List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[jdisc]

posters talking shit about Hewett but theyre spelling the name right so I can't even get mad

 

[Godfather32]

Sure, gaslight yourself then

Nah, I'll just live in dreamland instead, where I fantasize about a bunch of guys we can't draft instead of comparing the ones we actually have access to and use that as an excuse to talk myself out of the next best midfielder in the draft

 

[Shueygod]

I mean...you can if we don't actually have the ability to draft them.

Agree to disagree. Don't have Annable top 5.

No, it doesn't but the chances of getting a tied player at the top end is slim to none. I'm not saying we shouldn't bid on them, but for the sake of long-term list building you're not going to look at the draft and say yeah lets plan for the next 5 years with Uwland in mind. Unless there's a real concrete chance and talk with a prospect about leaving their tied club. Patterson spoke about it offhandedly and thats the most you ever really hear about. Its just silly.

As an extreme example, if there were 15 academy players at the top of the draft would we be saying the 16th ranked prospect is a number 1 ranked prospect just because we don’t have access to the other 15?

Academy kids shouldn’t come into future calculations but when assessing how players are ranked amongst their peers of course they should be considered.

 

[txbyhull]

As an extreme example, if there were 15 academy players at the top of the draft would we be saying the 16th ranked prospect is a number 1 ranked prospect just because we don’t have access to the other 15?

Academy kids shouldn’t come into future calculations but when assessing how players are ranked amongst their peers of course they should be considered.

You're right, that is an extreme example, given with 15 tied-talent, there's basically no mathematical way for every club to match the bids. So obviously they then come into contention. That is not even close to the reality of it though.

 

[Godfather32]

You think it’s dreaming to suggest one of Hewett/Duursma can reach the level of Holmes, Ginbey can play the role of Atkins (certainty), and one of the others can reach the lofty heights of Oisin Mullin?

How pessimistic can you be.

I think it's dreaming to suggest we have the makings of a good midfield on this squad already.
It's very clear to me that we need more talent in the midfield that can win the ball.

 

[Shueygod]

You're right, that is an extreme example, given with 15 tied-talent, there's basically no mathematical way for every club to match the bids. So obviously they then come into contention. That is not even close to the reality of it though.

Sure, let’s make it 7. If there’s 7 academy tied players at the top of the draft, are we referring to the 8th ranked prospect as the best in his class?

The reality is there’s generally 4-5 tied prospects ranked above Sharp, that’s hardly a far cry from the 7 I named above.

 

[txbyhull]

Sure, let’s make it 7. If there’s 7 academy tied players at the top of the draft, are we referring to the 8th ranked prospect as the best in his class?

The reality is there’s generally 4-5 tied prospects ranked above Sharp, that’s hardly a far cry from the 7 I named above.

Do all the clubs have the necessary picks to match? Likely. Will they jump through hoops including trading future assets to get them? Likely. Are they all midfielders? Incredibly unlikely.

Fact is, 90% of the time a club will move heaven and earth to lock in a top 5 talent thats tied to them. The reality is we just don't have access to them. In your example, the 8th ranked talent would be best AVAILABLE. Given the other players are not available.

Look at it this way. Harley was far and away pick 1. Is it reasonable for clubs not picking at 1 to view the rest of the class in isolation and rank them relatively to each other? Yes. It is. Because its best available. No one would turn down the opportunity to have him, but the fact is that 99% of the time that will player won't be able to picked in the first place.

 

[Shueygod]

Do all the clubs have the necessary picks to match? Likely. Will they jump through hoops including trading future assets to get them? Likely. Are they all midfielders? Incredibly unlikely.

Fact is, 90% of the time a club will move heaven and earth to lock in a top 5 talent thats tied to them. The reality is we just don't have access to them. In your example, the 8th ranked talent would be best AVAILABLE. Given the other players are not available.

Look at it this way. Harley was far and away pick 1. Is it reasonable for clubs not picking at 1 to view the rest of the class in isolation and rank them relatively to each other? Yes. It is. Because it’s best available. No one would turn down the opportunity to have him, but the fact is that 99% of the time that will player won't be able to picked in the first place.

Is it reasonable for a club to come out and say “we got the best ranked prospect in the draft because Harley wasn’t available to us anyway”?

The statement wasn’t “Sharp isn’t a top 5 ranked prospect specifically available to the eagles in this years draft”

It was “Sharp isn’t a top 5 ranked prospect in this years draft”

Do you expect North to come out and claim they got the best ranked player in the draft at 25 because he was the best available to them?

 

[Shueygod]

I think it's dreaming to suggest we have the makings of a good midfield on this squad already.
It's very clear to me that we need more talent in the midfield that can win the ball.

Are you taking this seasons Newcombe, Nash, Worpel, Ward or the best 4 players at their peak from Reid/Duursma/Hewett/Allan/Gross/Hall/Hough/Ginbey/Mccarthy/Grego/Banfield/Evans/Dev Rob?

How about current Daicos, Pendlebury, Long, Sidebottom?

I’d be immensely disappointed if we don’t have a midfield group equal/better than those two in 4 years time from that group above.

 

[txbyhull]

Are you taking this seasons Newcombe, Nash, Worpel, Ward or the best 4 players at their peak from Reid/Duursma/Hewett/Allan/Gross/Hall/Hough/Ginbey/Mccarthy/Grego/Banfield/Evans/Dev Rob?

How about current Daicos, Pendlebury, Long, Sidebottom?

I’d be immensely disappointed if we don’t have a midfield group equal/better than those two in 4 years time from that group above.

I love your optimism

 

[Shueygod]

I love your optimism

Alright so which of these do you think is unlikely?

Peak Reid > Newcombe this season
Peak Hewett >/= Worpel this season
Peak Duursma >/= Ward this season
1 of the others >/= Nash this season

Same goes for Godfather32

 

[txbyhull]

Is it reasonable for a club to come out and say “we got the best ranked prospect in the draft because Harley wasn’t available to us anyway”?

The statement wasn’t “Sharp isn’t a top 5 ranked prospect specifically available to the eagles in this years draft”

It was “Sharp isn’t a top 5 ranked prospect in this years draft”

Do you expect North to come out and claim they got the best ranked player in the draft at 25 because he was the best available to them?

The problem is that Duursma is the only midfielder thats top 5 worthy that is also available to us

This is the original discussion. It depends whether you put the emphasis on the top 5 worthy part or the available to us part. I'm not ignoring either part, but I feel like you are.

Is it reasonable for a club to come out and say “we got the best ranked prospect in the draft because Harley wasn’t available to us anyway”?

If North came out and said "We got the best prospect outside of Harley" then yes I would say that's pretty reasonable, given he was never in the frame to land at their pick anyway.

The statement wasn’t “Sharp isn’t a top 5 ranked prospect specifically available to the eagles in this years draft”

It was “Sharp isn’t a top 5 ranked prospect in this years draft”

Again those two things are related in quite the complex manner. North for example can't say "Yeah we got ****ed over because we didn't get Harley" when he was never available in the first place. In the same way that we can't say "Yeah we got ****ed over because we got the 6th ranked player" when 2 through 5 aren't available to us.

Do you expect North to come out and claim they got the best ranked player in the draft at 25 because he was the best available to them?

No one has implied that would be the case? No one would be saying that Sharp is the top ranked player in the class beside Duursma? What would be a fair statement is that Sharp is the best available player in the class beside Duursma.

We are just arguing a matter of lexical semantics mate.

Even if you look at the actual draft class. Uwland is a wing in the Gulden mould, Patterson is a hbf with little exposed midfield form, Annable isn't better than Sharp in any of the ways people on this thread bag Sharp for, and Dean is a KPD who is also not a better player than Sharp.

 

[stallon]

We had Duggan kicking out of defence,Ginbey,Hough,Cole.
We finally get a guy who gives us speed ,skill, decision making, so naturally we put him somewhere else??

Put Duursma back there, whoever we draft at pick 13, maybe Dewar, maybe Maric gets another go- he might be better at defending after another pre-season learning defence.

We have other players

We need McCarthy even more in the middle

 

[Godfather32]

Are you taking this seasons Newcombe, Nash, Worpel, Ward or the best 4 players at their peak from Reid/Duursma/Hewett/Allan/Gross/Hall/Hough/Ginbey/Mccarthy/Grego/Banfield/Evans/Dev Rob?

How about current Daicos, Pendlebury, Long, Sidebottom?

I’d be immensely disappointed if we don’t have a midfield group equal/better than those two in 4 years time from that group above.

Mate, 2 months ago you would have included Chesser in this list and I would be surprised if he gets more than a handful of games for Carlton.
You consistently overrate our players.
The midfield is far and away the worst performing area of our team, sure a few of those guys you mentioned may end up as best 22 midfielders for us but we 100% need some better midfield talent than what's already on this list to be a contending team.

 

[Shueygod]

Mate, 2 months ago you would have included Chesser in this list and I would be surprised if he gets more than a handful of games for Carlton.
You consistently overrate our players.
The midfield is far and away the worst performing area of our team, sure a few of those guys you mentioned may end up as best 22 midfielders for us but we 100% need some better midfield talent than what's already on this list to be a contending team.

Alright so which of these do you think is unlikely?

Peak Reid > Newcombe this season
Peak Hewett >/= Worpel this season
Peak Duursma >/= Ward this season
1 of the others (let’s say Ginbey) >/= Nash this season

Same goes for Godfather32

 

[Godfather32]

Put Duursma back there, whoever we draft at pick 13, maybe Dewar, maybe Maric gets another go- he might be better at defending after another pre-season learning defence.

We have other players

We need McCarthy even more in the middle

We need McCarthy where he plays best, delivering the ball out of our backline. Heres a novel idea, how about we leave the very good defenders where they are and just bring in some better midfielders to play in the midfield

 

[txbyhull]

Alright so which of these do you think is unlikely?

Peak Reid > Newcombe this season

Different kinds of players, but obviously Harley.

Peak Hewett >/= Worpel this season

Completely different kinds of players

Peak Duursma >/= Ward this season

Ward has played 67 games, and is also not a similar player to Duursma.

1 of the others >/= Nash this season

Depends who it is


I see your point and what you're aiming for, but more so this bit.

"Are you taking this seasons Newcombe, Nash, Worpel, Ward or the best 4 players at their peak from Reid/Duursma/Hewett/Allan/Gross/Hall/Hough/Ginbey/Mccarthy/Grego/Banfield/Evans/Dev Rob?"

Allan, Gross, Hall, Hough, Ginbey, McCarthy, Grego, Banfield, Evans, and Robertson have not shown anything to imply that they can be core parts of a flag-winning midfield. You might be able to say this in a few years time and it'll look better, but taking them individually then absolutely not. You can trust that one will hopefully end up an A grader, but that will always happen when you take 10 rolls of the dice...

 

[stallon]

Whatever your thoughts on CDT vs Sharp are, there's some seriously shit takes on where our midfield is at in this thread the last 24 hours. You'd think the last few years of winning f**k all and getting absolutely smashed around the ball would have given people some sense of reality but apparently not.
Our midfield is the worst in the competition by a long way, a few flankers taken out of their best positions and thrown into the middle for a few games is not the future midfield of a premiership team, or hell even a top 8 team.

Do you not think that a large part of our midfield deficiency is due to the age of the players we have in there?

We have young mids, if they were 3 years older our midfield would NOT be as big an issue as people are making out

 

[Shueygod]

This is the original discussion. It depends whether you put the emphasis on the top 5 worthy part or the available to us part. I'm not ignoring either part, but I feel like you are.

No, you’re misunderstanding what the original poster said. He’s saying there isn’t a top 5 ranked player that is a mid in this class bar Duursma that is also available to us. You have somehow interpreted that as, Sharp not being a top 5 available prospect.

 

[stallon]

The problem is that Duursma is the only midfielder thats top 5 worthy that is also available to us

Correct answer

 

[Godfather32]

Do you not think that a large part of our midfield deficiency is due to the age of the players we have in there?

We have young mids, if they were 3 years older our midfield would NOT be as big an issue as people are making out

No, I think a large part of our midfield deficiency is because we lack talented players capable of winning the ball in the midfield.

 

[stallon]

I mean...you can if we don't actually have the ability to draft them.

If theyre not a top 5 talent then theyre not a top 5 talent.
Sharp fits here, hes in the 6-10 area probably, where CDT is at number 2 or 3 depenidng who you ask, only later if you are biased for some reason

 

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[stallon]

In these discussions people vastly underestimate how young our midfield actually is.

No shit it’s the worst in the league.

Players 22 or younger with top 4 CBA’s for their team this year.
Soligo - 22 - 438
Will Ashcroft - 21 - 398
N.Daicos - 21 - 476
N.Long - 22 - 399
Humphrey - 21 - 242
Callaghan - 22 - 469
Ward - 21 - 299
Sheezel - 21 - 260
JHF - 22 - 250
Garcia - 20 - 245
Reid - 20 - 314
Hewett - 21 - 265
Hough - 22 - 258

There’s 13 total in the league, eagles have 3 of them.

including the youngest and the equal 2nd youngest- who also missed a season of development

Could easily be argued we have 2 of the 3 least ready to be full time mids based off time in the AFL environment

 

[txbyhull]

No, you’re misunderstanding what the original poster said. He’s saying there isn’t a top 5 ranked player that is a mid in this class bar Duursma that is also available to us. You have somehow interpreted that as, Sharp not being a top 5 available prospect.

I suppose, depends if you're one of the people that includes tied-talent in that. I don't, because its just petty to whinge about. There's no point getting up in arms about them imo, so I just wipe them off my board in instances like this.

If you DO include them you still have Robey, if you DON'T you've got Robey, Sharp, Grlj, or Cumming depending on if you have Cumming, Grlj or XT

And this is where I pivoted the discussion. I disagreed with the premise inherently.

Even if you look at the actual draft class. Uwland is a wing in the Gulden mould, Patterson is a hbf with little exposed midfield form, Annable isn't better than Sharp in any of the ways people on this thread bag Sharp for, and Dean is a KPD who is also not a better player than Sharp.

Even given the OPs premise, 2 players ranked above Sharp are not proper midfielders, Duff-Tytler is a ruck/kpf, and then you've got Robey. Here's my ranking of the top prospects for reference.

Willem Duursma

Zeke Uwland - Is a winger

Sullivan Robey - Is a mid

Cooper Duff-Tytler - Is a ruck/kpf

Xavier Taylor - Is a third tall kpd

Dan Annable - Same deficiencies as Sharp

Dylan Patterson - Is a hbf

Dyson Sharp