Mega Thread Draft Talk Part 1

[delediofan3]

Re: drafting

In this year's draft i'd look at getting a mid with our 1st rounder.

Some people I like the look of:
Cam Eardley - "Represented WA at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships playing in all five games, averaging 14.6 disposals. He is good overhead for his size and is a strong tackler. He has very good endurance and is a contested ball player."
This is someone we need. A person who can replace Shane Tuck, except this guy can tackle.
Bradley Hill - "He is the younger brother of Fremantle's Stephen Hill. He represented WA at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, showing terrific speed and agility. He is a team-oriented player, capable of running all day. "
We need a Stephen Hill of our own, except lets make our guy more consistent than Stephen Hill.
Shane Nelson
"Averaging 22 disposals. He is very effective with his disposals and works tirelessly to get to as many contests as possible. A quick player who can play in the midfield and can go forward and kick goals."
An upgrade on Robbie Nahas.
Taylor Adams
"Averaging 18.8 possessions and four tackles over four games. An exceptional leader and role model for other players. He is a clean ball handler and strong around contested footy. He was selected as an All Australian in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships."
Jesus Christ, is this our Chris Judd????
Alex Woodward
"An inside midfielder who reads the play well around stoppages and uses the ball well by foot. He has a great work ethic and is excellent in one on one marking contests for his size. He wins the contested ball, is very creative with his hands and is very team oriented."
Sounds like another Trent Cotchin, bar the leadership qualities.
Will Hoskin-Elliott
"He has good endurance and breakaway speed. He also has a good mark overhead, uses the ball well and is a good decision maker."
Another Brett Deledio... Cha-Ching!!!

I'd be happy with any one of these players above but the one I want the most is Taylor Adams, time to kick Jackson out and let this guy come in.

NOTE: I didn't mention Coniglio, Greene or Mitchell as they are out of our reaches, I mean i'd be over the moon if we got one of them, but the chances of that happening is next to nil.

 

[tigs2010]

Re: drafting

Tigs you're hoping for a lot of sliding happening.

Anyways since when does FJ follow the mock drafts. He might have another Conca and Batchelor ready to snap up with our first or second.

Yer on second thoughts would just keep Edwards and play Maric in ruck. Probably not a huge difference anyway and watching the melb game on replay Edwards was very good. Still stuffs up a bit but will be handy as a back up player to come up from Coburg. One of those gun mids will last to pick 10 and Waldhuter should last. We will get a good mid at first pick and reasonable at second even if the players are different. Bolger goes at 30 in Knightmare's mock though. Like i said ive just guessed at who the players will be but replace the names around with someone else about the same level and the result is still the same.

 

[tigs2010]

Re: drafting

In this year's draft i'd look at getting a mid with our 1st rounder.

Some people I like the look of:
Cam Eardley - "Represented WA at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships playing in all five games, averaging 14.6 disposals. He is good overhead for his size and is a strong tackler. He has very good endurance and is a contested ball player."
This is someone we need. A person who can replace Shane Tuck, except this guy can tackle.
Bradley Hill - "He is the younger brother of Fremantle's Stephen Hill. He represented WA at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, showing terrific speed and agility. He is a team-oriented player, capable of running all day. "
We need a Stephen Hill of our own, except lets make our guy more consistent than Stephen Hill.
Shane Nelson
"Averaging 22 disposals. He is very effective with his disposals and works tirelessly to get to as many contests as possible. A quick player who can play in the midfield and can go forward and kick goals."
An upgrade on Robbie Nahas.
Taylor Adams
"Averaging 18.8 possessions and four tackles over four games. An exceptional leader and role model for other players. He is a clean ball handler and strong around contested footy. He was selected as an All Australian in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships."
Jesus Christ, is this our Chris Judd????
Alex Woodward
"An inside midfielder who reads the play well around stoppages and uses the ball well by foot. He has a great work ethic and is excellent in one on one marking contests for his size. He wins the contested ball, is very creative with his hands and is very team oriented."
Sounds like another Trent Cotchin, bar the leadership qualities.
Will Hoskin-Elliott
"He has good endurance and breakaway speed. He also has a good mark overhead, uses the ball well and is a good decision maker."
Another Brett Deledio... Cha-Ching!!!

I'd be happy with any one of these players above but the one I want the most is Taylor Adams, time to kick Jackson out and let this guy come in.

NOTE: I didn't mention Coniglio, Greene or Mitchell as they are out of our reaches, I mean i'd be over the moon if we got one of them, but the chances of that happening is next to nil.

would happily replace Waldhuter in that team with Adams/Nelson/Eardley/Kerridge. Though i think Waldhuter is bigger than most except Kerridge. Kerridge skills aren't great but would be better than Tuck in this regard and is a big solid size for us. Provided we don't trade we will end up with 2 good players plus Maric. I want to take the punt on Tipungwuti. Looks a supreme talent. Plus we need an indigenous kid for the Dreamtime game

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Re: drafting

Crozier is too flashy methinks for our number 1 pick, would rather we go for a hard runnnig mid

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: drafting

Should have added we need probably 4-6 A-Graders on the list with 2 or 3 being A+ (These being the star power)
8-10 in the B+ category (These are the very good players that as RFC supporters would regard as very good players who can rack up your 30 touches or kick a bag of goals occassionally while being consistently good player each week)
Another 6-8 in the B category and some C+ role players. (These are your bottom 6 players in the 22 that need to be of a good standard to not be exposed...This is where the losing grand finallist often get exposed.)

If we traded Edwards for a 2nd round pick as suggested then i could see a side like this in 2 years with a rating they hopefully develop to.

B: Grimes (B+) Rance (A) Dea (B)
HB: Houli (B+) Astbury/Post (B) Batchelor (B+)
C: Deledio (A) Martin (A+) Conca (B+)
HF: Kavanagh (B+) Griffiths (B) Garlett (B+)
F: Vickery (A) Riewoldt (A+) Tipungwuti (B)
R: Bolger (B+) Cotchin (A+) Foley (B+)
INT: Newman (B) S.Taylor (B+) Waldhuter (B)
SUB: Morton (B)

Just some guesses as to who we would draft but had 2011: Kavanagh, Bolger (Edwards pick) Waldhuter, Ivan Maric, Tipungwuti
2012: Garlett, S.Taylor (compo) 2nd round: best available
2013/14: Best available most likely some more midfield depth

A+
Cotchin - will be captain and our best midfielder constantly winning the clearances and cop the no.1 tag each week
Martin - Will be our trump card. Our match winner. Rack up big numbers in the middle and go forward and be capable of kicking big bags of goals.
Riewoldt - Our number 1 KPF who will win us some games off his own boot and be an AA regularly.

A
Deledio - borderline A+ but was being conservative. Can see him spending more time forward in this team as well as predominantly wing to really take advantage. Him and Martin rotating mid/forward.
Rance - will be our no.1 KPD and take the oppositions best forward and shut them down ala his jobs on J.Brown and A.Goodes.
Vickery - A nightmare for oppositions with his ruck ability/groundwork and ability to kick a bag on the 2nd/3rd defender.

B+
Grimes - looks like our 3rd tall defender who can play small, medium or tall depending on the opposition. will be our versatile type.
Houli - best kick in the team although Garlett will give that a shake i believe if we get him. Getting better contested wise and will hopefully improve some more.
Batchelor - Him and Houli are two of the best pick-ups ive seen for us. So composed, great size and a wonderful kick of the footy.
Conca - has the ability to play inside/outside and be a link man. Currently Grigg is playing the role i think Conca will take over. Hopefully will become a goalkicker in time.
Kavanagh - very highly touted but injuries have ruined his year so will hopefully slide a bit. a complete mid with speed and skills and can play in or out.
Garlett - icing on the cake type player. amazing skills and speed and as a wing will really break the lines something we really need. Wings of Garlett/Deledio is tantalising.
Foley - already a proven midfielder, and has potential to be an A-grader again but doubt he will get back to that level. Will be the type to have big games and get off the leash when Cotch/Martin are being held.
S.Taylor - x-factor half forward...great goal-sense and speed. Really like him if he slides to our compo pick.
Bolger - If he slides and we can get another pick to take him ill be wrapt. WIll take time and Maric will play number 1 for a few years. Bolger/Vickery combo will be up there with the best.

B
Dea - can see him being even better than this but at worst will be a best 22 lock down defender. due to his size/speed can play on the smalls and worry them out of the contest. needs more game time to fast-track him.
Post/Astbury - one of these needs to come on to at least this level. will only be required to take the 2nd best tall from opposition. The other will be a handy depth player for an injury.
Griffiths - CHF of the future if he stays injury free. Or swap him with Jack. Will more than likely only cop 3rd best defender which could be exciting. Like him at CHF being able to kick from 60+. Could very well develop into much higher than a B-grader as well.
Tipungwuti - if u watch the highlights package i put up this kid could be a star, capable of the impossible. Could very well be alot better than a b-grader. could also be a total bust. Worth it as a 4th rounder.
Newman - will be slowly going into decline but would add veteran experience and isn't overly quick anyway. As a depth player in our bottom 6 rather that top 10 he would be handy. He won't lose his kicking ability or leadership.
Waldhuter - As a 2nd round pick can hardly expect an A-grader but is tough as nails loves a tackle and a good kick. Good replacement for Tucky long-term. Will be a vital cog without being a star.
Morton - see him as an ideal sub. Can come on and kick a few quick goals or play in the centre. just needs to get his head right and will be better than b-grade.

Depth: Thursfield, Grigg, Jackson, Maric, Connors, Helbig, MacDonald, Jakobi, Derickx, Post/Astbury

I think your reaching with some of the B's and B+ . Some are really still project with a C afl level so some would be less than C atm. Edwards should be included.

The indigenuous kid looks a little small and light for that type of player but I am assuming at round 4 there wouldn't be too much about. I don't mind he is indigenuous for dreamtime though. What sort of mark is he?????

You team looks to small for a premiership team I think to be frank. I think I can come up with a better team in 4 years but I don't want to give any away too much atm

I would see a team more like this. Seeing Omeara I think he can play wing


Dea Rance Grimes


Batch S Reid ?????

Lids Cotch Omeara


????? Grifff Vick



JR Dobsz Martin



Rucks ????( Z Clarke type) ????? Conca



Bench: Edwards Grigg Houli half/small forward type

We will see what happens

I think Vick is an elite Ruck/forward combo as opposed to a pure forward. I think he plays better upground drifting deep to provide a lead or even presenting up the ground. If he stands next to JR the forward line would be too tall IMO deep, without a quality leading forward with pace coming from the goal line up the ground to provide ball carriers with another option!

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: drafting

We have some very good quality. Riewoldt being one of them.
If majority of our players develop and providing we keep Foley and don't go for mini-draft. We should have as quality players. Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt, Conca, Vickery, Rance, Houli, Griffiths, Grimes, Batchelor, Newman and Foley. I would trade Edwards for Port's second rounder to hopefully pick up Bolger the ruckman to play in tandem with Vicks. Take Waldhuter 2nd round like Toady did in mock draft as an inside mid (who i believe will be quality) and depending on pick we have take elliot kavanagh if he slides to pick 10 or a Crozier if we have a later pick as he is a super talent.

Next year we add a first, a second and a compo pick to our stocks. An inside mid and an outside mid and maybe a key forward to be added.

That's 6 new players and if 5 of them are genuine a or b grade quality we then have 18 a/b grade quality players. Add the potential of Astbury or Post to play CHB. Dea as a lock down defender certainly has potential. That gives us 20 players. 2013/14 first rounders and we are set. Add a FA as well. And any of our 2nd/3rd rounders as depth. Like i said Tipungwuti is a potential star that should last till late. Here is a package from his game against WA http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgR6D3-cNfg&feature=fvwrel He is the second player after O'Meara in the video who as much as i hope we trade for i know we won't.

EDIT: Forgot to add Morton to the mix. He is a B+ level player if he can get his head in a good space. His marking ability as a wing or resting forward is very good.

I like the look of O'meara, bit like K Simpson but far better mover with balance and a lovely spring into the air for marks. Looks like a genuine catch is there any vision about the tassie full forward anywhere???

 

[tigs2010]

Re: drafting

I like the look of O'meara, bit like K Simpson but far better mover with balance and a lovely spring into the air for marks. Looks like a genuine catch is there any vision about the tassie full forward anywhere???

Dobosz? I believe ive seen some. Cant remember. Ill try find it. I have skimmed over it i think. We won't be going after O'Meara i don't think realistically. Think the club will keep Foley as the risk is too high. When i rated those players as well it was more based on what they would become hopefully on potential. I mean even Martin and Cotchin aren't A+ standard yet or even close for that matter. So much improvement left. The guys i listed as potential draftees haven't played yet so was looking at potential/talent. Edwards will most likely stay as well. And Jacko and Tucky. Maybe Graham will be traded out and Maric in. And maybe take 4 ND and 1 PSD pick realistically as much as id like us to take more. In all seriousness when the side plays to Dimmas plan we look really good. Most of it is still a work in progress and very patchy at times but when it clicks we pile on the goals and our players look good. We don't play to the plan or any plan for that matter we look rubbish. Defensively still needs some work.

EDIT: Dobosz is in the same video as O'Meara and Tipungwuti. Last player in the video.

 

[Damo80]

Re: drafting

In all seriousness when the side plays to Dimmas plan we look really good. Most of it is still a work in progress and very patchy at times but when it clicks we pile on the goals and our players look good. We don't play to the plan or any plan for that matter we look rubbish.

This

IMHO, what differentiates Collingwood from most of the rest, is partly their talent, and the experience and development that has been put into this talent BUT to a larger extent, it's the game plan, and the commitment to it. You've got to ask how a first gamer can come into the Pies side and look genuinely comfortable AFL level? If you give a strong, clear message and gameplan that the players are intimate with, and committed to, then it helps make serviceable AFL players look much better than they are.

 

[TigerTime88]

Re: drafting

Kavanagh is the one I hope to slide to us. Sounds like he is a jet who is a risk because of injuries, but I would glady take that risk.

Good size...

Kavanagh, Dyson, Hoskin Elliot...sounds like plenty of quality will be around at our pick.

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: drafting

You are hard to follow Magic.... you seem to be making the point that most premiers are undeserving, and only fluke their wins.... if that's the case, what's the point of trying to build the best team. We should build the second/third/fourth best list and wait for the better team to be poorly coached so we can fluke a premiership?

I originally thought GC and GWS would automatically be future superpowers (as you have indicated as your view) based on their draft concessions, but they do have to mix a lot of AFL discards/players from state leagues etc to fill their list, and as their salary cap and list concessions wind back, and the "go home" factor comes into play, I wouldn't be surprised if they struggle to hold onto all their guns. I'm back to thinking "the champion team over the team of champions". Not so sure the two newbies will automatically be the AFL superpowers of 2015 - 2020 I once feared.

The point I was trying to make was you really need a rebuild to win a premiership these days. Brisbane was a merger. If you assume West Coast and Sydney should have been beaten by Geelong if they had there act together the quality of Geelong list via father son etc.. superior recruiting dictates the need for the rebuild philosophy. The point with Hawthorn is they started a rebuild from 2001 with Hodge for Croad via 1st pick etc... Asuming they fluked 2008 when really Geelong should have won but Hawthorn deserved it , what I am trying to say is really Hawthorn were rebuilding in 2001 for 2011 and beyond. Eg. takes 10 years or so for premierships fruits of a rebuild to be release as 2008 was a lucky anomoly. If you look at Richmond that is not far off. We started rebuild in 2004 with Lids. But we stuffed up draft picks compared to Hawthorn, poorer years for drafting, worse draft picks , compromised drafts etc... so 5 years from now will be 2016 12 years from 2004 so 12 years compared with Hawthorns 10 which is about right allowing for variables against us. GC and GWS will not have to wait 10 years because they have a greater investment of picks into their rebuild model!!!

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: drafting

Dobosz? I believe ive seen some. Cant remember. Ill try find it. I have skimmed over it i think. We won't be going after O'Meara i don't think realistically. Think the club will keep Foley as the risk is too high. When i rated those players as well it was more based on what they would become hopefully on potential. I mean even Martin and Cotchin aren't A+ standard yet or even close for that matter. So much improvement left. The guys i listed as potential draftees haven't played yet so was looking at potential/talent. Edwards will most likely stay as well. And Jacko and Tucky. Maybe Graham will be traded out and Maric in. And maybe take 4 ND and 1 PSD pick realistically as much as id like us to take more. In all seriousness when the side plays to Dimmas plan we look really good. Most of it is still a work in progress and very patchy at times but when it clicks we pile on the goals and our players look good. We don't play to the plan or any plan for that matter we look rubbish. Defensively still needs some work.

EDIT: Dobosz is in the same video as O'Meara and Tipungwuti. Last player in the video.

Had a look at Dobosz, was non-plused, nothing supernatural I could see

Seriously, the footage didn't show much apart from maybe his ability to read the ball, physical make-up and goal kicking. I will wait for some later footage hopefully showing contesting work from him so I can assess him in my on mind to get a read on how he may develop at AFL level if he gets there.

Thanks for the link

Tigers are going in the right direction, Choo Choo!!!! all aboard Tigerland express!!!

 

[tigs2010]

Re: drafting

Had a look at Dobosz, was non-plused, nothing supernatural I could see

Seriously, the footage didn't show much apart from maybe his ability to read the ball, physical make-up and goal kicking. I will wait for some later footage hopefully showing contesting work from him so I can assess him in my on mind to get a read on how he may develop at AFL level if he gets there.

Thanks for the link

Tigers are going in the right direction, Choo Choo!!!! all aboard Tigerland express!!!

Talk of him going top 10. WHich is great for us. Means one of those mids will slip to us who will hopefully turn into a very solid core player or an a-grader if we are lucky. Like i mentioned earlier we probably have our out and out stars. We potentially have 4 of the best players in the league once they fully develop plus Vickery and Rance which who knows where they get to.

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: drafting

Talk of him going top 10. WHich is great for us. Means one of those mids will slip to us who will hopefully turn into a very solid core player or an a-grader if we are lucky. Like i mentioned earlier we probably have our out and out stars. We potentially have 4 of the best players in the league once they fully develop plus Vickery and Rance which who knows where they get to.

You can never have enough stars IMO. In fact recruiting is all about finding hidden stars etc... If you can't afford them you can also trade them off for a couple of lessor lights more suitable to your team. Usually , they will stick though as can see a premiership coming up so one can never knock shooting for stars!!

After all when you win a premiership they are all stars are they not?? They certainly deserve to be!!

 

[tigs2010]

Re: drafting

When i say stars i mean genuine stars of the comp not just very good footballers. Genuine stars want to get paid. If we happen to pick another up with later picks so be it. Just saying its not an urgent thing. We just need better core players from 7-16 on the list and better bottom 6 in the 22. If we had 22 stars then great. But Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotch and Martin with potential for Vickery/Rance to reach that level too. Chances are next years draft we will get a gun as well to add to the list and if Kavanagh slips he will be very good as well provided we develop him and he stays injury free.

 

[TigerTime88]

Re: drafting

For mine if we pick up any one of the following mids in no particular order we will be laughing:

1. Dom Tyson - Great left shoe, can find the ball, win the hard ball and use outside run and is also a goal kicker. 186cm and 82kg he is also a great size.

2.Will Hoskin Elliot - Again a decent size and a huge right shoe (60m). Would be a good choice at 10 or 12 or 14.

3. Elliot Kavanagh - Another who is of good size at 187cm and 78 kgs. Seems that all round midfielder with pace. Could be an absolute steal for the club that wants to go after him.

4. Brad McKenzie - Great left shoe and kicks it a long way. Can play HBF/MIdfield and is another over the 185cm mark.

5. Buntine - Seems to be Goddardesk. Good size can play HBF or midfield. Reads the play well and some good skills to go with it. He is also a very good leader from all reports.


Any one of these guys will be able to come in and add to our midfield rotations.

Martin, Cotchin, Foley, Morton, Conca, Deledio and one of these kids is a very good midfield. Alot of them can also play HBF. With Dea, Batchelor, newman and Houli playing HBF it seems Deledio could move to this midfield rotation and not cop a tag which would be exciting.

 

[cairo tiger]

Re: drafting

what picks will we have (number) should we tank, the melbourne game had our pick sliding from 10 to 14 did it not?

 

[Rustof]

Re: drafting

Lowest pick we can get is 10 I think

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Re: drafting

GWS Giants to have Pick No.1 in each round.
GWS Giants to have Picks 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 in round one.

So picks 4 (17th), 6 (16th), 8 (15th), 10 (14th),
12 (13th), 14(12th), 16 (11th) 17 (10th).

We are 12th so yes, pick 14 it would seem. A lot can change with how games play out from now. Melb losing to Port and the Suns??

Us beating both Crows and North. Freo winning with their decimated list. But they play the Doggies, so who knows.

We could end up anywhere from as low as 14th to as high as 9th on my very quick calculations.

 

[cairo tiger]

Re: drafting

we surely dont want to end up 9th and get that pick


TANK BOYS

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Re: drafting

What North do this week will have a big impact on what sort of team (and more importantly attitude) they have against us in R24.

Win and they are a good chance for the 8, lose and R24 for them is a non-event.

 

[tigs2010]

Re: drafting

It come down to this week. Melbourne will win both theirs easily so will finish above us no matter what at least on %. Adelaide will go above us if they beat us. North should beat us if they have a finals spot on the line. I think we will probably get pick 10. And amcre i think we will get one of those 5. With Patton/Coniglio/Wingard/Grigg/Longer the top 5 almost guaranteed one of those 5 must last. If someone like Dobosz goes top 10 as he is starting to push or a Crozier or Elton for a GC who need KPF then we could have a choice between 2 or 3 of them. Tyson/Kavanagh for mine would be excellent additions as pure mids.

 

[Jimmy6019]

we surely dont want to end up 9th and get that pick


TANK BOYS

Shhh!!! There is no room for discussing simple logic or common sense regarding gaining advantage in the draft!!!

Read this carefully:
These wins are not pointless, they are critical to our future success. Winning these games against lowly/unmotivated teams is more important than securing a top 10 draft pick for a team rebuilding and crying out for elite talent.

Repeat this 100 times a day before each dead rubber. Eventually you might be slightly convinced.... Maybe???

 

[richolovesgoal]

Re: drafting

Winning our last few games and showing something is far more important than us moving up a few more spots in the draft

 

[Jimmy6019]

Winning our last few games and showing something is far more important than us moving up a few more spots in the draft

You have obviously done the above exercise. Good work!!

 

[cairo tiger]

Re: drafting

getting a heppell over someone else is more important.

thats if the recruiters do their stuff, that I am not sure of!!!!!