Hill might get lost in an age where teams start looking at 185cm+ midfielders.
 

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Smyth94 said:
I really shouldn't be commentating on such matters because I honestly don't have any clue its just that I find that today's midfielders are getting bigger and bigger and I was afraid Hill might get lost in an age where teams start looking at 185cm+ midfielders.
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You could well be right.

Personally, I think he's got enough tricks and development in him for that not to be a problem, but that's essentailly a guess.

I'm working off what he's done against 17 year olds in 2 matches and some YouTube highlights, so in other words, very little. It's a guessing game really.
 
GoDons said:
On another note, I find it interesting that people are quick to jump on the Stephen Hill size issue, when Hamish Hartlett has a very similar problem.
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This does surprise me a lot as when watching them they certainly don't look the same or similar size.

A lot of these figures reported prior to draft camps and state screenings are a long way off the mark and i think that would be the case with Hartlett.

I don't agree with you on Hill as he doesn't look like he will ever have a descent frame and at that height without one, he will struggle to find a position at the elite level.
 
Merv said:
This does surprise me a lot as when watching them they certainly don't look the same or similar size.

A lot of these figures reported prior to draft camps and state screenings are a long way off the mark and i think that would be the case with Hartlett.
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They don't look the same, and they're not the same, but Hartlett was bullied at SANFL level. Obviously he'll put weight on, but I'd say he's naturally pretty wirey.

Merv said:
I don't agree with you on Hill as he doesn't look like he will ever have a descent frame and at that height without one, he will struggle to find a position at the elite level.
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Frame wise, I reckon he's widish across the shoulders, but that's just my perception, I'm not all that concrete on that one.

I don't see how he'll struggle to find a position. He's 182cm tall, he's the same height as Stanton and Lovett, it's not like he's 5'4. Personally, I think he'd slot in well off a wing or across half back.


I don't think he's a great candidate for Pick 5, I'd be leaning towards the Trengove/Hurley options and if not, probably Chris Yarran or Jack Ziebell. However, the guy's got plenty of ability and, in my mind, plenty of development ahead of him.
 
GoDons said:
They don't look the same, and they're not the same, but Hartlett was bullied at SANFL level. Obviously he'll put weight on, but I'd say he's naturally pretty wirey.
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The reason i mentioned that is they are marked as virtually the same size in draft profiles pre draft camp with Harlett being just 2kgs heavier than Hill.

GoDons said:
I don't see how he'll struggle to find a position. He's 182cm tall, he's the same height as Stanton and Lovett, it's not like he's 5'4. Personally, I think he'd slot in well off a wing or across half back.
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Footballers are getting taller all the time and HBF'ers these days are quick, agile and 6 foot+ tall as are Midfielders and Wingman and let's face it they are virtually interchangeable positions now.
 
Merv said:
Footballers are getting taller all the time and HBF'ers these days are quick, agile and 6 foot+ tall as are Midfielders and Wingman and let's face it they are virtually interchangeable positions now.
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I suppose that's the way the game's heading, but I like to think if you're good enough it doesn't matter so much.

It'll be interesting to see where Hill ends up going.
 

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GoDons said:
I suppose that's the way the game's heading, but I like to think if you're good enough it doesn't matter so much.

It'll be interesting to see where Hill ends up going.
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You're right that is the thing that can overcome any size deficiency.

Good players defy the odds time and time again and history is littered with them.

But as football evolves, i feel they won't be as common and when drafting a player, you really are looking at what he will be like in 3+ years time.

I just don't see Hill being able to compete in the midfield rotation but of course if he is real good he will overcome it.

I doubt we will have to be concerned with it anyway.
 
Merv said:
You're right that is the thing that can overcome any size deficiency.

Good players defy the odds time and time again and history is littered with them.

But as football evolves, i feel they won't be as common and when drafting a player, you really are looking at what he will be like in 3+ years time.

I just don't see Hill being able to compete in the midfield rotation but of course if he is real good he will overcome it.

I doubt we will have to be concerned with it anyway.
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You make a good point, however what players from this draft are 'ideal' for the modern game. Hurley is considered to slow to match it with the new breed of forwards, Sidebottom again is said to be one paced, Hill doesn't have the size to cement a position, Hartlett has too light a frame etc etc..

As supporters we are becoming too critical of these little things. Obviously whoever we pick is going to become a talent, just trust the recruiters when it comes to the final decision.
 
Re the Hartlett vs. Hill physical comparison (rounded figures from DC)

Hartlett: 184cm, 77kg

Hill: 184cm, 69kg

Hill 3 1/2 months older.
 
bomber69 said:
You make a good point, however what players from this draft are 'ideal' for the modern game. Hurley is considered to slow to match it with the new breed of forwards, Sidebottom again is said to be one paced, Hill doesn't have the size to cement a position, Hartlett has too light a frame etc etc..

As supporters we are becoming too critical of these little things. Obviously whoever we pick is going to become a talent, just trust the recruiters when it comes to the final decision.
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All young players have deficiencies in certain areas, some will overcome them, others won't and will will fall by the wayside.

Hurley might be slow but would probably be suited to a CHB/CHF position.

Sidebottom/Ziebell are both one paced but have other attributes that might overcome these deficiencies.
Sidebottom and Ziebell can both play back and forward, kick well both feet, mark well, kick goals etc, so they have other strings to their bow and have a descent size about them to be able to play in the midfield.

My thoughts on Hill are he is too small to ever be able to play in the Midfield and will always be a child playing a mans game.
Of course this is only my view and recruiters might see it totally differently and they know a lot more about it than me.

I don't think Hartlett has too light a frame and looks like he has the body that will allow him to build up to a reasonable sized mid, not like a Ziebell, but big enough.
 
jgb99 said:
Re the Hartlett vs. Hill physical comparison (rounded figures from DC)

Hartlett: 184cm, 77kg

Hill: 184cm, 69kg

Hill 3 1/2 months older.
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That makes a lot of sense as looking at the two of them Hartlett looks a lot bigger and i was surprised to see their weight just 2kgs apart.

As i pointed out earlier, the stats provided pre DC and SS are not accurate.

Hill at 184 is a chance to be able to take a HBF role, especially if he could add another couple of cm's but at the 182 which was reported it would be difficult for him.

69kgs......i doubt he will ever be big enough for the Midfield.

Thanks for that
 

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