Haselby would be handy. Would probably cost more than he is worth though. Id only be willing to give up a 2nd rounder for him, and Freo would want more.
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Haselby would be handy. Would probably cost more than he is worth though. Id only be willing to give up a 2nd rounder for him, and Freo would want more.
I'd like to have a look at Haselby's contested/clearance stats. If its better then anyone in our midfield then i'd take him.
He's out of contract though isn't he? Management aren't too high on him either - Freo probably would rather something rather than nothing.
I've had a think about our drafting and trading strategy this year and I think given where we have finished we need to reconsider the value of our 1st pick. When Fev was first touted as a possible trade, we were expecting to finish in the 6 through 10 range which would have given us pick 8 to 13. Given the draft was not going to be a deep draft beyond the top 5 or 6 giving away our first round pick for Fev who would more than likely solve our forward problem seemed sensible.
The last 7 weeks have for me dispelled this thinking. Firstly pick 5 is an opportunity to grab a very good player - someone who will play 200+ games for the club, who could be a ruckman, key forward or hard bodied mid. I think pick 5 is too much to give up for Fev and whilst we may reap some benefit in the immediate term, we will lose badly out of the deal in 5 to 10 years time when the number 5 pick of 2007 is tearing us a new one.
Secondly, the last 7 weeks have for me indicated that the lack of a key forward alone is not the only problem that we have. We have issues in the ruck, we have issues in the size of our mid-fielders and we have issues with the willingness of players to want to lead. These are not quick fixes and Fev alone will not solve the problem.
My solution - we should trade for an additional 1st round pick - somewhere in the 8 to 14 range - possibly North/Hawks/Sydney and then use this pick to secure Fev, keeping our 5 pcik to use in the draft. Given the draft's depth I think we are likely to get clubs who have fiished 3 to 6 who would be willing to top up their list with a seasoned player rather than take a younger player and some of our better running players would be attractive.
Anyway that's my suggestion - may be a tad unrealistic and probably wont happen, but I'd be very, very,very disappointed if we gave away a top 5 pick
The last 7 weeks have for me dispelled this thinking. Firstly pick 5 is an opportunity to grab a very good player - someone who will play 200+ games for the club, who could be a ruckman, key forward or hard bodied mid. I think pick 5 is too much to give up for Fev and whilst we may reap some benefit in the immediate term, we will lose badly out of the deal in 5 to 10 years time when the number 5 pick of 2007 is tearing us a new one.
Secondly, the last 7 weeks have for me indicated that the lack of a key forward alone is not the only problem that we have. We have issues in the ruck, we have issues in the size of our mid-fielders and we have issues with the willingness of players to want to lead. These are not quick fixes and Fev alone will not solve the problem.
My solution - we should trade for an additional 1st round pick - somewhere in the 8 to 14 range - possibly North/Hawks/Sydney and then use this pick to secure Fev, keeping our 5 pcik to use in the draft. Given the draft's depth I think we are likely to get clubs who have fiished 3 to 6 who would be willing to top up their list with a seasoned player rather than take a younger player and some of our better running players would be attractive.
Anyway that's my suggestion - may be a tad unrealistic and probably wont happen, but I'd be very, very,very disappointed if we gave away a top 5 pick
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I agree wholeheartedly; we need to draft. This is where Clayton earns his money. Pick 5 is untouchable; Fevola is a superstar, he'd probably kick 60+ for us for 3 years but realistically we're too far off a flag to trade away such a high pick for him.
Even this year, we got Aker, but Port snapped up Krakour. He looks like being quite a good player. I'm sure questions will be asked in five years time if he's playing good footy. We could of had both Everitt and Krakour. I'm not saying trading for Aker was a mistake, but it's a bit of an example nonetheles, and that's with a much lower draft pick.
I hope Clayton is put to the test to draft for our needs, and see what he's able to conjur up.
One thing though, Fredi. Whilst gaining an additional first rounder would be great, you'd have to cough up a very good player. Who would you suggest? Gia, Ray & McMahon wouldn't demand such a price. Port aren't in need of a runner, which is a shame, because if they were, an offer such as McMahon + our 2nd Round Draft Pick for their First Round Draft Pick could be a possibility. Adelaide probably need a runner, but they'd surely look to draft as their list is ageing.
It's good in theory, but unless your willing to part ways with a very good footballer, we'll be sticking with the one draft pick.
I agree and I think this is where hard decisions need to be made. If I had to lay it on the line then the three you had mentioned would be the three most likely candidates with Higgins, Gilbee, Hargrave, Cross and Boyd also coming under consideration - about the only two with currency I wouldn't trade are Cooney and Griff (Everitt and Williams also excluded).
I agree we need to keep pick 5. However, I’d suggest that the opposite to what you say is true. When we were looking at pick 8-13, we were never a realistic chance of getting Fev as he’s worth more than that. Now we have pick 5 a swap might be possible (I’d still think we’d have to package it with McMahon or Gia). So I think it’s a distinct chance that if he’s available, we’ll put our first pick on the table. Just from everything that players, Eade, Smorgon have said…
I sincerely hope we don’t do it though. Clayton keeps getting good picks ripped from his hands and I’m quite sure that at pick 5 in this draft we’ll get a gun.
the age today is saying that Haselby is in dispute with Freo over $ & contract in general and that the Dockers have not re-signed Ryan Murphy and are interested in Farren Ray.
This would not be a straight swap as Ray would have more value than Murphy. There would be draft picks involved too.
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firstly i'd like to welcome myself to the board - the bulldogs inept peformance over the past 7 weeks has forced me into action! i need to vent!
but firstly - although i don't want to trade pick 5 - lets not get carried away about the importance of top 10 picks - there have been plently of high dud picks out there including the most talked about player on this forum
but firstly - although i don't want to trade pick 5 - lets not get carried away about the importance of top 10 picks - there have been plently of high dud picks out there including the most talked about player on this forum
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Draftee
Walsh - pick 4 plus the eagles picked Doogs with pick 5 and got very little out of him. draft picks are speculative and we shouldn't assume we're going to get a 200 gamer.
we need to weigh up the pro/cons of getting an established player who can give us 5 years of quality versus the lottery of the draft. although our last 2 first rounders do look the goods (higgins, everitt)
we need to weigh up the pro/cons of getting an established player who can give us 5 years of quality versus the lottery of the draft. although our last 2 first rounders do look the goods (higgins, everitt)
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On the flip side you could give away top picks to get a player who breaks down with knee problems and you may as well have thrown the pick in the bin. Everything is a risk however building players from scratch builds pride in the place they work in. Fevola already has a preconceived notion on the Dogs and this will take time to put him around to our way of thinking as opposed to Carltons. The young guys we have need to take the next step with leadership in mind and we will be fine. Without Grant out there it was obvious to blind Freddie that no one was prepared to put there hand up. This is not a bad thing as it shows the Football department who our leaders are and who are not. When recruiting Leadership needs to be one of the qualities that we need.
Coonie I think will get consistent and like Hodge for Hawthorn will show enough to put his hand up when Johno is ready to pass the baton.
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Murphy for Ray shouldn't be imediately dismissed.
I suggested Polak for Ray this time last year and was laughed out, though I wonder how many wish in hignsight they took that deal.
Ray's worth has since dropped, while Murphy hasn't had that great a season. Much like Polak it is due to being deprived on opportunity.
I suggested Polak for Ray this time last year and was laughed out, though I wonder how many wish in hignsight they took that deal.
Ray's worth has since dropped, while Murphy hasn't had that great a season. Much like Polak it is due to being deprived on opportunity.
ray has improved this season, so if anythign his trade value would have risen. The dogs wont be looking to trade fez, so if freo want him they will have to come up with an offer we cant refuse. you dont give away improving pick 4 midfielders for chump change
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Paul Hasleby anyone?
Was just have a read on the the freo board and by the sounds of things he isn't happy with the new contract on offer and could be on the outer.
Do you think he would gain much interest from the dogs?
Has just turned 26 and has plenty of footy left in him, also a good fit as that age bracket is where we have a clear defiency in. (leadership also?)
Has had a down year although he's a renown ball winner and a harder inside type who generates clearances which is what we're after.
Thoughts??
Was just have a read on the the freo board and by the sounds of things he isn't happy with the new contract on offer and could be on the outer.
Do you think he would gain much interest from the dogs?
Has just turned 26 and has plenty of footy left in him, also a good fit as that age bracket is where we have a clear defiency in. (leadership also?)
Has had a down year although he's a renown ball winner and a harder inside type who generates clearances which is what we're after.
Thoughts??
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You don't give away pick for 4 cheaply....
I think far too often what a club paid for a player comes into the equation what they believe his worth is.
Murphy is a developing KPP that was starved on opportunities due to Tarrant and Pavlich being in the side (Which is quite understandable).
The guy has shown he has ability (Unlike McDougal ever did while playing without having a Pavlich or Tarrant in the side), I don't believe he has shown any less than Ray.
Look all I am saying is...I don't want to have to this time next year tell you guys I told you so again
heres my 2 cents.
1) Keep pick 5 NO MATTER WHAT, and pick either mcevoy or henderson
2) if ray WANTS to go to freo, then ask for their FIRST pick or tell them to F-OFF
3) if Mcmahon wants to go to crows then ask for mcgregor and their 3rd pick.
4) TRY to get a 3rd rounder for Power, or keep him on the list.
PLEASE NO FEV!!!! PLEASE NO FEV!!!!
1) Keep pick 5 NO MATTER WHAT, and pick either mcevoy or henderson
2) if ray WANTS to go to freo, then ask for their FIRST pick or tell them to F-OFF
3) if Mcmahon wants to go to crows then ask for mcgregor and their 3rd pick.
4) TRY to get a 3rd rounder for Power, or keep him on the list.
PLEASE NO FEV!!!! PLEASE NO FEV!!!!
You don't give away pick for 4 cheaply....
I think far too often what a club paid for a player comes into the equation what they believe his worth is.
Murphy is a developing KPP that was starved on opportunities due to Tarrant and Pavlich being in the side (Which is quite understandable).
The guy has shown he has ability (Unlike McDougal ever did while playing without having a Pavlich or Tarrant in the side), I don't believe he has shown any less than Ray.
Look all I am saying is...I don't want to have to this time next year tell you guys I told you so again
we have a murphy already who is 100X better than urs. NO THANKS!!!
I agreed with the polak deal as polak could play either end and is a GREAT contested mark.
