List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Happy Mastenator]

Because i have amazing paint skills I've diagrammed Sharp's theoretical career performance is the red line, CDT's theoretical career performance is the green line.

The question then, which is extremely hard to answer, is how long is CDT actual performance below Sharp's and then how much higher does it get when/if it does go above Sharp and for how long. Does that peak make up for the rest of the time he's under performing Sharp?

 

[txbyhull]

Because i have amazing paint skills I've diagrammed Sharp's theoretical career performance is the red line, CDT's theoretical career performance is the green line.

The question then, which is extremely hard to answer, is how long is CDT actual performance below Sharp's and then how much higher does it get when/if it does go above Sharp and for how long. Does that peak make up for the rest of the time he's under performing Sharp?


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How much do you want for it? Need this on the toilet door as I take my morning brown

 

[Shueygod]

I’m sticking with my previous assertion that Shueygod can just say he hates Dyson Sharp and be done with it, the rest of the chatter is wildly unnecessary given he is clearly set in his thinking.

I don’t even slightly agree with the idea that our midfield naturally improves enough to where we need not bring in one with a top 2 pick, and if we’re doing the looking to 2027 exercise I’d recommend looking a few years ahead of that too, when Harley has left because he spent his whole rookie contract without any meaningful help. We’ve 1 A grader that will ever play midfield on our list, and I’d give Duursma a 50% chance of being that. The guy needs the solid A- Libba-lite who’s the ready made body to give him a hand.

You’ve never said that about me, I’ve literally stated on this forum that I’d be very open to taking Sharp if we trade down. I was a Sharp believer back in June, since then I’ve watched footage of both a believe if we stay at 2 we must take CDT.

I think Sharp is a very good player with a high floor and lower than I’d like ceiling for a top 2 pick.

The rhetoric in here that I disagree with is:
1. Sharp will impact immediately, I’ve provided a bunch of evidence why it is extremely unlikely this is the case. If Sharp is the bloke helping Harley in the middle the next two years, we aren’t winning a game in that period.
2. That we should take Sharp at pick 2 just because he’s a mid.
3. That Sharp has a ceiling of Tom Green/Dunkley.
4. That our midfield is in dire straits, again provided evidence that you need 1-3 A grade mids to make a prelim/GF, we already have as good as a lock of 1 on our list, I’d be confident Duursma/Hewett become the other.

Sharp's SANFL stats are interesting. He played a lot of half forward as well as through the midfield. Knowing the actual breakdown (which i'm sure recruiters would have) on what the spilt was in each game would be interesting.

You look at the highlighted, and he averages 17.4 touches, 4.4 clearances. Were these the higher midfield games?

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Which will likely reflect his split at AFL level, there’s not many draftees in recent memory that was able to play significant time in the middle without breaking down.

Even taking these better performances it pales in comparison to Draper/JHF stats.

 

[txbyhull]

You’ve never said that about me,

You’re right mate my bad, got my CDT truth-ers mixed up. I actually said it to Dale Doback

 

[ballsohard]

People on this board just need to get out of fairy land thinking we will pick sharp at 2, it's pretty simple IMO

IF we hold pick 2 we will select CDT
IF we split pick 2 for a combination of 5 and something, we will likely pick Sharp.

I don't think it's that complicated and posters running around in circles here arguing that sharp is a worthy pick 2 might be very disappointed after the draft.

 

[Westend]

People on this board just need to get out of fairy land thinking we will pick sharp at 2, it's pretty simple IMO

IF we hold pick 2 we will select CDT
IF we split pick 2 for a combination of 5 and something, we will likely pick Sharp.

I don't think it's that complicated and posters running around in circles here arguing that sharp is a worthy pick 2 might be very disappointed after the draft.

I can see us splitting pick 2 and not getting CDT Sharp or Robey ...sounds like an eagles thing to do

 

[ballsohard]

I can see us splitting pick 2 and not getting CDT Sharp or Robey ...sounds like an eagles thing to do

It would be a very eagles thing to do, but I assume we would only do such a trade if we knew who Richmond/Essendon were planning to take with the picks before ours

 

[Shueygod]

The fact that he can do this at all puts him up there in contention for 2 imo. CTL vs SANFL u18s is great, but watch someone here try and say CTL > SANFL League. Even SANFL vs VFL, CDTs game there was incredibly misleading.

In what way was it misleading? The fact he received one free kick for a shot on goal? His VFL game highlighted exactly what he could be having shots from a free in a marking contest, split his defender for an easy mark, won the hitout and followed up to pick up an errant handball for a quick shot at goal, forward pressure to intercept an oppo handball and snap a goal, beat his man out the back with pace and body position for a running shot from 50.

On top of that he showed the ability to compete in contests including 2v1s, elite following up his own work or creating opportunities for others, link up work getting up the ground providing an option and looked ridiculously smooth whenever he got loose/ground balls.

 

[txbyhull]

Related to this long winded over night discussion, and our draft focuses for this year:

How do people see the improvement of our midfield next year?

Will fellas like Hall, Gross, Allan step in and take big leaps?

How big a role will Dev Rob play? Or any other potential rookie signings? If we added a Tom Blamires or Harry Scott out of the VFL, would people be happy shooting for another McCarthy-like signing?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

How much do you want for it? Need this on the toilet door as I take my morning brown

NFT coming soon! In no way a bubble!

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

People on this board just need to get out of fairy land thinking we will pick sharp at 2, it's pretty simple IMO

IF we hold pick 2 we will select CDT
IF we split pick 2 for a combination of 5 and something, we will likely pick Sharp.

I don't think it's that complicated and posters running around in circles here arguing that sharp is a worthy pick 2 might be very disappointed after the draft.

If we stay put at 13 there's a better chance that Sharp falls to 13 and we pick him there than there is that we pick him at #2. I just don't get the sense that he's on anybody's radar that early in the draft.

 

[Monocle]

… How I wish, how I wish you were here
We're just WC lost souls swimming in a fish bowl
Year after year
Running over the same old ground, what have we found?
The same old fears, wish you were here

As our recruiters sing to their favourite song when looking at quality of our midfield

A once distant draft is now on the horizon
Midfielders are coming through in waves
Their hips move and I can see them playing
When I was a child I had Eagles Fever
My hand held on to gold and blue balloons
Now I've got that feeling once again
I cant explain the fans would not understand
This is how I am

When evaluating our midfield

I have become comfortably numb.

 

[txbyhull]

If we stay put at 13 there's a better chance that Sharp falls to 13 and we pick him there than there is that we pick him at #2. I just don't get the sense that he's on anybody's radar that early in the draft.

Essendon, Melbourne and Hawthorn would all be stupid not to snap him up. Adelaide would also be not to trade up for him. All the intangibles that the first two need and the skill set and fast-tracked AFL-readiness that the other two would need from a draftee

 

[WCE777]

I spoke to Sharp's girlfriend and her parents at the Champs earlier this year. They're all West Coast supporters, so make of that what you will.

That doubles down and confirms the crap I heard yesterday that I posted about Sharp not wanting to come to WC as BS.
Cheers

 

[darksquare]

Will fellas like Hall, Gross, Allan step in and take big leaps?

How big a role will Dev Rob play? Or any other potential rookie signings? If we added a Tom Blamires or Harry Scott out of the VFL, would people be happy shooting for another McCarthy-like signing?

• Hall has a low ceiling. He's serviceable, but you'd hope he'd be overtaken in the near future.
• Gross likely needs another development year before he can play a consistent season at AFL level.
• Allan is an unknown. Don't know how good he'll be, don't even know his position.
• Robertson will be handy, I think. I expect him to be ahead of the others you've named.

I'd be happy with Blamires. Fothergill-Round-Mitchell medallists seem to have an over 50% chance of decent careers, which is a good return for where they're usually taken in the draft. But I don't think we have a main draft spot for him, and I suspect another team will nab him.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

Geez what a one sided argument from old mate here.

CDT is pick 2 worthy yes but comparing his one VFL game or CTL games to SANFL games seems silly. CDT is pure potential. Not a great player right now. Sharp has less potential but already good to go.

Fingers crossed we split 2 and get Cumming and Sharp (if that’s possible). That’s my preference.

 

[Weshi]

Robey is lagging behind in the poll, having only seen highlights, is it the fact he has such a small sample size of quality games to base opinions on (risk) or are there other issues?
On a positive note, he appears to have played the finals with a cracked collarbone and still stepped up in the big games.
+40 disposals in a final and 4 goals in the GF.

 

[Barrybran]

I spoke to Sharp's girlfriend and her parents at the Champs earlier this year. They're all West Coast supporters, so make of that what you will.

I like that girl. Harley could learn a thing or two about dating from Dyson.

 

[BSD]

Related to this long winded over night discussion, and our draft focuses for this year:

How do people see the improvement of our midfield next year?

Will fellas like Hall, Gross, Allan step in and take big leaps?

How big a role will Dev Rob play? Or any other potential rookie signings? If we added a Tom Blamires or Harry Scott out of the VFL, would people be happy shooting for another McCarthy-like signing?

If Hall, Gross and Allan don't show major improvement next season then the question must be asked. Will they ever ?

 

[Barrybran]

Sharp's SANFL stats are interesting. He played a lot of half forward as well as through the midfield. Knowing the actual breakdown (which i'm sure recruiters would have) on what the spilt was in each game would be interesting.

You look at the highlighted, and he averages 17.4 touches, 4.4 clearances. Were these the higher midfield games?

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[Hook461123]

If we stay put at 13 there's a better chance that Sharp falls to 13 and we pick him there than there is that we pick him at #2. I just don't get the sense that he's on anybody's radar that early in the draft.

He isn't getting passed the Dons. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers grabbed him either. If you have a chance to pick the best mid of the last 3 years you do it........unless you're the Eagles that is. It's crazy how everyone else can improve their ceiling but Sharp for reasons. If we go Duursma/CDT I wouldn't be surprised if Tigers went Sharp/Cumming. Would finish their midfield off nicely and create a good core to build around. They can then draft for Flankers and utilities in later drafts as they climb the ladder.

Not sure a few power rankings and phantoms will influence us tbh. I think there is a small chance we pick Sharp at 2. Not as likely as CDT but there's a chance the CDT talk is a bluff as he really doesn't suit our needs atm.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

I do also think Sharp’s intangibles are ignored a bit when thinking of potential. He is a leader and competitor. Both traits are excellent for a young team.

 

[Shueygod]

He isn't getting passed the Dons. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers grabbed him either. If you have a chance to pick the best mid of the last 3 years you do it........unless you're the Eagles that is. It's crazy how everyone else can improve their ceiling but Sharp for reasons. If we go Duursma/CDT I wouldn't be surprised if Tigers went Sharp/Cumming. Would finish their midfield off nicely and create a good core to build around. They can then draft for Flankers and utilities in later drafts as they climb the ladder.

Not sure a few power rankings and phantoms will influence us tbh. I think there is a small chance we pick Sharp at 2. Not as likely as CDT but there's a chance the CDT talk is a bluff as he really doesn't suit our needs atm.

You’re surely saying the best mid of the last 3 years from his own draft. There were at least 5 better mids last year alone.

 

[Barrybran]

The fact that he can do this at all puts him up there in contention for 2 imo. CTL vs SANFL u18s is great, but watch someone here try and say CTL > SANFL League. Even SANFL vs VFL, CDTs game there was incredibly misleading.

That's why I look at what they do and not their stats.

Sharp's stats aren't great because he played mostly half forward with stints in the middle against grown men. He got stuck in, won the ball plenty, chased and tackled hard when he didn't, and was able to get out of traffic and get the ball out to teammates with good execution.

If we're expecting him to be Reid or Hewett, that's not what we'll be getting, but he's almost the perfect player to put beside them. Harley in particular will be incredibly damaging with a player like Sharp feeding him the ball, and I think Hewett benefits as well being a first or second receiver.

Duff-Tytler was a men among boys at Coates level but held his own in his VFL stint. Despite a smaller frame, he was very good at getting his hands to the ball, and had a pace advantage at ground level against opposing rucks and defenders. His marking needs some work but once he tidies that up and fills out, he will be one of the best big men in the game with pace and skill that will see him hold his own against proper midfielders at ground level.

Comparing stats is a ridiculous measure of player's abilities. They're playing different levels, different roles, and will develop differently. Even at their peaks, they'll have different statistical outputs.

 

[woosha24]

I like that girl. Harley could learn a thing or two about dating from Dyson.

Just cut out the middleman (middlewoman?) and set Sharp and Harley up together. Guaranteed one-club players.