Draft/Trade Talk Only Thread

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

what can fev offer us that johnno cant. IS fev a PACK marker? dont think so.

Are you ..... sober?

Fevola is a sensational pack mark, a sensational kick for goal, a good mark on the lead, and generally a good presenter.

I swear you have something against him. Sure enough, his attitude sucks. He's ageing etc. But his ability cannot be questioned, and you clearly haven't seen him play enough if you think he can't take a pack mark.

And no, I don't think we should go after Fevola either.

 

[DOG GOD]

Are you ..... sober?

Fevola is a sensational pack mark, a sensational kick for goal, a good mark on the lead, and generally a good presenter.

I swear you have something against him. Sure enough, his attitude sucks. He's ageing etc. But his ability cannot be questioned, and you clearly haven't seen him play enough if you think he can't take a pack mark.

And no, I don't think we should go after Fevola either.

does fev take consistant pack marks is what i was referring to, and probably shouldve stated that. And yes i do have a problem with him. If aker is the cancer for the club, then fev will be the tumor. I didnt want aker and i sure as hell dont want fev either, certainly not for what we'll have to pay.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

does fev take consistant pack marks is what i was referring to, and probably shouldve stated that. And yes i do have a problem with him. If aker is the cancer for the club, then fev will be the tumor. I didnt want aker and i sure as hell dont want fev either, certainly not for what we'll have to pay.

I agree that chasing Fevola is a silly quick fix that really, might even be as you say - a tumor. He'd be worth the gamble IF we didn't have so many holes in our list, but we do. He has 3 quality years of service - I highly doubt we'll come close to a Flag in that time. In that respect, you're right - for all the potential risk it's not worth it. He'd cost a bucket load too, both in $ and in getting him to the club.

IMO though, you're selling his ability short. He is a very strong mark. He consistently takes very good marks (pack marks included) and has proved this over the past 2-3 years. There is no disputing he's a GUN FF. If he didn't have attitude problems, he would be considered by all as one of the better FF's in the past decade (Minus Dunstall, Lockett, Ablett etc). More so in this modern era, anyway. If he didn't have the attitude problems, he'd probably even be a better player - which is saying something. I can understand how people dislike him, but what I don't get is how some don't rate him. He is a superstar full forward.

 

[DogsRuleWstNoBul]

If Fev comes to the Dogs I would be very surprised. He doesn't want to leave for a starters. Carlton have never said he is tradeable. Sure he is dopey and makes mistakes at Carlton but the thing is you are willing to look past them and take him on. Don't you think if you are willing to look past them then so is Carlton.

 

[Bulldogs_6]

look up alex rance, family friend of ours, KP backman with massive potential, watch him often down at swan districts, hes something we lack a tall backman with potential that has confidence, hargrave isnt my favourite player because he cant handle a huge responsibility, and harris has either a bad one or a great one, we need a consistent, week to week backman, i think we shud have a crack at rancey

 

[DOG GOD]

look up alex rance, family friend of ours, KP backman with massive potential, watch him often down at swan districts, hes something we lack a tall backman with potential that has confidence, hargrave isnt my favourite player because he cant handle a huge responsibility, and harris has either a bad one or a great one, we need a consistent, week to week backman, i think we shud have a crack at rancey

he would certainly be on my list along with mcevoy and henderson for our pick 5.

 

[Bulldogs_6]

yeah henderson n mcevoy wuld be handy, dont know much about them tho, fill me in?

 

[DogsRuleWstNoBul]

Rance, Henderson and McEvoy. Now your talking. We should Draft our own Fev's

 

[Gridlock'd]

Rance, Henderson and McEvoy. Now your talking. We should Draft our own Fev's

But what if they arent Fev's and are actually Tim Walsh's?

 

[Bulldogs_6]

nooo mate, alex rance is no tim walsh, first of all:
1. he is a backman which requires a lot less pressure then tim walsh
2. he is probably the under 18s best backman meaning he can handle pressure of a good forward
3. and 3 he is a bit more built then tim walsh, tank!

 

[DogsRuleWstNoBul]

But what if they arent Fev's and are actually Tim Walsh's?

What if Fev falls over at a night club breaks his leg and does his knee on the other leg in the process. Life is a punt. Either way.

 

[Bulldogs_6]

whats henderson and mcevoy like?

 

[Gridlock'd]

What if Fev falls over at a night club breaks his leg and does his knee on the other leg in the process. Life is a punt. Either way.

Thats a bit different. Fev has the runs on the board and is proven at AFL level, if he falls over at breaks his leg at a nightclub, that is simply bad luck, cannot do anything about.

Drafting of players always has an element of risk involved. You could have the no 4 pick and end up with Tim Walsh and or you can have a very late pick and pick Chris Grant. Drafting is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get.

With Fev you know what your getting. A gun forward, who can take big grabs and kick big goals, but he is a nutter. All these have to be weighed up. But taking Fev would be the safe option.

 

[DOG GOD]

whats henderson and mcevoy like?

henderson is a KPF who has been injured this year and hasnt played much. Most phanton drafts have him going top 7.

Mcevoy i know MJP rates highly, and as a fwd rates him as good or better than kreuzer, (maybe mjp can talk about this some more). Mcevoy can play ruck and KPF, so he would be my pick just on this evaluation.

MJP is the one to ask though.

 

[DogsRuleWstNoBul]

whats henderson and mcevoy like?

Some good write ups about these players on the Draft Board.
Here is one on Rucks/KPP players By ant555 of the Essendon board.

2007 draft preview rucks and kp.
Part two from me for this years draft. I found this a bit harder than the midfielders simply becasue a lot of the talls have been a bit up and down or injured. There are a good number that i havnt seen a lot of so there will be players others rate that i have missed here.

Matt Kreuzer-199cm, 91kg-Northern Knights. (ruck) The most talked about player in the draft and for pretty good reason. His tap work is good but he holds his own more than dominates. It is around the ground where his class shows. He simply moves around like another midfielder. Has clean hands and good skills and can tackle. Has great running ability and gets to contests all around the ground. To put it plainly guys his size who can play like midfielders are too good to pass up.
Top 5 pick.

Alex Rance-194cm, 87kg-Swan Districts. ( CHB/FB). The star defender of the National champs. His run out of defence was great. His defensive work was excellent. Has good pace and skills for a big bloke. He worked in well with Browne and Meyers to give WA the killer dash from defence. His handballing was creative and he hits targets by foot. He is simply a defender that every club will rate.
Top 15 pick.

Ben McEvoy-199cm, 90kg-Murray Bushrangers. (Ruck, fwd) He has been on the radar for a while and has had good form this year. He was one of Country’s best performers during the champs playing in the ruck and up forward. He looks to have good endurance and moves around the ground well but he is not blessed with a lot of pace. His ruckwork is pretty good and he can read the play. His kicking skills are very good and he can take a good contested mark. He is the type of ruckman that can ruck for a good portion of the match. Where he goes in the draft will be interesting.
Pick 10 to 30

Tom Collier – 192cm, 86kg-Lauderdale TAS. ( RR/CHB). I have Tom in my midfield review as well but he has to be in the backs too given he has played a lot at CHB. Not sure if he will have the height to be an outright KP player but he certainly can play the running half back role and his defensive skills are good. Uses the footy well. Reads the game well. There is no doubt clubs will like his ability to play back or in the middle.
Top 25 pick.

Tate Pears-192cm, 90kg-East Perth-(CHB/HBF). Played at CHB for WA in the champs and played well. Like Collier is probably a bit short of the prototype CHB but he simply gets the job done. Plays tight but knows when to run off. Like his team mates he gave WA great run from defence. He has shown he can spoil well and has played forward at times with East Perth colts and kicked a goal.
Pick 15 to 40.

Thomas Bellchambers-199cm, 91kg-Northern Bombers. (Ruck). Tasmania’s number one ruckman who’s tap work during the champs was very good. Gets in good positions to hit the ball to his team mates but he can be prone to hitting to nothing spots at times. He has a bit or work to do as far as his around the ground stuff goes. He can take a nice mark and kicks the footy ok for a big bloke. I think someone will take a punt on him simply because of his tap skills.
Pick 20 to 50.

Lachie Henderson-196cm, 90kg-Geelong Falcons.(Fwd). Hard to line up this year because he has been injured and missed a lot of the season. Played some good footy last year and he was good around the ground and a good mark. Played pretty well in last years TAC Cup finals which pretty much has to be the guide as he has only played two games this year for the Falcons and I have only seen one of them. He has played in the ruck a bit so far but I don’t think he has the height or leap to be an AFL ruckman. His kicking is good for a big bloke. I am not really sure where he will go in the draft.
Pick 15 to 40

Darcy Daniher – 192cm, 80kg-Calder Cannons. (CHB) Darcy has been played forward and back, sometimes in the same game, all year in the TAC Cup. When he has played forward he has shown he can kick goals. Can take a good grab and he is a free flowing runner who moves around the ground well. During the Champs he played mainly in defence and although he was not a stand out he did play pretty well. His kicking is pretty strong and he hits targets pretty well. Has had a lot of games where he has had 15 to 20 disposals which isn’t bad for a big bloke. Hasn’t really been outstanding too often but has played solid footy all the way through.
Pick 20 to 50.

Steve Gaertner-196cm, 83kg-Dandenong Stingrays. (Fwd). Interesting player this bloke. In the games I have seen him play he has certainly looked very athletic with good pace for a big man and pretty good skills. The problem with him when I have been watching is he often looks like he is going to take a game apart only to fade out of the game. Looks like he is on fire but it only last 10 minutes or so. When he is on song he can take a strong grab.
Pick 20 to 50.

Scott Simpson-194cm, 91kg-Dandenong Stingrays. (Fwd). Good contested marking forward who is a reasonable goal kicker. He has played a bit in the ruck as well but I am not sure he will be big enough to ruck at AFL level. Like Gaertner he looks like he is about to tear a game apart at times but it never really seems to happen. The way he moves around and plays I think he has a huge upside if he can find some consistency.
Pick 20 to 40.

Andrew Renton-202cm, 94kg-Eastern Rangers. (Ruck). Good size ruckman who has done well for Rangers this year. His tap work is good but he could learn to better direct some of his hit outs. He also has to learn that he must jump at all the ruck contests as he sometimes tries to rely on just his height. When he actually does jump at a contest he looks very good. He is a good mark and his kicking is reliable but he needs to do more around the ground and he wanders from contest to contest a lot of the time rather than getting involved. Can take a grab and kick a goal when he is up forward. Someone will take a punt on him and hope they can get his work rate up to match his raw talent.
Pick 25 to 60.

James Mulligan-201cm, 96kg-Southport. (Ruck). I have only seen him play three games and he hasn’t really done a lot but in small patch’s he has shown some raw talent. He is mobile. He can kick the footy a mile and can take a mark. Doesn’t do nearly enough around the ground or in the ruck for that matter. Like Renton I think someone will take a chance with him simply because of the raw product.
Pick 40 plus.


Dave Gourdis-193cm, 88kg-Subiaco. (CHF) Impressed for WA at CHF during the champs. Good sized kid who was very mobile and a good shot at gaol. Kicking skills are pretty good and he was prepared to work hard to present as a target. Seemed to read the play very well and knew where to lead so he could get himself in the game.
Pick 10 to 40.

Dan McKenna-194cm, 82kg-Gippsland Power. (FWD / BCK). Has had a bit of an up and down year playing in a strong side. Has been used at CHF and CHB during the year. Had some good early form as a key forward but it has dropped of a little as the season has gone on. Had a reasonable time at the Champs without being a star. Has shown some sort of ability to read the play as a back man and he can spoil well if needed. Is pretty lightly built at the moment.
Pick 25 to 60.

Luke Sampey-191cm, 91kg-East Perth. (FWD). Not overly tall for KP but did well playing FF for WA during the champs. Leads up well and can take a decent mark. Goal kicking is a bit 50/50.
Pick 40 plus.

Will Sullivan – 202cm, 95kg-Western Jets. (Ruck). Tall ruckman who’s form is a little up and down. His skills are pretty good for a big man but he should be doing more around the ground than what he does. Had a quiet time at the champs for Vic metro. His tap work is good when he plays well but for a bloke his size he doesn’t always use his bulk. Has had some games with 25 plus hit outs.
Pick 40 plus.

Matt Lobbe-197cm, 80kg-Eastern Rangers. (FWD). Has played part time in the ruck but has spent most of his time playing CHF. Has good hands and is a good kick but needs to impose himself on contests more often. Looks like at times he is stuck playing under 16 mindset where he can just have the footy kicked in his direction so he can take a grab. Gets around the ground ok for a tall bloke.
Pick 40 plus.

Trent Zomer-194cm, 94kg-Eastern Rangers. (Fwd) Spends a bit of time rucking but will never be an AFL ruckman. It has been up forward he has sown his best form in recent times. Very good sized body. Leads up well and has strong hands. He is a good shot at goal.
Pick 50 plus.

Jayden Donaldson -188cm, 85kg-Bendigo Pioneers. Is a bit on the short side for a KP defender but is pretty good in the one on one duels. Finds enough of the footy for a defender and his kicking is ok. Has kicked goals when played forward including one bag of 6.
Pick 50 plus.

Shaun Dixon-186cm, 85kg-Eastern Rangers. A bit of a left field selection that will not be rated by most. Has been playing FB for Rangers and has been excellent against the big blokes or the smalls. He has an uncanny knack of being able to spoil all sizes of opponents without giving away free kicks. He has an awkward kicking style but does hit targets. Plays a lot taller than he is.
Pick 50 plus.

Travis Dulic-192cm, 90kg-Calder Cannons. Big solid kid he is a bit of an old style FB. Defence is very good. He pace is ok and he has a decent long kick. He can be a bit hit and miss as far as hitting targets go.
Pick 40 plus.

Robert Tarrant -196cm, 92kg-Bendigo Pioneers. I have to put Tarrant on this list as i'm pretty sure someone will take him. Can’t give him much of a rating because I have only seen him play once this year (against Rangers). He was reasonably good in this game and took some good grabs but his kicking wasn’t great. Every other time I have seen Bendigo play he has been injured.
Pick 20 to 60.

Jake Spiteri-193cm, 87kg-Northern Knights. Solid kid who has played Ruck, CHF and CHB for the Knights this year. He goes ok in the ruck but is not really a genuine ruckman. Leads up well and is reasonably mobile at CHF. Doesn’t win huge amounts of the footy but has had a few strong games. Pace is reasonable for a big guy. His defensive skills are ok. Kicking is ok on the right. Can take a strong Mark.
Pick 40 plus.

Tim Bongetti-191cm, 89kg-Northern Knights. Good strong bodied forward who can take a good grab. His left foot goal kicking is good but he can struggle to kick it 50 meters in games I have seen him play. His leading is good and seems to know where to lead. Pace is a bit of a question mark as he isn’t quick and lumbers a bit. Has kicked a few bags of goals during the year.
Pick 40 plus.

Matthew Quinton – 192cm, 89kg- Northern Knights. Defender who is a reasonably good right foot kick. Doesn’t win a huge amount of the footy but is good on his day. Defensive skills are good. Has played mainly fullback. Seems to read the play pretty well and on his better days he will back himself to run out of defence.

Toby Thoolan-195cm, 92kg-Bendigo Pioneers. Tallish bottom age kid who has played mainly Ruck and FP this year. Has a pretty good leap in the ruck and can win taps. He is pretty mobile and his pace is ok for a tall. His kicking is pretty good and he can kick it a long way. When he has been resting up forward he has managed a goal or two in most games but I think he could possibly work on presenting at the contest more as he doesn’t take a lot of contested marks.
Pick 40 plus.

John Shaw-197cm, 90kg-Sandringham Dragons. Overage ruckman who has played well for Sandy this year. Wins plenty of taps but doesn’t get much of the footy around the ground. Can take a good contested mark. His kicking is nothing to write home about but not terrible. Hasn’t much pace.
Pick 50 plus.

Luke Casey-Leigh-195cm, 84kg-Sandringham Dragons. Tall defender whose defensive skills are ok. Not great body on body. Kicking is average and needs to improve his awareness when he has the footy in his hands.
Pick 50 plus.

Harry Croft-192cm, 82kg-Oakleigh Chargers. Has missed a bit of footy this year so I haven’t seen a lot of him. Has played in defence and as a forward. Has also had a run in the middle. His marking is good and skills look ok. Has good hands in close.
Pick 30 plus.

Andrew Hogan – 198cm, 81kg-Oakleigh Chargers. Has been ok in a few games for the Chargers this year. Tall skinny kid who gets around the ground ok. Ruck work is reasonable. Right foot kicking is good and he can take a mark.
Pick 40 plus.

Glenn Chivers-189cm, 85kg-Oakliegh Chargers. Have only seen him play a couple of times but his defensive skills are ok. Pace is reasonable. His kicking is a bit scruffy. Is now taller than the 189cm that he is listed at. Hasn’t played a lot of TAC Cup footy. Can tackle.
Pick 45 plus.

Chris Kangars-193cm, 84kg-Geelong Falcons. Another who I have only seen a few times. Tallish and a bit on the skinny side but moves ok. Defensive skills are ok. Can find the footy. His kicking is ok. In the games where he has found more of the footy he handballs off to the running players more than kicking it. Can take a contested mark.
Pick 40 plus.

Dawson Simpson-205cm, 97 kg-Murray Bushrangers. Very tall ruckman who wins a lot of the tap work. I haven’t seen a lot of him play and when I have I have thought he needs to do more around the ground. Doesn’t really win a lot of the footy. Someone will have a look at simply because of his height.
Pick 40 plus.

 

[Bulldogs_6]

so what do you think, henderson, mecevoy or rance? if it were me id go safe for the backman but maybe thats just me being bias, and use utha picks in the weak draft to pick up a proven key forward?

 

[Gridlock'd]

Going by the write ups, I would go with McEvoy. But I have never seen any of these players so cant really comment.

 

[Bulldogs_6]

looking at mcevoy it says pick 10-30? i honestly think itd be safer to go for henderson/rance first pick but then probably snatch a high 2nd round pick by trading someone like mcmahon?

 

[DogsRuleWstNoBul]

It's either McEvoy or Henderson. Given we always go for the roughy I say Henderson will be picked.

 

[Bulldogs_6]

without giving away too much the dogs are talking to rance, these write ups dont give me a very good impression on henderson and mcevoy

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

looking at mcevoy it says pick 10-30? i honestly think itd be safer to go for henderson/rance first pick but then probably snatch a high 2nd round pick by trading someone like mcmahon?

Henderson is rated by that poster as being in the 15-40 mark.

There's no telling where any of them will go, hence the widespread predictions.

For mine we have enough developing backmen. Harris, Williams, Everitt, Wight, McDougall, O'Shea & Grant can all play back. Add Hargrave and Morris to the list, we're OK for backs.

It seems that it's a "Henderson vs. McEvoy" situation, with them being rated the two best talls - or there abouts, with Rance included. McEvoy lacks pace apparently which could be a concern.

I'm glad I'm not Clayton.

 

[DogsRuleWstNoBul]

Henderson is rated by that poster as being in the 15-40 mark.

There's no telling where any of them will go, hence the widespread predictions.

For mine we have enough developing backmen. Harris, Williams, Everitt, Wight, McDougall, O'Shea & Grant can all play back. Add Hargrave and Morris to the list, we're OK for backs.

It seems that it's a "Henderson vs. McEvoy" situation, with them being rated the two best talls - or there abouts, with Rance included. McEvoy lacks pace apparently which could be a concern.

I'm glad I'm not Clayton.

Scottie Wynd lacked pace but I would still have a fit 25 year old version as number one ruckmen in our team. Ottens is also slow but still plays forward and ruck well. Don't see it to much as an issue if he is a good strong mark. If not don't need another Minson.

 

[pumpter]

I hope the Bulldogs chase Justin Longmuir of the Dockers. He didn't play a lot this year and will if he stays at the Dockers then he will probably be 3rd in the pecking order behind Sandilands and Warnock. His trade currency would be fairly low so shouldn't cost us much more than McDougal is.

He is very similar to McDougal in that he was a high draft pick (No 2) who has shown flashes of brilliance without the consistency. He can play in the Ruck or as a Key Forward and certainly has far more ability than Street or Skipper has. Well worth the punt.

 

[mjp]

McEvoy lacks pace apparently which could be a concern.

McEvoy is QUICK. Perhaps the person who wrote that was looking at a stop watch and not looking at a game? I am not sure. I ask everyone to believe what they see, not what they read.

Some interesting comments here, particluarly about young Rance.I have only seen him on 3 occasions, and agree - he does look good. Be careful though when saying he is 'much better' than Walsh - whilst he might be, he hasn't actually DONE anything yet.

In u18 footy, the better players primarily play forward - the best junior CHB I have ever seen (Hansen from Gippsland, now at North) has struggled to make a consistent impact this year, and whilst I still think he will be a good player...all I am suggesting is that Rance is no sure thing, and the best juniors usually play forward.

 

[promking22]

Dave Gourdis-193cm, 88kg-Subiaco. (CHF) Impressed for WA at CHF during the champs. Good sized kid who was very mobile and a good shot at goal. Kicking skills are pretty good and he was prepared to work hard to present as a target. Seemed to read the play very well and knew where to lead so he could get himself in the game.
Pick 10 to 40.


From this alone, he sounds like the go for us
We need a key forward more than we do defenders

Re Justin Longmuir: If he's cheap, why not