List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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[Happy Mastenator]

No I didn't. Farrow comes in at 13 if we look at raw numbers.

I may have miscounted though, counting to 11 instead of 13.

Uwland, Patterson, Annable, Dean. That's 4. Moves 13 to 17. That's NHH

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[eaglevision]

Blues
The most intriguing. I think they were big winners in the trade period. They have 2 x R1 picks for 2025, 2026 and 2027. Dean is a FS expected to go in top 8 in R1 and Ison more like 20 to 20. I suspect they will want to move 9 or 11 to 2026 for Walker and happy to split the other pick for a points. Will they try to play smart with getting a pick in before Dean?

A simple deal with Blues of 13 + 33 + 41 is more than enough premium to entice pick 9. (yes, I know we would need to play games on 41 as they dealt it to us). We could get multiple clubs involved - Norf might want 25 + 26 for 13!

GCS and Lions picks are fairy irrelevant to us, we won’t trade down and we don’t have the picks to trade up if 13 is not included.

Blues strategy will be interesting. They won’t want to carry a 1R points deficit into next year with Walker and only being allowed to use two picks to match. On that basis we can probably rule out them out of trying to get ahead of the Dean bid.

I suspect they’ll looked to push one pick (hopefully 11) into next year’s draft with a F1 from a non finalist. Demons may bite already holding GCS F1. 9, F2 (CARL) for 37, F1 (MELB) for example.

I do think sliding 9 to 13 whilst picking up the equivalent of pick 37 would be appealing to them, given they could then find another buyer of 13 on the night.

Another question is what F1 would we accept for pick 13 in the event that we can’t trade up? Personally I’d probably be comfortable trading that with any of the non finalists apart from WBD and SYD (who don’t have theirs anyway) provided we got a later pick back this year for matching.

 

[Bestbird]

Uwland, Patterson, Annable, Dean. That's 4. Moves 13 to 17. That's NHH

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Probably a choice of Lindsay, Greeves, NHB, Phillipou or Dovaston

Moving from 13 to 9 brings into play Marsh, Farrow, Cummings, Schubert

 

[ACT_EAGLE]

Evans should be a priority, most upside probably and also a mid so even if its 3rd round we just match imo.

During the year Evan was doing his rehab at the west coast facility reportedly so I tend to think that there has been an investment.

 

[eaglevision]

Assuming we can get 9 for 13,34,41 my best guess for the picks relevant to us:

1-Willem Duursma (WCE)
2-Cooper Duff-Tytler (WCE)
3-Sam Grlj (RICH)
4-Sullivan Robey (RICH)
5-Dyson Sharp (ESS)
6-Sam Cumming (ESS)
7-Xavier Taylor (MELB)
8-Aidan Schubert (MELB)
9-Lachy Dovaston (WCE)
10-Josh Lindsay (HAW)
11-Mitchell Marsh (CARL)*
12-Oliver Greeves (GWS)
13-Jacob Farrow (CARL)*

*Will be traded

In the mix: Phillipou, NHH, Emmett
Possible bolters: O Taylor, Barker

Huge difference between trading 2 for Essendon’s picks vs Melbourne’s picks IMO, obviously clubs may see it differently with fairly even talent between pick 3 and 10.

 

[plays tall 1]

During the year Evan was doing his rehab at the west coast facility reportedly so I tend to think that there has been an investment.

But have we made a commitment?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Uwland, Patterson, Annable, Dean. That's 4. Moves 13 to 17. That's NHH

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Yes, I know.
I admitted I miscounted.
What the heck do you want me to do? Apologise? Ok! Ok! I'm sorry! I counted to 11 instead of 13 and landed on the wrong player name.

My god, it's not like rookieme is a crystal ball to you. My point was that pick 13 aint bad.

 

[Barrybran]

I think we need to get used to the idea of using 13. Carlton need to sell 10 + 11 but 13 is kinda useless to them and they can't take back 41. It's also right where Farrow is protected to go.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Yes, I know.
I admitted I miscounted.
What the heck do you want me to do? Apologise? Ok! Ok! I'm sorry! I counted to 11 instead of 13 and landed on the wrong player name.

My god, it's not like rookieme is a crystal ball to you. My point was that pick 13 aint bad.

No need to apologise, just take the walk of shame

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Assuming we can get 9 for 13,34,41 my best guess for the picks relevant to us:

1-Willem Duursma (WCE)
2-Cooper Duff-Tytler (WCE)
3-Sam Grlj (RICH)
4-Sullivan Robey (RICH)
5-Dyson Sharp (ESS)
6-Sam Cumming (ESS)
7-Xavier Taylor (MELB)
8-Aidan Schubert (MELB)
9-Lachy Dovaston (WCE)
10-Josh Lindsay (HAW)
11-Mitchell Marsh (CARL)*
12-Oliver Greeves (GWS)
13-Jacob Farrow (CARL)*

*Will be traded

In the mix: Phillipou, NHH, Emmett
Possible bolters: O Taylor, Barker

Huge difference between trading 2 for Essendon’s picks vs Melbourne’s picks IMO, obviously clubs may see it differently with fairly even talent between pick 3 and 10.

This would be a waste of picks 1 and 2.

That would mean the only proven full time midfielder we take in the draft is Banfield as a discounted F/S.

Whilst I love Harley in the list, I suspect he is best used in a role like Petracca, Dangerfield, Dusty and Heeney. He is best used as a burst player that does not need to be the aerobic king and a full time mid. We need players like Sharp and Cumming to be the full time mids.

Looking through the other mids we have: -
Hewett - I believe he is best used as a high half forward. He is better at general stoppages and less effective at Centre Clearances.
Gross - Difficult to say as he did not have the tank yet. I hope he will address that over the next 2 summers and come in as a FT mid.
Allan - not a great 1st year for him but is he a winger, a HBF or a mid?
Hall - looks to be decent WAFL depth that can fill in when required but not core to an elite midfield



My main concern is that I cannot predict where either Duursma or CDT would play IF they develop well and become elite players. I am OK in taking 1, but to take both is a mitigated disaster. Have we a developing set of midfielders that we have absolute confidence will be in our next premiership charge?


So I see 2 options.

1. We use pick 2 for a full time mid. Sharp has the track record and it has been a long time since we recruited someone with his skill set (Thank you Pieman ). I personally think Cumming would be a good option (and yes some will call stretch) but he is the most skilled that I see. Robey has come in late.

2. We split the CDT pick 2 with Dons and go 2+13 for 5+6. Hell, I would be OK throwing in one of 34 or 41 if push comes to shove. Not extracting full value but that is how bad CDT would be at 2. At 5 and 6, there will be 2 players that can better fit our need. Pick 2 from Robey, Sharp, Cumming or Grlj.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

All in all I'm pretty comfortable with our strategy moving into this years draft. I can see why the club is comfortable with the list spots we have available. Barnett and Johnston will be out of contract next year and should both be easy delist candidates, and we will need players to delist.

We've got some great picks at the pointy end and some potentially decent NGAs. Best to take the top talent in a shallow draft, cut harder next year and take those picks into what projects to be a much deeper draft. Might not be the sugar hit we all want, but its a sound strategy.

Only thing I want to see us achieve from here, is move up to Carlton's pick 9 from 13. Crossing my fingers we don't see a bid on Evans too, and I suppose we could still see Cripps moved onto the rookie list or retired.

Bring on the mutha ****ing draft!

 

[rebel23]

If bidding at pick 1 means GC run out of points and can only take one of Uwland or Paterson, then stuff optics, we need to bid.
But if they have the points to match both, then I agree. Give Duursma the pick 1 honour and if we can cbf, bid at #2.

Bid on uwland... Make Gold coast take him.
I don't think the club wants pick 1 drama again like with the Worst Australian and media pundits hounding Harley..

Sneaky way to get out of it

 

[Obeanie1]

This would be a waste of picks 1 and 2.

That would mean the only proven full time midfielder we take in the draft is Banfield as a discounted F/S.

Whilst I love Harley in the list, I suspect he is best used in a role like Petracca, Dangerfield, Dusty and Heeney. He is best used as a burst player that does not need to be the aerobic king and a full time mid. We need players like Sharp and Cumming to be the full time mids.

Looking through the other mids we have: -
Hewett - I believe he is best used as a high half forward. He is better at general stoppages and less effective at Centre Clearances.
Gross - Difficult to say as he did not have the tank yet. I hope he will address that over the next 2 summers and come in as a FT mid.
Allan - not a great 1st year for him but is he a winger, a HBF or a mid?
Hall - looks to be decent WAFL depth that can fill in when required but not core to an elite midfield



My main concern is that I cannot predict where either Duursma or CDT would play IF they develop well and become elite players. I am OK in taking 1, but to take both is a mitigated disaster. Have we a developing set of midfielders that we have absolute confidence will be in our next premiership charge?


So I see 2 options.

1. We use pick 2 for a full time mid. Sharp has the track record and it has been a long time since we recruited someone with his skill set (Thank you Pieman ). I personally think Cumming would be a good option (and yes some will call stretch) but he is the most skilled that I see. Robey has come in late.

2. We split the CDT pick 2 with Dons and go 2+13 for 5+6. Hell, I would be OK throwing in one of 34 or 41 if push comes to shove. Not extracting full value but that is how bad CDT would be at 2. At 5 and 6, there will be 2 players that can better fit our need. Pick 2 from Robey, Sharp, Cumming or Grlj.

So 2 plus 13 plus a 2nd.

For 5 and 6 that becomes 9 and 10.

Are we the club desperate to split?

Or are they the club desperate to land a top 2 player and sell hope?

Essendon instigated the trade concept.

So why do you feel we need to keep adding picks to sweeten the deal? We don't and we shouldn't.

Even I will have a mini melt if we give up 2, 13 PLUS a 2nd for live picks 9 and 10.

 

[chaddy22]

People worrying about lists spots in one of the weakest drafts.
Just use our top three picks on top talent.
Are all our NGA'S that good? Take the best and if we miss one no worries.
Next year is a better draft? Also hopefully a few better NGA'S

 

[FatPizza]

So 2 plus 13 plus a 2nd.

For 5 and 6 that becomes 9 and 10.

Are we the club desperate to split?

Or are they the club desperate to land a top 2 player and sell hope?

Essendon instigated the trade concept.

So why do you feel we need to keep adding picks to sweeten the deal? We don't and we shouldn't.

Even I will have a mini melt if we give up 2, 13 PLUS a 2nd for live picks 9 and 10.

Even Clarke said that. We're not selling the pick, they're offering to buy the pick.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

I have tried not to get attached to any prospects this year (as I am sure the club will think differently to me).

I am expecting Dursma and CDT at 1 and 2. I can live with that as long as we don't pick a HBF (like Farrow or Lindsay) with 13 (or 9).

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So 2 plus 13 plus a 2nd.

For 5 and 6 that becomes 9 and 10.

Are we the club desperate to split?

Or are they the club desperate to land a top 2 player and sell hope?

Essendon instigated the trade concept.

So why do you feel we need to keep adding picks to sweeten the deal? We don't and we shouldn't.

Even I will have a mini melt if we give up 2, 13 PLUS a 2nd for live picks 9 and 10.

So you would melt if we gave up a live pick 5 and 17 and what is now 41 for 8 and 9

You very conveniently discount 5 and 6 but make out as if 2 is pure when we should have already bid on Uwland Annables and Patterson. Pick 2 becomes 5 in no time. Pick 13 become 17 (add in Dean)

 

[TwoStriders]

There are 3 clubs needing to manoeuvre for early bids on players.

Lions - Annables likely top 5 pick
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Suns - Uwland and Patterson both likely top 6 picks
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Blues - Dean likely top 10 pick
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Summary:

Lions will sell off 17 and 23 on the night and will therefore make a profit and should have sufficient points. Will 100% match Annables as they can go into a slight deficit even if bid on at 1. They have Caylen Murray and Matt Owen as Academy prospects but at best, I rate them R1 to R2 in a very early assessment.

Suns
Will also sell off 15 18 and 24 on the night for a profit. If we bid early on both Patterson and Uwland, they will have enough points even if they have to trade in futures. They will likely lose more prospects next year so they will not worry about being in deficit. Their Academy best prospect is Archie Hill and I have a mid to late R2 on him.

Blues
The most intriguing. I think they were big winners in the trade period. They have 2 x R1 picks for 2025, 2026 and 2027. Dean is a FS expected to go in top 8 in R1 and Ison more like 20 to 20. I suspect they will want to move 9 or 11 to 2026 for Walker and happy to split the other pick for a points. Will they try to play smart with getting a pick in before Dean?

A simple deal with Blues of 13 + 33 + 41 is more than enough premium to entice pick 9. (yes, I know we would need to play games on 41 as they dealt it to us). We could get multiple clubs involved - Norf might want 25 + 26 for 13!

The Blues situation is interesting.

Hypothetically if that 13/33/41 for 9 deal happened… then Dean was bid on at pick 7... Carlton would match with pick 11 and have about a 180 point remaining deficit that would slide pick 13 down to pick 17 right? Or can they match the 180 point deficit with a later pick?

 

[eaglevision]

So 2 plus 13 plus a 2nd.

For 5 and 6 that becomes 9 and 10.

Are we the club desperate to split?

Or are they the club desperate to land a top 2 player and sell hope?

Essendon instigated the trade concept.

So why do you feel we need to keep adding picks to sweeten the deal? We don't and we shouldn't.

Even I will have a mini melt if we give up 2, 13 PLUS a 2nd for live picks 9 and 10.

Essendon coming for pick 2 would be a godsend to turn CDT and pick 13 into two very good midfielders. I think they will offer 5 and 6 for 2 and 13 TBH and we should take it and run.

Pick 34 unless used to match an early bid (GCS/Lions/Carlton) will be almost worthless by the time it comes around. Trading it for GCS/Lions/Blues F2 is probably the play there, with some change coming back if it’s a QLD team.

 

[eaglevision]

The Blues situation is interesting.

Hypothetically if that 13/33/41 for 9 deal happened… then Dean was bid on at pick 7... Carlton would match with pick 11 and have about a 180 point remaining deficit that would slide pick 13 down to pick 17 right? Or can they match the 180 point deficit with a later pick?

If they did the pick 9 deal with us they will almost certainly try and trade 11 for a F1 and hopefully some later points this year.

 

[noobermensch]

Farrow has become one of the more intriguing talents in the pool over the course of the season, starting the year as a mid sized rebounding defender with a penetrating and classy left boot, he ended the season playing largely through the midfield as we see in this game here, with definite shades of the Hayden Young

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Hayden Young

Age

24

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

or Ed Richards

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Ed Richards

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

about him. Unlike other half backs that move into the middle, Farrow has already shown stoppage craft and the ability to still find space on the spread to make use of that fantastic left boot of his, although his radar was a little off in this game.

 

[Farmer Lister]

I really want Evans. If he gets bid on, we might have to let him go. I hope he isn't bid on, his ceiling is very high.

Why would we let him go? He's a mid with huge upside

 

[random260]

Haven't watched Clarke video. People just need to connect the dots. Dyson Sharp will be an eagle.

Nobody needs to debase themselves to twist themselves to love CDT. Really embarrasing.

How can one love somebody who did appalling at the national championship. And didn't even rank top 10 for jumping as expected.

Cal himself said he was uncertain at cdt

 

[squashface]

Haven't watched Clarke video. People just need to connect the dots. Dyson Sharp will be an eagle.

Nobody needs to debase themselves to twist themselves to love CDT. Really embarrasing.

How can one love somebody who did appalling at the national championship. And didn't even rank top 10 for jumping as expected.

Cal himself said he was uncertain at cdt

Feels like you're just laying the groundwork for one of your trademark all time melts when we hold 2, select CDT and don't pick Sharp.

 

[Doashuey]

Yep, he's on the main list.
Would also consider Cripps (uncontracted), Owies, Johnston and Cole. Basically anyone with little or no chance of being poached by another team. Hoping Owies is though...

Cole just signed a 2 year extension so that's not going to happen.