List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[juice568]

If Hall, Gross and Allan don't show major improvement next season then the question must be asked. Will they ever ?

If hall gets games next year we are in serious trouble

 

[woosha24]

Harley in particular will be incredibly damaging with a player like Sharp feeding him the ball, and I think Hewett benefits as well being a first or second receiver.

I think where a hypothetical Sharp drafting shines is that he's a player you cant just ignore at the stoppage - he wants the ball and he WILL hurt you in the contest if you let him do what he wants.

So to counteract that you have to sit a bloke on him.....which lets Harley off the chain.

 

[Hook461123]

You’re surely saying the best mid of the last 3 years from his own draft. There were at least 5 better mids last year alone.

I know you don't like him Shueygod but he's easily been the most consistent and highly credentialed mid. Since his uner16's AA and mvp, to a high performer as an underager last year. Then as the best mid this year in the academy games and then the carnival. Even kicked goals and got ball on the outside. Really not much more he could've done.

People tend to overrate the academy kids because their unattainable, but Uwland has barely played this year, Annabelle is slower and a worse kick, Duursma hasn't played much mid. Not sure what 5 mids you have that have been better than him, but you must watch different games to me.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Inside mids are overrated and a dying position.

Like we just didn't see Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

33

Ht

177cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

turn the GF on it's head in the second half after coming on and just smashing the contest.

 

[Barrybran]

Because i have amazing paint skills I've diagrammed Sharp's theoretical career performance is the red line, CDT's theoretical career performance is the green line.

The question then, which is extremely hard to answer, is how long is CDT actual performance below Sharp's and then how much higher does it get when/if it does go above Sharp and for how long. Does that peak make up for the rest of the time he's under performing Sharp?


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Lovely work. Simply stunning

One of the questions for me is where will a player's peak line up against Harley's? I know Harley is only one player but we are building this team around him so we need players who are going to be best 23 when Harley is dominating the league.

Can CDT be that player? Yes, but it does normally take longer for bigs to develop. It is likely that CDT is a regular member from 2027 onwards though and should be hitting his straps around 2030, which is where we would need him to be there.

Sharp should really hit the ground running. He's been playing against men for most of this year so he isn't going to be overawed playing at the next level. He won't be the best midfielder on the park probably ever but we also don't need him to be that. The Dunkley comparisons are apt in that there will be days where Harley is clamped and Sharp will have to step up, and I think he'll have the ability to do that.

There is certainly a world where we take a CDT now and try to find a Sharp between 2026 and 2028 but what is the likelihood of finding that player, developing them and having them at the level we need them when Harley is hitting his peak?

 

[Shueygod]

I know you don't like him Shueygod but he's easily been the most consistent and highly credentialed mid. Since his uner16's AA and mvp, to a high performer as an underager last year. Then as the best mid this year in the academy games and then the carnival. Even kicked goals and got ball on the outside. Really not much more he could've done.

People tend to overrate the academy kids because they’re unattainable, but Uwland has barely played this year, Annabelle is slower and a worse kick, Duursma hasn't played much mid. Not sure what 5 mids you have that have been better than him, but you must watch different games to me.

I like Sharp

I was confirming that by the last 3 years you were referring to last three years of performances from this draft class and didn’t mean the last 3 drafts.

I agree he’s the best performed player from this draft class in that time period.

 

[Forward Press]

Not sure what 5 mids you have that have been better than him, but you must watch different games to me.

Maybe Shueygod meant those in other drafts previously, not just this year. Like, if Sharp and Sheezel were in the same drafts, the former would not be rated the same as the latter.

Inside mids are overrated and a dying position.

Like we just didn't see Lachie Neale turn the GF on it's head in the second half after coming on and just smashing the contest.

And then we have Will Phillips, Ben Hobbs, Tom Mitchell etc all being delisted. You can come up with examples to back any argument but the fact remains the game is moving towards fast, transition football and you better have facets in your game to make up for lack of pace otherwise you get delisted.

 

[FKASC]

Maybe Shueygod meant those in other drafts previously, not just this year. Like, if Sharp and Sheezel were in the same drafts, the former would not be rated the same as the latter.



And then we have Will Phillips, Ben Hobbs, Tom Mitchell etc all being delisted. You can come up with examples to back any argument but the fact remains the game is moving towards fast, transition football and you better have facets in your game to make up for lack of pace otherwise you get delisted.

Mitchell is cooked physically. If he was 25 he would not be getting delisted even if he was the same player he was back then.

Phillips and Hobbs are shithouse. They’re not getting delisted because they are inside mids.

This idea that the game has moved past inside mids is ludicrous.

 

[Barrybran]

I think where a hypothetical Sharp drafting shines is that he's a player you cant just ignore at the stoppage - he wants the ball and he WILL hurt you in the contest if you let him do what he wants.

So to counteract that you have to sit a bloke on him.....which lets Harley off the chain.

That's exactly right. And opposition teams have to deal with that for the next ten years.

And if you can clamp them, Hewett (and hopefully Duursma) gets you.

 

[txbyhull]

Enormous ask but if we can have Hall put up 70% of games with stat lines like these against Collingwood, Port and Sydney, then I’m not as worried about drafting Sharp.

22d (10k/12h), 4m, 4t, 3cl
21d (9k/12h), 3m, 3t, 4cl
17d (6k,11h), 6t, 6cl, 11cp

Not A grader stuff but for a fella playing 16 games you’d hope it can either be this more consistently our a little bit more production

The if here is massive though. I think he’s going to end up a career WAFL player personally

 

[kokedoodledoo]

Enormous ask but if we can have Hall put up 70% of games with stat lines like these against Collingwood, Port and Sydney, then I’m not as worried about drafting Sharp.

22d (10k/12h), 4m, 4t, 3cl
21d (9k/12h), 3m, 3t, 4cl
17d (6k,11h), 6t, 6cl, 11cp

Not A grader stuff but for a fella playing 16 games you’d hope it can either be this more consistently our a little bit more production

The Sydney game for me was where I felt Hall was exposed. He looks like he tries and does what he can but might be a little limited athletically. I do believe a lot of that was because he has been playing more of an outside role which definitely requires more speed and agility.

At the same time he played one game where he hit a perfect kick across the field to someone (I can’t quite remember who) and I do remember thinking wow maybe he’s got it?

Hoping for his sake his fitness improves and he can become an inside midfielder.

Surprisingly my look on sharp in comparison to Hall is sharp is more versatile. Has actually played an outside role similar to Hall, but also a forward who kicks goals.

 

[DSWCE]

Take a step back and look at the cards on the table from a list point of view. Pretty good sign as to who we are taking at pick 2... we won't split unless we get a F1.

By all reports we are taking two mature inside mids as rookies in Dev Rob and one of Macrae/Shoenberg/Clohesy to "help Harley" if you like. With Graham and Yeo (The fit version) and Gross and Hall in the wings, we will have at least six inside mids on the list. Sharp would be seven...

With Livingstone delisted and Barnett likely to get the Tic Tac next year, all indicators are pointing towards drafting best available and taking CDT at 2. No doubt about it!!!

 

[uptheWC]

1. The CTL is of far higher quality than SANFL/WAFl colts. That’s the reason it’s paid higher attention (rightly or wrongly).
2. It’s been shown time and time again that the quality of a teams bottom 10 and cohesion is more important than a teams top 5 (which is how the pies won in 2023). This is further exaggerated considering the primary purpose of the champs is to showcase kids, as opposed to winning it as evidenced with the questionable midfield rotations teams use every year.
3. Not sure if you’ve somehow forgotten but Victoria is split into 2 seperate teams. Twomey had 5 metro, 5 Vic Country and 5 SA players in his top 20 with Barker at 21.
SA the most represented in the top 15.


Can you name me the last draft there wasn’t a mid of Sharps calibre?

At least 3 mids go ahead of Sharp last year, Mckercher (likely Sanders) goes before him. You can disagree if you like but this is a notoriously weak draft and he’s at best the 6th ranked prospect.

I’d be confident that one/multiple of Cochrane, Robinson (Fremantle won’t be able to match if they finish top 8, a bid at 4 would require 14 + 15 as the cheapest combo if the 10% rule stays, 8th received 13 this year), Van Dyk, Butler, draft year riser will be a better midfield prospect than Sharp.


Have you watched Jackson? He has neither elite ruck work or marking for a ruck/KPF.

Last season when Darcy was injured and he had to play more time as the #1 ruck he had a 33.9% win rate, ranked 4th last (.9% above B.Williams) for rucks with more than 10 hitouts.

He has elite ruck work when against teams second rucks, in time CDT could be the same.

Im also not convinced on Jackson’s marking being “elite” at 1.3 CM a game ranked equal 24th-38th (for players with 5+ games), considering there’s roughly 150 playing KPPs in the league. I don’t think prime CDT would be much less than that.

It certainly isn’t those attributes that make Jackson elite in his role, Matt Flynn is better at both for example.

I’ve watched both play, I’ve also watched a lot of AFL.

I can confidently say CDT would be top 10% coming into the AFL in those traits for his height/position, I doubt Sharp would be top 10% in any traits coming into the AFL for his height/position.

I’m aware Victoria is split into metro and country, and they both had their arses handed to them by SA. Yes the purpose of the champs is to showcase kids, of which the best was the bloke you’re not a big fan of.

Sure it’s possible those you named will be great prospects next year, but we don’t know that now, and we have the opportunity to draft an elite prospect right now in Sharp.

Sure Jackson’s unique traits for a tall, combined with his very good ruck work and marking makes him an elite player in his position. CDT may also possess those elite traits, but his marking and ruck work holds nothing to Jackson’s. CDT’s unique traits for his position don’t really matter if he’s not at the level he should be regarding the fundamentals in his position.

 

[The Dodger]

… How I wish, how I wish you were here
We're just WC lost souls swimming in a fish bowl
Year after year
Running over the same old ground, what have we found?
The same old fears, wish you were here

So, so you think you can tell
Athleticism from ability, current output vs ceiling?
Can you tell a pick 2 from a few short vids?
Skills from a few kicks? Do you think you can tell?

Did they get you to traaaaaaade your high picks to split.
Hot prospects for needs, a sure thing for speeeeeed?
Inside mid for Outside mid? Did you exchange
A key part of the rebuild for wins on stage

 

[Wce17]

Inside mids are overrated and a dying position.

Like we just didn't see Lachie Neale turn the GF on it's head in the second half after coming on and just smashing the contest.

*slow inside mids

 

[txbyhull]

*slow inside mids

of which Sharp is not

 

[eaglespremiers]

I make of that, that he comes from a fine family and makes excellent decisions.

It would be hard to arrive at an alternative conclusion.

 

[BSD]

I do also think Sharp’s intangibles are ignored a bit when thinking of potential. He is a leader and competitor. Both traits are excellent for a young team.

F-Rod has both those traits as well, so we should draft him as well.

 

[Forward Press]

Mitchell is cooked physically. If he was 25 he would not be getting delisted even if he was the same player he was back then.

Phillips and Hobbs are shithouse. They’re not getting delisted because they are inside mids.

This idea that the game has moved past inside mids is ludicrous.

Didn't say that, I said the game is moving towards fast, transition football. Of course you need inside mids, you have to win the ball and it's always better than not winning the ball, duh. As long as stoppages exist, you'd like a player that is better at having first use of the ball from the congestion.

However, if you can win the ball but ain't any good at moving it on quickly, you're left behind nowadays. Or if you're unable to spread, or run defensively, or link well in the transition from D50. Phillips and Hobbs were still adept at winning the ball but they weren't much good for anything else.

Note that I am not saying Dyson Sharp is any of those things, because we haven't seen him at AFL level yet, but there was a reason why Phillips and Hobbs went top 10 in their respective drafts...I just advise caution.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

F-Rod has both those traits as well, so we should draft him as well.

I’d be pretty happy if we picked him up at pick 34 if no Williams/Banfield bid before that. Might be a while before he plays AFL though given we are finally competitive for best 23 list spots.

 

[Bestbird]

I would be all in on CDT if our midfield wasnt a dire need.

Then you take into account that two of our better performed younster were Shanahan and Reid who also showed promise in the ruck.

 

[Snowball81]

I’m aware Victoria is split into metro and country, and they both had their arses handed to them by SA. Yes the purpose of the champs is to showcase kids, of which the best was the bloke you’re not a big fan of.

Sure it’s possible those you named will be great prospects next year, but we don’t know that now, and we have the opportunity to draft an elite prospect right now in Sharp.

Sure Jackson’s unique traits for a tall, combined with his very good ruck work and marking makes him an elite player in his position. CDT may also possess those elite traits, but his marking and ruck work holds nothing to Jackson’s. CDT’s unique traits for his position don’t really matter if he’s not at the level he should be regarding the fundamentals in his position.

Pretty strong logic and if that happens I would hope we can get dovaston or Lindsay at 13. But if we can get that pick traded down to 9 you could potentially add sharp, farrow, grlj to that list, which sounds like 3 pretty good picks all up to me.

 

[bs9594]

just take Sharp and make him captain!

solves our midfield and leadership gaps!

 

[Astro7]

For the sake of everyone's sanity and to avoid a complete BF nuclear meltdown, I hope our selectors pull special voodoo magic out of their butts and totally jag Duursma, CDT, Sharp and whoever else. Miracles can happen....... sometimes?

If we get Duursma and CDT, I'm ok as long as we get a decent ball pig after that.

 

[Wce17]

Duursma could very well end up being this inside mid that we need. His draft writeup is a hell of a lot like the Bont who's weaknesses where also his contested game & kicking consistency but they also share a lot of the same strengths