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It doesnt matter is players are under contract. They can still be traded if all parties agree.
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Draft/Trade Talk Only Thread
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didnt aker do that a few years back?
He said he'd had a ARU offer to play rugby.
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it does if they just signed a contract, but yeah if they are into there last year and agree to it then they can move
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Our list is clearly out of balance with no ruck or KPP fwd option of AFL standard.
It appears that with his high picks Clayton has picked up better mids than talls.
Why then do people continue to say, gee I hope such and such does not get traded. There a number of people on this board who just continually say, don't trade.
It is not trading for trading sake.
If our list is out of balance. If we want to be competitive for a premiership, why wouldn't we trade to improve our list.
And yes you have to trade someone decent to get someone decent. Personally don't give a stuff if we trade McMahon or Gia or Ray, as long the quality brought in matches the quality given, and it improves our list balance.
It appears that with his high picks Clayton has picked up better mids than talls.
Why then do people continue to say, gee I hope such and such does not get traded. There a number of people on this board who just continually say, don't trade.
It is not trading for trading sake.
If our list is out of balance. If we want to be competitive for a premiership, why wouldn't we trade to improve our list.
And yes you have to trade someone decent to get someone decent. Personally don't give a stuff if we trade McMahon or Gia or Ray, as long the quality brought in matches the quality given, and it improves our list balance.
Im with you Robin. Manchester United use the theory that you need to trade a good player to get a potentially great player. If that means trading the above names you have mentioned then so be it.
Everyone on this board was critical of our performance this year and outlined where we needed to improve. However when it comes to the crunch suddenly no one wants to trade anyone.
I would use pick 5 for Fev and i would consider trading Ray, McMahon and/or Gia. The team is much bigger than any individual and its the team's needs we need to address.
The how do you say to Cooney or Griffen to re-sign out of loyalty when they've seen their mates get shunted off?
I understand the point you continually try and make with this loyalty factor, but the cold hard facts is that footy is a business. The players on the list at any one time are there to try and win a premiership. If your list is not capable of doing that you need to make changes to it. our list at present is a fair way off where it needs to be.
Players such as Faulkner, Giansiracusa, McCormack, Power, etc.. have been at the club long enough to show there skills and to prove that they are capable of playing at a consistent level which will enable us to improve as a team and hopefully challenge for a premiership, It's clearly obvious that some of these players don't have what it takes and have/ will be moved on in due course.
It would be great to keep the current list together as there seems to be good team harmony, just watch the Peter Jackson ad for proof, but at the end of the day we finished 13th on the ladder and that simply isn't good enough. We need to turn the list over a little. Already the club has got rid of a bit of dead wood, but further changes have to be made perhaps to send a message to the group as a whole that performances like we through up this year, especially the last third of the season will not be accepted or tolerated.
Spot on.
A classic example was the trade a few years back which saw Geelong losing one of it's gun midfielders in Brent Moloney, and he was flying at that stage, and alot of Cats supporters were feral at that move, but they gained a ruckman / forward in Ottens.
I wonder how many of those Cats supporters will be as feral when the announcement of number 6 - Brad Ottens recieves his Premiership medallion in September?, and how vital he has been for Geelong.
I remember Rocket stating that he will never trade just for the sake of it, and to this point, has been very clever with his moves, Doogs for bugger all, and Aker for a second round pick, remember Adam Morgan, who was very much an untried tall who only had notched up 3 games for Port at the time, also cost us a second round pick.
There is no doubt that our team is un-balanced, and i have all faith in Rocket addressing that problem.
We tend to go on about Rawlings and how much he cost us, but Morgan for a 2nd Rounder was nearly as bad. For a guy of limited ability (yes he did play one good game against Carlton), a second rounder was way way way too much to pay.
I think Heath Scotland was traded by Collingwood for Pick 33, we traded Pick 32 for Morgs. But that was a bad year, Eade has been astute and won't burn us like Rhode.
Surely there needs to be more people agree than just the senior coach when trading?
I understand that you have to give them control, but dumb trades hurt the club for a long time, long after said coach has left.
I'd like us to NEVER trade a first rounder, and only trade a 2nd rounder for a PROVEN player - eg Aker. 3rd rounders you can gamble with, but picks in the top 30 or so are so important.
Actually agree with that, probably should have said Eade and his team. Coaches by necessity coach for the shorter term, a list manager has to look longer term. Again the example of the Rhode trades shows this, setting our club back, because he was coaching for his career.
[/QUOTE]I'd like us to NEVER trade a first rounder, and only trade a 2nd rounder for a PROVEN player - eg Aker. 3rd rounders you can gamble with, but picks in the top 30 or so are so important.[/QUOTE]
Never say never. If J Brown was offered to us for a first round pick, I would do it in a heartbeat, ditto Judd, Pavlich, etc. Depends on the deal on offer, everything on its merits. Do agree that we have to be careful, particularly trading first rounders.
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It's interesting Rocket was on before the bounce on Fox last night, and talked about Ottens - and how he was traded to Geelong to be a full forward but has actually found his niche in the ruck. It made me wonder if that was what he is doing putting doogs in the backline - trying to find the right niche?
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"Coaches need to find players a position. When they find their position, then they can be more of an asset to the team and can be more settled as a player" I thnk that's how the quote went. The PRIME example is Daniel Merrett. The guy was thrown everywhere - ruck, forward and now he's found his position - as the Fullback.
Cooney hasn't found a position yet. He's either a midfield/half forward flanker or the full forward.
Perhaps he's not fit enough to be a full time midfielder - that's one thing the dogs have to work on with Cooney.
Another example of Neitz. He was a CHB and moved to the full forward position later in his career (perhaps out of necessity?).
McDougall is a player that's always been thought of as a lead up CHF.
It seems that position isn't his best. So the dogs are trying him in the backline and he's shown a few times he knows how to play in that part of the ground - let's hope our backline is set for next season
Morris Harrs Gilbee
Williams McDougall Everitt.
That's a pretty good line up...me thinks.
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With news now confirming judd will return to melbourne trade week will be exciting, all the clowns on the Carlton board are frothing at the mouth as the reckon they will end up with him. But as someone mentioned earlier on in a thread it will be very funny when the blues fall from grace again as players ala, carazzo, murphy, gibbs and their other top draft picks from years gone by want bigger pay checks. The blues will have used the majority of it on the juddernaut.
My suggestion is there any young players from either melbourne or richmond we could snare with our pick 5 so as to they could make carlton suffer in their jocks and make a trade with the Coke Eagles?
Maybe; Mclean & Robertson for pick 5?
Deledio or Foley + Schultz for pick 5?
I am sure judd would love to play with melbourne! Rather than the blues or tiges.
My suggestion is there any young players from either melbourne or richmond we could snare with our pick 5 so as to they could make carlton suffer in their jocks and make a trade with the Coke Eagles?
Maybe; Mclean & Robertson for pick 5?
Deledio or Foley + Schultz for pick 5?
I am sure judd would love to play with melbourne! Rather than the blues or tiges.
Geez. God luck with those trades. We wouldn't get Deledio, McLean or Foley alone with pick 5, let alone with other guys thrown in.
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i dont agree i think that pick 5 has the best vaule any club wanting judd will need two top 10 dp's, or atleast two first rd picks. pick 5 should be for sale imo and for a good price.
if that means getting judd, clubs will pay what we want, within reason
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My point is how badly do richmond or melbourne want him?
Yes, but bully for Manchester U. There is no salary cap in English Soccer - there is no draft. The system for attracting and keeping players at your club, the system for building a list....they are not related to the AFL in any way whatsoever.
The thing is Deledio and Foley are both younger than Judd, and will be viewed as having the potential to be as good as him. Having said that clubs would gladly swap those players for Judd, but not with another first round draft pick attached.
What you're saying is each club would be happy to get rid of their future star captains (McLean and Deledio), who each have 1-3 more years in them than Judd, and in Deledio's case don't have an injury cloud, as well as a pick in the 2-4 area. Thats a big blow. I think West Coast will get alot, but I would consider those players to be untouchable unless it was a straight swap with Judd. Thats like us offering Adam Cooney and pick 5 for Judd, something I would not support.
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im dont agree with the giving up Deledio, Foley, Mclean ect but what i do agree with is pick 5 is now the most Valuable pick, pick 1 cant be traded, Richmond, Blues, Dees, Bombers, Hawks and the Pies are all keen on Judd
Their fisrt pick wont be enough so getting into a 3way trade could get us the likes of Fevola, Mitch Thorpe/Roughead, Gumbleton or Reid.
the Question isnt what pick 5 is worth but what getting Judd is to their club
