Draft/Trade Talk Only Thread

[Astro_]

With the improvement of Williams, McDougall and Everitt this year could we look at moving Harris to the forwardline to fill this role?

I think its to early to move Harris away from the backline. He provides a lot of leadership down there and is basically "captain" of our backline. Williams, Everitt are still very raw and without Harris' presence by their side they probably stand 2 inches smaller. McDougall being new to the team and not having a lot of gametime down back either would perfer Harris by his side. We need leadership down back and Harris is the man to provide it.

IMO I see Harris as a man mountain in the backline for years to come.

 

[promking22]

With the improvement of Williams, McDougall and Everitt this year could we look at moving Harris to the forwardline to fill this role?

Yeah possibly, worth trying out in the pre-season, why not?
He was great as an attacking defender (fell away towards the end as the rest did) but still leaked more goals than you'd like from a top defender

His athleticism and attacking nature suggests he could become a good CHF...if he's given a go and if it's what he wants to do

 

[promking22]

Wow very interesting camparison of thoughts we posted at the same time!

 

[stefoid]

With the improvement of Williams, McDougall and Everitt this year could we look at moving Harris to the forwardline to fill this role?

williams would be a harder matchup if he could be taught to play the position.

 

[Astro_]

Wow very interesting camparison of thoughts we posted at the same time!

For sure, oh well everyone has there own opinions. Internet forums like this are established for ppl to discuss their thoughts. Its good

 

[Cyborg_]

We have Winderlich, Dempsey, Jetta, Dyson, Nash, Davey we don't need fast outside players at all. IMO it would be silly to give up anything for McMahon that is worth something.


That is a shocker. Hille for McMahon?!?! McMahon isn't worth a third round pick IMO whereas at the very least Essendon would be able to get a top 15 pick for Hille.

Why ins't Gia rated by you guys anymore?

What an inane post.

Your former coach has come out and stated that your club needs quick runners. McMahon is a proven good player. He is not elite. He has had a poor year by his standards. But is 23 or 24 and is a player who who is normally a good kick and has elctric speed to run and carry the ball.

Dyson is spud who struggles to get a game and has not progressed. Might be quick but cant use the ball or kick under pressure. He is a draft camp special.

Dempsey, Jetta are unproven kids. Who is going to play back pocket next year who has some dash and skills?

Your midfield looked slow all year. That included when you had all those quick guys to pick from. Davey missed the 2ndd part of the year. Who comes into the team next year? Remeber Watson did not play the last few games. Adding him makes it even slower. If you bring Jetta in then who do you drop? Sub 180cm players who dont win clearances like Kerr are not exactly easy to find positions for. It normally ends up as a forweard pocket which is where Davey will play or Lovett.

Where is the speed coming out of the backlin that a McMahon will provide. Where is the speed in the centre square?

You cant play 5 forward pockets.

As for McMahon for Hille. Its about equal I think. Rucks are worth more but Mcmahon is 2 or 3 years younger and they are bout the saeme level as players. When you go from being a future catpain candidate to being dropped for discipline reasons and being overtaken by Laycok in the ruck. It sort of dents your worth.

The 3rd round startes at 34 this year. 34 to 50. You think Macmahon is not worth pick 50 in this draft?

Get a clue.

 

[scooter600x]

If Hille came in and became our No 1 ruckman and was playing at his best he'd easily add 10%+ to the team.

I'd do the trade in a heart beat.

I think exactly the opposite.

I don't think Hille would offer any more than Minson does now. You couldn't play both of them in the same side as they are too similar (and neither can really play forward) so I don't think Hille would add anything.

Any Essendon supporter who doesn't think they need pace is a dill.

McMahon will get a very high draft pick and Adelaide's pick 10 would not be out of the question. Until his partner took off with the baby McMahon would have just about been leading our B & F and has been high up in the voting the last two years as well.

 

[I heart Doogs]

hey guys my first time on this. Just wanted to say that with all this talk of gia and jordy on the outer who will fill in their spots for faces of peter jackson?
Also i would be very disapointed if we picked up Haselby in a swap for ray because I cant see how we would possibly need him. As for Hille I would prefer we chase Charman or Jolly.

 

[Rocco Jones]

With the improvement of Williams, McDougall and Everitt this year could we look at moving Harris to the forwardline to fill this role?

Haing someone being able to take over at fullback would allow Harris to regularly play as an attacking tall defender (bit like Dustin Fletcher) or even up forward as you suggest. It's a big step going from 2nd/3rd tall to playing on the oppositon's best power forward week in, week out. Everitt will be more of a flanker type for the next couple of years and see Doogs and Williams future being further up the ground. If Harris is ever going to play forward I think it might be in a couple of years, once our defence has matured.

 

[SOT4]

What an inane post.

Your former coach has come out and stated that your club needs quick runners. McMahon is a proven good player. He is not elite. He has had a poor year by his standards. But is 23 or 24 and is a player who who is normally a good kick and has elctric speed to run and carry the ball.

Dyson is spud who struggles to get a game and has not progressed. Might be quick but cant use the ball or kick under pressure. He is a draft camp special.

Dempsey, Jetta are unproven kids. Who is going to play back pocket next year who has some dash and skills?

Your midfield looked slow all year. That included when you had all those quick guys to pick from. Davey missed the 2ndd part of the year. Who comes into the team next year? Remeber Watson did not play the last few games. Adding him makes it even slower. If you bring Jetta in then who do you drop? Sub 180cm players who dont win clearances like Kerr are not exactly easy to find positions for. It normally ends up as a forweard pocket which is where Davey will play or Lovett.

Where is the speed coming out of the backlin that a McMahon will provide. Where is the speed in the centre square?

You cant play 5 forward pockets.

As for McMahon for Hille. Its about equal I think. Rucks are worth more but Mcmahon is 2 or 3 years younger and they are bout the saeme level as players. When you go from being a future catpain candidate to being dropped for discipline reasons and being overtaken by Laycok in the ruck. It sort of dents your worth.

The 3rd round startes at 34 this year. 34 to 50. You think Macmahon is not worth pick 50 in this draft?

Get a clue.

When did we have "all those quick guys to pick from"? Answer: In the first 3 round when our midfield looked very quick and we played our best footy. Jetta has been struggling with injury all year. Dempsey did his hamstring 3 times. Winderlich had hamstring problems. Lovett missed 4 or so weeks and Davey missed the 2nd half of the year.

You say we have too many of quick reciever type players that we'll struggle to play them and yet you advocate us getting one more?!? Dempsey, Lovett and WInderlich are all able to play backline/ backpocket, except we have Nash already playing McMahon's position. Reimers has also played in the backline,a nd Houli is being developed as a possible backline option. Our midfield looked slow because all the quick players were injured/ are still young. What are we going to do with a reciever like McMahon in 2009, when Winderlich, Jetta, Dempsey, Lovett are all pressing for a spot in the midfield? We don't need him, we've got that area covered.

Essendon don't need to get rid of Hille, it's only if they can get a good deal for him. In a ruck starved market Hille would easily be able to get a first round pick IMO, or very early 2nd, but there is no way that McMahon could. So how are they worth the same?

McMahon not going third round was an exageration, but he wouldn't be worth Essendon giving up a third round pick for.

 

[Rookie]

Looking at Adelaide's list, there are three players that I feel could offer much to other clubs.

Firstly, Meeson. He is nowhere near as good an option as Charman, Wood, or Jolly, but HELL, do we need more ruck depth! If we fail to land a ruckman who can play AFL in 2008 by either trade, PSD, or drafting an uncontracted, experienced, or VFL ruckman, I will be livid. Minson, Street, and Skip... pfft. Obviously we need to DRAFT a young ruckman but we cannot be expecting them to be AFL-ready for a few years. Meeson will come cheap and will probably be the most available. I know he has done very little at SANFL level but I am so desperate for ruck depth that if I were calling the shots I would PSD someone of the ilk of Knobel, Beau McDonald, Cameron Cloke, anyone who was available. Meeson is at least young and has a potential upside greater than any of those players, and would be cheap.

McGregor likewise needs a change. I think he could be a great pickup. I love the way he plays his football and he is a proven performer.

Mattner is the other player at AFC who needs a change. Not sure he fits our needs though.

Meeson and McGregor packaged for McMahon + a second or third round pick sounds like a very good trade for us and all three players involved, provided both are looking for a new home and Adelaide comes to the party.

Before you hit me down, sure I'd prefer Jolly or Kosi or Charman. I'm just being realistic.

 

[promking22]

As for Hille I would prefer we chase Charman or Jolly.

Charman's agreed to a new deal with the Lions in the last day or two unfortunately...

 

[Pigdog]

Haing someone being able to take over at fullback would allow Harris to regularly play as an attacking tall defender (bit like Dustin Fletcher) or even up forward as you suggest. It's a big step going from 2nd/3rd tall to playing on the oppositon's best power forward week in, week out. Everitt will be more of a flanker type for the next couple of years and see Doogs and Williams future being further up the ground. If Harris is ever going to play forward I think it might be in a couple of years, once our defence has matured.

I honestly can't see McDougall or Williams playing as our 'power' forward next year, possibly in 3 years time, but not next year. We need someone now.

Williams is far to raw, he barely knows how to play as a tall defender so would struggle to play at CHF which from all reports is the hardest position to play. McDougall lacks the confidence and the aggression to play as the power forward and I think is suited to a role at CHB or as a tall defender.

Harris to me is the only person on the list who could play the 'power' forward role next year. For me this role entails the ability to not only take marks on the lead, but also the ability to take contested marks and the ability to break open packs.

If the accountability of our midfield and forwardline improves we may be able to move Harris away from defence. If this accountability stays the same then we would be throwing our 'young' defence to the wolves by moving Harris upfield.

 

[Cyborg_]

When did we have "all those quick guys to pick from"? Answer: In the first 3 round when our midfield looked very quick and we played our best footy. Jetta has been struggling with injury all year. Dempsey did his hamstring 3 times. Winderlich had hamstring problems. Lovett missed 4 or so weeks and Davey missed the 2nd half of the year.

You say we have too many of quick reciever type players that we'll struggle to play them and yet you advocate us getting one more?!? Dempsey, Lovett and WInderlich are all able to play backline/ backpocket, except we have Nash already playing McMahon's position. Reimers has also played in the backline,a nd Houli is being developed as a possible backline option. Our midfield looked slow because all the quick players were injured/ are still young. What are we going to do with a reciever like McMahon in 2009, when Winderlich, Jetta, Dempsey, Lovett are all pressing for a spot in the midfield? We don't need him, we've got that area covered.

Essendon don't need to get rid of Hille, it's only if they can get a good deal for him. In a ruck starved market Hille would easily be able to get a first round pick IMO, or very early 2nd, but there is no way that McMahon could. So how are they worth the same?

McMahon not going third round was an exageration, but he wouldn't be worth Essendon giving up a third round pick for.

McMahon plays down back. He gets goals kicked on him but is a decent defender. He runs the ball out and kicks well and has electric speed. He is not 177cms like Jetta. He is not 180cms like Houli and Monfries and 173cms like Davey. He is quite skinny but actually wiry strong and 185cms and decent overhead.

Thats the difference bwteen he and Jetta. One bloke is a lot taller and much stronger and plays down back and has over 100 AFL games to his credit and has shpwn he has the body and fitness and talent to play AFL.

Where as dempsey, Loveyy, Houli are hoping to get to that fitness level and be able to overcome all the hits and knocks and not been able to yet. Thats what happens with kids. You play them and train them to what you think is the load they can carry and some break down and it happens over and over. Meanwhile others string together 20 games a year year after year. Thats MCmAHON and where he is at.

Some kids get hamstring and calf and foot and OP and end up as burst players.

Anyway its pointless discussing it with you as you do not think he is worth pick 39 I believe it is in this draft and Hille is easiliy worth a first rounder. Its just biased and not grounded in reality.

 

[Bulldog Banana]

I know I will probably be shouted down, but has anyone thought about Jaymie Graham from the Eagles?
He seems to have dropped off this year and could do with a change of scene..

 

[OldSchool]

I know I will probably be shouted down, but has anyone thought about Jaymie Graham from the Eagles?
He seems to have dropped off this year and could do with a change of scene..

No problem with that suggestion.

 

[The Coon Dog]

I know I will probably be shouted down, but has anyone thought about Jaymie Graham from the Eagles?
He seems to have dropped off this year and could do with a change of scene..

I wondered why we didn't make a play for him last season after he got left out of their Premiership team. I know young borgy is a huge wrap for him too!

 

[Bulldog Banana]

I remember last season he played a few good games playing as a marking forward. Moved pretty well from memory

He is 196cm so he may be some value to assist in ruck also

 

[Mofra]

I remember last season he played a few good games playing as a marking forward. Moved pretty well from memory

He is 196cm so he may be some value to assist in ruck also

He worked hard to get his shot at AFL level too, which is always a positive sign.

 

[Dry Rot]

Graham will be thinking that he's behind Hansen, Staker, Lynch and probably Brown next season....

 

[topdog]

What do you guys think about, trading McMahon to Adelaide with our 2nd round pick for their first round pick. Trading Ray to Fremantle for Ryan Murphy or Haselby with our 3rd round pick for their second. And Trade Gia for Hille.

They say the draft this year isn't as deep as previous years so getting 2 first rounders and a pretty early second round pick isn't too bad. Could get both McEvoy and Henderson, or even a decent midfielder. After about pick 25 it's all a bit of a gamble, there much of a difference between the players for 25 to 75.

 

[murphy2bedabest]

What do you guys think about, trading McMahon to Adelaide with our 2nd round pick for their first round pick. Trading Ray to Fremantle for Ryan Murphy or Haselby with our 3rd round pick for their second. And Trade Gia for Hille.

They say the draft this year isn't as deep as previous years so getting 2 first rounders and a pretty early second round pick isn't too bad. Could get both McEvoy and Henderson, or even a decent midfielder. After about pick 25 it's all a bit of a gamble, there much of a difference between the players for 25 to 75.

the way i'd go is McMahon to the crows for pick 10, lets not forget he was the pick 10 in the super draft and he is a good player, but maybe another pick/player will have to go to make this happen.

i want to keep ray there is alot of upside in him and he will get better.

but if he wants to go i'd want to try and get pick 7, again he was pick 4 and has what 50+ games development.

this would be my focus, meaning picks 5, 7 and 10

then id offer pick 10 for wood

then id look at what we could get for street and eagleton ie 2nd or 3rd rd picks and then i'd look at what Graham and moore would cost us

 

[scooter600x]

What do you guys think about, trading McMahon to Adelaide with our 2nd round pick for their first round pick. Trading Ray to Fremantle for Ryan Murphy or Haselby with our 3rd round pick for their second. And Trade Gia for Hille.

Why do supporters of every other club over-rate their players and we under-rate ours?

McMahon is clearly worth a first round pick on his own. 24yo, 120 games, pace, fantastic disposal. Has finished at the pointy end of our last 3 B & F's and was probably leading this year until his partner left.

I've watched Ryan Murphy twice recently on ABC2 and his attack on the ball and intensity is Tim Walsh standard. I'd have a crack at him because he's young and talanted but I'd only trade Ray if he wanted to go home and I'd want change.

Gia is a far better player than he's been given credit for by Bulldog supporters and quite frankly, I don't understand it at all. The only thing I can think of is they're bitter that he hasn't become the superstar that we hoped for. Hille would give us nothing more than we already have with Minson and because neither of them are viable forward options and play such a similar style, I can't see how you could play them both in the same side.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Why do supporters of every other club over-rate their players and we under-rate ours?

McMahon is clearly worth a first round pick on his own. 24yo, 120 games, pace, fantastic disposal. Has finished at the pointy end of our last 3 B & F's and was probably leading this year until his partner left.

I've watched Ryan Murphy twice recently on ABC2 and his attack on the ball and intensity is Tim Walsh standard. I'd have a crack at him because he's young and talanted but I'd only trade Ray if he wanted to go home and I'd want change.

Gia is a far better player than he's been given credit for by Bulldog supporters and quite frankly, I don't understand it at all. The only thing I can think of is they're bitter that he hasn't become the superstar that we hoped for. Hille would give us nothing more than we already have with Minson and because neither of them are viable forward options and play such a similar style, I can't see how you could play them both in the same side.

Good post.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

Just a question guys, why hasn't Minson been playing at the senior level lately? Form or Injury? Because the games iv'e seen him play at VFL level he's just been good and not dominating like you should in VFL, whereas when Hille was dropped 1 week for his attitude problem he dominated the VFL. BTW, how old is Minson?