Draft/Trade Talk Only Thread

[sinepari]

MJP - I think you're on to something with McEvoy and Ward. That would be very nice for you guys.

 

[The Coon Dog]

With no disrespect intended to the experts on AFL Insider, why exactly do they know more than I do? I never comment on any player I haven't seen, and I have seen all the Vic kids a heap of times, and the WA/SA ones at the carnival and on ABC2 if they are playing seniors. I have seen at least one TAC Cup game live every week for the last 3 years, and at least one more on tape. I actually think I have a fair handle on the players.

I cannot comment for you, but if you believe that they know more than you, then I guess they do. Then again, perhaps they are reading the same stuff everyone else is and regurgitating it in a central point!

I have been on the record saying that I hope Ben McEvoy is still around at pick 5, and if he is I would take him. I have seen some negative comments about his game in the GF on the weekend...fair enough I guess, he wasn't great. But he didn't drop his head and had a fair old crack in the second half after moving into the ruck - he kept at it. Not a great day, but not a terrible one either. And yes, I watched from the MCG and not from the tv coverage, and can say that the delivery to him when he was playing forward was absolutely deplorable.

I have further said that I would really like to see Callan Ward at the club, which will take some nifty work because he will be gone by the time our second rounder comes along. If we took him at 5 I would be ecstatic - but I suspect the general membership of the club would be in uproar given he is not a 'tall'....

Oh - I cannot imagine much of anything will spook West Coast. They will take whoever they think is the best player and be done with it.

Once again an articulate post by a man who's opinion I respect.

 

[ozdevil1978]

With pick 5? You clearly cannot have seen him play.

Sorry. Either that, or he is one of your mates.

his not 1 of my mates and i have heard his the best selwood thats all

 

[mjp]

his not 1 of my mates and i have heard his the best selwood thats all

OK. So back to the other question - have you SEEN him play???

Joel was roundly expected to go number 1 overall before being injured last year and slipping in many clubs estimations...Scott has never been that highly regarded.

That said, he is a decent player - but pick 5? No chance.

 

[ozdevil1978]

OK. So back to the other question - have you SEEN him play???

Joel was roundly expected to go number 1 overall before being injured last year and slipping in many clubs estimations...Scott has never been that highly regarded.

That said, he is a decent player - but pick 5? No chance.

what number will he go then and who will we go after ya reckon

 

[Poptart]

With no disrespect intended to the experts on AFL Insider, why exactly do they know more than I do? I never comment on any player I haven't seen, and I have seen all the Vic kids a heap of times, and the WA/SA ones at the carnival and on ABC2 if they are playing seniors. I have seen at least one TAC Cup game live every week for the last 3 years, and at least one more on tape. I actually think I have a fair handle on the players.

I cannot comment for you, but if you believe that they know more than you, then I guess they do. Then again, perhaps they are reading the same stuff everyone else is and regurgitating it in a central point!

I have been on the record saying that I hope Ben McEvoy is still around at pick 5, and if he is I would take him. I have seen some negative comments about his game in the GF on the weekend...fair enough I guess, he wasn't great. But he didn't drop his head and had a fair old crack in the second half after moving into the ruck - he kept at it. Not a great day, but not a terrible one either. And yes, I watched from the MCG and not from the tv coverage, and can say that the delivery to him when he was playing forward was absolutely deplorable.

I have further said that I would really like to see Callan Ward at the club, which will take some nifty work because he will be gone by the time our second rounder comes along. If we took him at 5 I would be ecstatic - but I suspect the general membership of the club would be in uproar given he is not a 'tall'....

Oh - I cannot imagine much of anything will spook West Coast. They will take whoever they think is the best player and be done with it.

Well, you certainly have your finger on the pulse, and McEvoy is one of the 3 talls that are highly rated, and unfortunatly he did have an ordinary day out on Saturday.

How would you have the top 5 this year, and how do you rate both Henderson & Rance, 2 other talls being talked about in this years crop, their style of game etc, plus another, Steven Gaertner?

Thanks in advance.

 

[mjp]

How would you have the top 5 this year, and how do you rate both Henderson & Rance, 2 other talls being talked about in this years crop, their style of game etc, plus another, Steven Gaertner?

Thanks in advance.

I am not sure about the top 5, but I will comment on the others with a doggies player reference for anyone who hasn't seen them.

Henderson: I dont think he attacks the ball hard enough, and I think he decides when he will and when he wont go - plays on his terms. This worries me because I think intensity is hard to coach. Reminds me of: Tim Walsh (probably doesn't help non Werribee watchers though).

Rance: I haven't really seen enough of, but is certainly a good mover and ball user. Seems more a 'reader of the play' defender than contested ball winner or forward. Has at least one big fan who posts here who will (I'm sure) happily post more about him. Game style? Maybe Craig Ellis at his best?

Gaertner: I really like this kid because he is an athletic freak who really (in the times I have seen him) has a go. He runs really hard, goes for his marks and is a real handful - I have also seen him play well as a defender/midfielder and as a forward...he does have kicking 'issues' though, and whilst he seems to do the job welll enough, can miss targets and with his ball drop, it is going to take a lot of work to fix. In terms of game style, I think of Andrejs Everitt.

All that said, I suspect they will be picked as you nominated them - first Hendersen, then Rance, then later on with Gaertner.

As for having my finger on the pulse, I doubt it. Everitt aside, I hadn't heard of a single one of Clayton's other picks last year and I suspect it will be the same again...

 

[Remember Stanlake]

The big stumbling block is to convince Fev, hence why his mgr put a ridiculous figure of $700k on his head.
Secondly it depends whether Judd goes to Carlton or Collingwood. Looking like Collingwood for mine.

We may consider trading Pick 5 for Fev at this price if Carlton agree to supplement part of his wage. This could be an option that might entice all parties. We get Fev, Carlton get Judd and Fev gets a payrise!

 

[sinepari]

MJP for the Phantom Draft...if someone pulls out.

 

[eddies army]

We may consider trading Pick 5 for Fev at this price if Carlton agree to supplement part of his wage. This could be an option that might entice all parties. We get Fev, Carlton get Judd and Fev gets a payrise!

i think even if they were to consider this theyd want more than just 5

 

[Dorval6]

Was mentioned on another thread that Eade was still chasing a power forward.

I suspect that it won't be Fev.

Who does that leave?

I wouldn't mind chasing Roughhead.

 

[Fossie 32]

The fact is that the players on our list are actually good players with good skills. What we lack is intensity, hardness and something that we have had in the last few years but not had this year, risk taking. The best part about Geelong today, was the risks that they took. I never saw any player back down from a single contest. We have a similar skill level to Geelong's as demonstrated by the two games we played against them last year. We played at the same level as them in both games and both teams were brilliant both times.
We need to do what Geelong did, take a good hard look at ourselves and the players need to prove to themselves how good they are. We don't need to be involved in blockbuster trades to make ourselves a better team, we only need an improved mindset or to bring in some kids with the right mindset.

Spot on. The Cats showed how things can turn around from one year to the next.

 

[scooter600x]

Rance: I haven't really seen enough of, but is certainly a good mover and ball user. Seems more a 'reader of the play' defender than contested ball winner or forward. Has at least one big fan who posts here who will (I'm sure) happily post more about him. Game style? Maybe Craig Ellis at his best?

The only time I've seen him was v SA in the champs. He was fantastic that day. Played FB and marked everything in sight. Next thing you know he's running down the wing having 3 bounces and putting it deep into F50.

I'll throw another name up from that game as well, WA's Dave Gourdis. Leadup CHF who a whole heap of marks that day. Very much of the Hansen mould, works his bum off and has fantastic hands.

 

[Fossie 32]

Was mentioned on another thread that Eade was still chasing a power forward.

I suspect that it won't be Fev.

Who does that leave?

I wouldn't mind chasing Roughhead.

Grima. The Cats don't need him and still have Hawkins in reserve.

 

[Gridlock'd]

Grima. The Cats don't need him and still have Hawkins in reserve.

Grima's certainly not a power forward, hes barely a forward.

 

[Fossie 32]

Grima's certainly not a power forward, hes barely a forward.

Yeah I should've put a question mark in as I haven't even seen him play
but he did kick 10 in the U18 champs, well up in the goalkicking in the VFL and seems highly rated by some on the Cats board.......

 

[wotdude25]

Could O'Shea possibly play forward. He is similar age to guys that will be drafted this year. I think he would be more beneficial as a developing forward than a defender. He, Williams, Wight, Skipper and Tiller could all be great tall forwards, and if only one or two of them end up being great forwards, we still have one or two great tall forwards.
Hargrave at Half forward flank next year?

 

[Bulldogs_6]

My last go at predicting the outcome of tradeweek + what i think we should attempt.
Presuming Farren and Jordie want to go home which isnt official i would:

Give jordie to the crows for Ben Hudson and their 2nd Rounder.

+

Give Freo Farren Ray and our 2 second rounders (crows deal) for Ryan Murphy and their 1st Rounder.

That way by the end of tradeweek we will end up with (in terms of gains and losses).
Gains: Picks 5,7, Ben Hudson, Ryan Murphy.
Losses: Farren Ray, Jordan McMahon and 2nd Rounder.

Freo.
Gain: 2nd Rounders and Farren Ray
Lose: Ryan Murphy and 1st Rounder

Crows.
Gain: Jordan McMahon
Lose: Ben Hudson and 2nd Rounder

Win for all teams i say, presuming that Farren and Jordie want to go home ofcourse, otherwise dont worry about that deal

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

My last go at predicting the outcome of tradeweek + what i think we should attempt.
Presuming Farren and Jordie want to go home which isnt official i would:

Give jordie to the crows for Ben Hudson and their 2nd Rounder.

+

Give Freo Farren Ray and our 2 second rounders (crows deal) for Ryan Murphy and their 1st Rounder.

That way by the end of tradeweek we will end up with (in terms of gains and losses).
Gains: Picks 5,7, Ben Hudson, Ryan Murphy.
Losses: Farren Ray, Jordan McMahon and 2nd Rounder.

Freo.
Gain: 2nd Rounders and Farren Ray
Lose: Ryan Murphy and 1st Rounder

Crows.
Gain: Jordan McMahon
Lose: Ben Hudson and 2nd Rounder

Win for all teams i say, presuming that Farren and Jordie want to go home ofcourse, otherwise dont worry about that deal

Fremantle won't give up their first round pick AND Murphy. No chance. IMO we'll end up with Pick 5, no second rounder, Hudson & perhaps another bigger bodied player (Crowley as an EXAMPLE - nothing more than an example). I doubt we'll be gaining any tall forwards unless Eade wants to take a "McDougall" like punt on McGregor, or pursue a Roughead type. I suspect we'll be involved in a deal involving a swap of draft picks. We won't do anything drastic, but I think we'll refine our list's needs. Hudson will be a good addition, and another bigger bodied player either down back or in the midfield would be benefitical. Still leaves us with Pick 5 to draft a quality player - hopefully KPF. That's about as best as we could hope for. Means we're addressing our needs for a Ruckmen, Tall Forward & Bigger bodied types which will give us both short term and long term results. The club will need to keep this in check though and draft a young ruck or at very least, rookie one because otherwise we'll be in this position again in 3 years time.

 

[dominguez]

Fremantle won't give up their first round pick AND Murphy. No chance. IMO we'll end up with Pick 5, no second rounder, Hudson & perhaps another bigger bodied player (Crowley as an EXAMPLE - nothing more than an example). I doubt we'll be gaining any tall forwards unless Eade wants to take a "McDougall" like punt on McGregor, or pursue a Roughead type. I suspect we'll be involved in a deal involving a swap of draft picks. We won't do anything drastic, but I think we'll refine our list's needs. Hudson will be a good addition, and another bigger bodied player either down back or in the midfield would be benefitical. Still leaves us with Pick 5 to draft a quality player - hopefully KPF. That's about as best as we could hope for. Means we're addressing our needs for a Ruckmen, Tall Forward & Bigger bodied types which will give us both short term and long term results. The club will need to keep this in check though and draft a young ruck or at very least, rookie one because otherwise we'll be in this position again in 3 years time.

I know you said as an example, but what are you suggesting we trade that bigger bodied player (like Crowley) for, Ray? What would be the point of Fremantle, who want to bolster their midfield, trading one midfielder for another?

Like you said pick 7 and Murphy certainly won't be traded for Ray. A straight swap of Murphy for Ray is possible, I can't see there being a sweetener from either party. Murphy is contracted (and I think Ray is too?), so it's not as if either side is desperate to deal.

 

[Moo]

PT, you are not really telling me anything I dont know about Palmer - I have also seen him play several times.

I stand by my comments that I dont think he is a top 5 draft pick. If you think his speed and foot skills are as good as Cotchin's then you haven't been watching. Most of the other top picks will be big, athletic types. A club is going to have to absolutely fall in love with him during the interview process for him to go top 5...I dont see it, I just dont.

Put it this way - I think he will be on the board for our selection, Pick 5. Would you stand pat and take him??? Because I cannot see any other way he is a top 5 pick.

I am hoping Palmer goes top 7 if you get my drift.

Give Freo Farren Ray and our 2 second rounders (crows deal) for Ryan Murphy and their 1st Rounder.

Win for all teams i say, presuming that Farren and Jordie want to go home ofcourse, otherwise dont worry about that deal

Pick 7 and Murphy - for Ray and 2 2nd round picks .......do you want to apply the vaseline or should I do it ourselves?

 

[Rookie]

Grima's certainly not a power forward, hes barely a forward.

Yes, let's get Grima! He's an ex Tassie boy, I happen to know some of his family from when I was a kid - his grandmother to be precise. His brother is also a talented VFL footballer and his sister plays basketball to a very high standard - talented family.

(I have no idea if he is a hack or not, just like the nostalgia of the idea...)

 

[scooter600x]

Grima reminds me of Kent Kingsley

 

[desipura]

I am not sure about the top 5, but I will comment on the others with a doggies player reference for anyone who hasn't seen them.

Henderson: I dont think he attacks the ball hard enough, and I think he decides when he will and when he wont go - plays on his terms. This worries me because I think intensity is hard to coach. Reminds me of: Tim Walsh (probably doesn't help non Werribee watchers though).

Rance: I haven't really seen enough of, but is certainly a good mover and ball user. Seems more a 'reader of the play' defender than contested ball winner or forward. Has at least one big fan who posts here who will (I'm sure) happily post more about him. Game style? Maybe Craig Ellis at his best?

Gaertner: I really like this kid because he is an athletic freak who really (in the times I have seen him) has a go. He runs really hard, goes for his marks and is a real handful - I have also seen him play well as a defender/midfielder and as a forward...he does have kicking 'issues' though, and whilst he seems to do the job welll enough, can miss targets and with his ball drop, it is going to take a lot of work to fix. In terms of game style, I think of Andrejs Everitt.

All that said, I suspect they will be picked as you nominated them - first Hendersen, then Rance, then later on with Gaertner.

As for having my finger on the pulse, I doubt it. Everitt aside, I hadn't heard of a single one of Clayton's other picks last year and I suspect it will be the same again...

Great work MJP. We need a power forward who can read the play, no use just getting a big forward who is slow to read the play downfield.
Would you say McEvoy has that footy brain that could gain him a metre on a lead?
And how is his mobility below the knees?

 

[Butane]

If the dogs give there 2nd pick for Hudson and there 3rd pick for Callan....whats left?

Pick 5 then pick 50? Whoop-di-do.

Hows that going to fill the holes of Grant, Darcy, Robbins, Montgomery, Walsh, Baird, McCormack, Faulkner?