List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Wooshaaaa]

I'd delist Barnett and take Curtin with a later pick in a heartbeat.

I really want Evans. If he gets bid on, we might have to let him go. I hope he isn't bid on, his ceiling is very high.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Carlton supporter coming in peace. How would you feel about this trade:

Carlton give: Pick 9, Pick 11, Sydney 2026 F1, Carlton 2027 F3
West Coast Give: Pick 13, 41, 53, West Coast 2026 F1

Gives you Picks 1, 2, 9, 11, 34 going into the draft instead of a bunch of backend picks that you won't be able to use (after you've filled out your 5 slots). Gives us enough to match our F/S this year, our NGA this year, and makes it easier for us to match our Top 3 F/S next year. The points roughly even out, if you come 16th next year and Sydney comes 3rd.

Probably still in Carlton's favour, but something of this general shape...thoughts?

We aren't giving up our future first. Will be a top 3 pick again.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Carlton supporter coming in peace. How would you feel about this trade:

Carlton give: Pick 9, Pick 11, Sydney 2026 F1, Carlton 2027 F3
West Coast Give: Pick 13, 41, 53, West Coast 2026 F1

Gives you Picks 1, 2, 9, 11, 34 going into the draft instead of a bunch of backend picks that you won't be able to use (after you've filled out your 5 slots). Gives us enough to match our F/S this year, our NGA this year, and makes it easier for us to match our Top 3 F/S next year. The points roughly even out, if you come 16th next year and Sydney comes 3rd.

Probably still in Carlton's favour, but something of this general shape...thoughts?

No-one is getting any of our 2026 F picks. Not happening.

13 34 for 9 works though.

 

[txbyhull]

Carlton supporter coming in peace. How would you feel about this trade:

Carlton give: Pick 9, Pick 11, Sydney 2026 F1, Carlton 2027 F3
West Coast Give: Pick 13, 41, 53, West Coast 2026 F1

Gives you Picks 1, 2, 9, 11, 34 going into the draft instead of a bunch of backend picks that you won't be able to use (after you've filled out your 5 slots). Gives us enough to match our F/S this year, our NGA this year, and makes it easier for us to match our Top 3 F/S next year. The points roughly even out, if you come 16th next year and Sydney comes 3rd.

Probably still in Carlton's favour, but something of this general shape...thoughts?

Unfortunately for every other club, there is a near 0% chance we trade a future 1st. Given you know… we’re shit. If there was any trade to go through between the clubs I think it’s more likely that it looks like 2, F2, STK F2 and some late picks swaps this draft for 9, 11, CAR F1, SYD F1. But even that pretty much will not happen as it takes out of the range for any seriously good midfielders

 

[LewyBroome]

Oh did you mean Robey?

Bingo

 

[WCE777]

Taking 5 spots into the national draft means we are prepared for bids on Williams and Banfield.
Sound strategy to be prepared and they will know well before where they will be expecting a bid.

If there are no bids expected before pick 37 then WC will consolidate picks to get further up the draft.
Realistically can get further up with 13, 34, 41 being equivalent to pick 6/7 where Cumming should be available.

Probably unrealistic to get pick 6/7 from ESS or MEL as they will be after best players available and most likely have similar targets at that pick.
Cumming getting through to pick 13 is very unrealistic from his form.

I expect we will need to get 1 of the RICH picks 3/4 to get access to Cumming to take away Duursma/Sharp/Cumming from the draft.
If we are keen on these 3 players as we should be I would be using picks 13, 34 and STK F2nd(pick 30) to get pick 4 from RICH and picking all 3.

I would then be pushing all picks not used into 2026 if bids for Williams and Banfield come after pick 37 we should have picks 41 and 53 to push into next draft.

This strategy gets us Duursma/Sharp/Cumming and sets up the midfield and only uses picks not being used and the Ryan STK F2nd pick to upgrade.

The only list need we will be short on is another KPD prospect in this years draft, who should we feel inclined we can pick up with a late pick or rookie, Ainsworth is the player I would target.
Leaves us with all our natural picks for 2026 and a couple of extra 3rd round picks for NGA/FS prospects.

 

[txbyhull]

Extremely wishful thinking but I’m sure there’s a world where a trade-down can be facilitated to 4 and 5 with Tiges and Bombers that lets us take CDT and Sharp at 4 and 5. I am dead certain Richmond go Robey and Grlj even if CDT is available

 

[WCE777]

I really want Evans. If he gets bid on, we might have to let him go. I hope he isn't bid on, his ceiling is very high.

Evans should be a priority, most upside probably and also a mid so even if its 3rd round we just match imo.

 

[TheBudgies]

It's bullshit that a 1 win team can be tight for list spots.

In a year we seem to have decent FS/NGA prospects no less.

The problem is that we have the same number of players that have played <10 games as have played >100 games. It makes it pretty hard to determine who is able to be delisted and replaced. There is no point cutting people just to add new ones if we haven't been able to determine who might be AFL quality if given time and resources.

Also some players like Long and Maric have shown traits that may get them to being AFL mainstays. Hard to be sure but potentially which makes it hard to make the call the delist.

 

[stallon]

It's bullshit that a 1 win team can be tight for list spots.

In a year we seem to have decent FS/NGA prospects no less.

We have drafted so many players over the last couple of years, most of the list is too young to give up on just yet.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Carlton supporter coming in peace. How would you feel about this trade:

Carlton give: Pick 9, Pick 11, Sydney 2026 F1, Carlton 2027 F3
West Coast Give: Pick 13, 41, 53, West Coast 2026 F1

Gives you Picks 1, 2, 9, 11, 34 going into the draft instead of a bunch of backend picks that you won't be able to use (after you've filled out your 5 slots). Gives us enough to match our F/S this year, our NGA this year, and makes it easier for us to match our Top 3 F/S next year. The points roughly even out, if you come 16th next year and Sydney comes 3rd.

Probably still in Carlton's favour, but something of this general shape...thoughts?

Thought you were being sneaky with that one, hey?
Offer us Sydney's F1 because they're likely to be top 8, instead of Carltons who are a good chance at bottom 4.

"oh we just want to move draft picks into 2026, how about we take that F1 off your hands for these juicy top 10 picks this year?" like we're deluded enough on here to think it won't be top 3.

That FF3 though, that really sweatens the deal. That sweet sweet pick 85 in the compromised 2027 draft.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Unfortunately for every other club, there is a near 0% chance we trade a future 1st. Given you know… we’re shit. If there was any trade to go through between the clubs I think it’s more likely that it looks like 2, F2, STK F2 and some late picks swaps this draft for 9, 11, CAR F1, SYD F1. But even that pretty much will not happen as it takes out of the range for any seriously good midfielders

Norf trading away a F1 last year has given everyone hope that other bad clubs will be equally stupid.

 

[TheBudgies]

Carlton supporter coming in peace. How would you feel about this trade:

Carlton give: Pick 9, Pick 11, Sydney 2026 F1, Carlton 2027 F3
West Coast Give: Pick 13, 41, 53, West Coast 2026 F1

Gives you Picks 1, 2, 9, 11, 34 going into the draft instead of a bunch of backend picks that you won't be able to use (after you've filled out your 5 slots). Gives us enough to match our F/S this year, our NGA this year, and makes it easier for us to match our Top 3 F/S next year. The points roughly even out, if you come 16th next year and Sydney comes 3rd.

Probably still in Carlton's favour, but something of this general shape...thoughts?

Could see us doing 13, 41, 53 for 9 with a swap of future 2nds maybe.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Thought it worth capturing the before and after. This includes trade, free agency and AFL assistance.

We have added in 1,664 points with the first 2 picks and a another very good teens R1 pick.

 

[jesterwester]

Optically we wouldn’t match bids at pick I wouldn’t have thought, unless we were concerned that a player would benefit not having the #1 tag follow him around. That doesn’t seem to be the case with Duursma though.

All for using #2 to bid on all the Brisbane/GC academy boys though.

There’s a reason GC were quite happy to trade 7&8 away for a 30 year old Petracca, because they knew they are getting a top pick in any case. They need to pay up as much as possible.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

And we have a powerful hand to buy 9 or 11



It will get better with 3 early bid on the Qld trio. The points for 34 and 41 will come in as the 2 Qld picks in the R2 and R3 will come in fast

 

[CountryLad]

Needs to work on the trajectory of his kicking. Haven’t seen that many loopy up and under kicks since Matt Rosa was running around for us.

Contest work looks good though and seems an accurate set shot. Even though his set shot kicking also looks equally ungainly.

His kicking whilst not his strongest point is decent. That day was very windy so difficult for everyone to hit targets. Some of his other games show what he’s capable of kicking wise.

 

[FatPizza]

Not really sure I really want to improve 13 if it costs us the ability to match bids on our NGAs/Banfield...

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Optically we wouldn’t match bids at pick I wouldn’t have thought, unless we were concerned that a player would benefit not having the #1 tag follow him around. That doesn’t seem to be the case with Duursma though.

All for using #2 to bid on all the Brisbane/GC academy boys though.

There’s a reason GC were quite happy to trade 7&8 away for a 30 year old Petracca, because they knew they are getting a top pick in any case. They need to pay up as much as possible.

If bidding at pick 1 means GC run out of points and can only take one of Uwland or Paterson, then stuff optics, we need to bid.
But if they have the points to match both, then I agree. Give Duursma the pick 1 honour and if we can cbf, bid at #2.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Not really sure I really want to improve 13 if it costs us the ability to match bids on our NGAs/Banfield...

If we follow Rookie me power ratings, #13 nets us Josh Lindsay with Greeves, NHH & Doveston also still on the board.
Pick 13 is still a good pick.

 

[eaglevision]

Trade period is done and dusted for another year so our full attention now turns to the National Draft to be held in just under 5 weeks time over November 19 (R1), 20 (R2 onwards) and 21 (Rookie draft and PSD)

Our draft hand is now set, although it remains possible for clubs to trade draft picks up to and during the draft.

The picks we currently hold are :

• R1- 1,2,13
• R2- 34,41
• R3- 53,58

We can only take into the draft the same number of picks as we have vacant list spots. Matthew Clarke has said we have 5 open spots on the main list and 4 rookie list vacancies courtesy of the AFL list concessions we were given.

That may change pending new contracts being given to Jamie Cripps, Malakai Champion and Coen Livingstone who remain uncontracted- at least publicly since no formal announcement has been made. Livingstone looms as a possible delisting whilst Cripps and Champion have both reportedly been offered contracts.

The club has also committed to adding Deven Robertson to the squad as either a DFA or (more likely) a SSP signing which would allow him to be added to the rookie list

Players can also be moved from the main list to the rookie list by delisting them and redrafting them in the RD if more main list spots are needed, although there’s been no indication from the club they intend doing this

Normally the PSD is a non event but with Brisbane and Adelaide failing to settle on a trade for Callum Ah Chee, he will now likely be available in that draft. West Coast have pick 1 giving us the opportunity to add Ah Chee at no trade cost albeit on contract terms that he can/will stipulate. However, that option has all but been ruled out by Clarke which will disappoint some posters

Heading into the draft, West Coast also have the ability to match bids on our Father/Son (Charlie Banfield- son of Drew) and three NGA players (Tylah Williams, Koby Evans and Wes Walley). Matching bids requires the following:

• Picks 1-18: Points value of the pick less 10% discount
• Picks 19-36: Points value of the pick less an 84 point discount
• Picks 37+: The next available pick held
• For NGA players who don’t receive a bid, the club can add them to the Cat B rookie list at the conclusion of the main draft

In an interview post trade period (link below), Clarke has said we intend to use a minimum of 4 draft picks, are unlikely to split either pick 1 or 2 and will look to consolidate our later picks to improve our position further

How might things play out then:

• Picks 1 and 2 we intend to keep, although we are likely to receive offers for those with Essendon (who hold picks 5 and 6) and/or Melbourne (holding picks 7 and 8) the best placed to grab our attention
• Pick 13 might be used with our later picks to move higher up the order although Carlton with picks 9 and 11 appear the only possibility
• Picks 34,41,53,58 - at this stage with only 5 vacant list spots, picks 53 and 58 are surplus and will vanish unless we either create an additional spot or trade those 4 picks to move up the draft this year or for future picks
• Matching bids - it’s unknown exactly when bids will come although there’s speculation Williams could attract a late R1 bid which would be somewhere in the mid twenties. As it stands picks 34 and 41 hold enough points value combined to match a bid from pick 23 onwards. A bid for Banfield earlier than pick 37 seems unlikely so there should be no issue matching should we choose. Evans might receive a late bid but probably needs to be overlooked for us to add him as a Cat B rookie as we may not have an available list spot to match a bid. Walley probably gets through the main draft without a bid so could be added as a Cat B
• We will also hold pick 1 in the rookie draft which would give us the opportunity to add a player to the rookie list depending on list strategy
• Any remaining spots to be filled signing players as SSP options possibly following a train on period to assess candidates

In summary, to complete our list based on available spots:

Main list:
• 3x R1 picks
• 2x matched bids - Williams and Banfield

Rookie list:
• Robertson
• NGA additions - Evans and/or Walley if no bids received
• Balance of list to be filled by up to 2 mature aged players via pick 1 in the RD and/or SSP signings

Matt Clarke interview

Thought it was a good interview. It does sound like we won’t be carrying picks to match bids. As he said, either trade up (I’d hope to 9 which is a far better pick than 11 this year -Dovaston or Lindsay I think- ), or trade 34 and 41 for F2s which will give us far better value than it would this year.

The other things that were clear were the references to Chad Warner without naming him and sounds bullish on getting him as a FA for the 2028 season.

The way he spoke about the talent levels in the draft there’s now little doubt in my mind that pick 2 is for CDT. It’s accepted by the majority industry wide that Duursma and CDT are the two best talents and I think that’s what he was alluding too.

It may be we’d prefer trade that pick with Bombers or Dees but Clarke is making it clear that pick will not come cheap.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If we follow Rookie me power ratings, #13 nets us Josh Lindsay with Greeves, NHH & Doveston also still on the board.
Pick 13 is still a good pick.

No it doesn't. You've just looked at raw numbers and not taken into account academy and father sons.

Pick 13 is a live pick at pick 17 (assuming Carlton trade out) and that means Lindsay and Greeves are off the board.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

No it doesn't. You've just looked at raw numbers and not taken into account academy and father sons.

Pick 13 is a live pick at pick 17 (assuming Carlton trade out) and that means Lindsay and Greeves are off the board.

No I didn't. Farrow comes in at 13 if we look at raw numbers.

I may have miscounted though, counting to 11 instead of 13.

 

[Jukes]

Thought it was a good interview. It does sound like we won’t be carrying picks to match bids. As he said, either trade up (I’d hope to 9 which is a far better pick than 11 this year -Dovaston or Lindsay I think- ), or trade 34 and 41 for F2s which will give us far better value than it would this year.

The other things that were clear were the references to Chad Warner without naming him and sounds bullish on getting him as a FA for the 2028 season.

The way he spoke about the talent levels in the draft there’s now little doubt in my mind that pick 2 is for CDT. It’s accepted by the majority industry wide that Duursma and CDT are the two best talents and I think that’s what he was alluding too.

It may be we’d prefer trade that pick with Bombers or Dees but Clarke is making it clear that pick will not come cheap.

Yep listening to his interview gave me a different impression of our plans for Pick 1 & 2 to when I read an article paraphrasing his words.

No surprise to anyone but reading between the lines, it sounds like we have identified there are 2 clear standouts in this draft (Duursma & CDT) and that’s who we will be taking. Also felt that by taking this line, he effectively ruled out trading Pick 2 for something like Melbourne’s 7 & 8.

I reckon the only way we split Pick 2 is if we get a juicy F1 along with a top 10 this year.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

There are 3 clubs needing to manoeuvre for early bids on players.

Lions - Annables likely top 5 pick


Suns - Uwland and Patterson both likely top 6 picks


Blues - Dean likely top 10 pick


Summary:

Lions will sell off 17 and 23 on the night and will therefore make a profit and should have sufficient points. Will 100% match Annables as they can go into a slight deficit even if bid on at 1. They have Caylen Murray and Matt Owen as Academy prospects but at best, I rate them R1 to R2 in a very early assessment.

Suns
Will also sell off 15 18 and 24 on the night for a profit. If we bid early on both Patterson and Uwland, they will have enough points even if they have to trade in futures. They will likely lose more prospects next year so they will not worry about being in deficit. Their Academy best prospect is Archie Hill and I have a mid to late R2 on him.

Blues
The most intriguing. I think they were big winners in the trade period. They have 2 x R1 picks for 2025, 2026 and 2027. Dean is a FS expected to go in top 8 in R1 and Ison more like 20 to 20. I suspect they will want to move 9 or 11 to 2026 for Walker and happy to split the other pick for a points. Will they try to play smart with getting a pick in before Dean?

A simple deal with Blues of 13 + 33 + 41 is more than enough premium to entice pick 9. (yes, I know we would need to play games on 41 as they dealt it to us). We could get multiple clubs involved - Norf might want 25 + 26 for 13!