Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

[eDPS]

Spoiler: eDPS 2020 Phantom Draft

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

Any issues with the below please tag Lore in this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-future-pick-tracker.1229399/unread/

Spoiler: Draft Central Draft Guide

 

[84859300]

I doubt anyone barring Townsend will be delisted at this point in time.

Could Zaharakis be in the gun here to be moved on?

 

[eth-dog]

Could Zaharakis be in the gun here to be moved on?

We don't delist contracted players, period.

 

[andleanback]

I doubt anyone barring Townsend will be delisted at this point in time.

Crauford might go

 

[11kgm]

Crauford might go

Id rather mosquito going then him.

Surely we have can get rid of another spud first

 

[Yoda_]

Crauford might go

Ham is without a contract. He should be next cab off the rank imho


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[eth-dog]

Phillips or Laverde should go well before either Ham or Crauford.

 

[citizen-erased]

Phillips or Laverde should go well before either Ham or Crauford.

With Wright in, it's Phillips for me.

Draper - Wright* - Stewart* - Bryan - Crauford
*2 fwds who can ruck. not ideal, but can. They can ruck against Dunkley

 

[Bombermania]

Ham's tackling pressure makes him more important now that we don't have Saad.

 

[Mikevk123]

Logan McDonald
Archie Perkins
Nathan O’Driscoll
Zach Reid

My watchlist

 

[citizen-erased]

Logan McDonald
Archie Perkins
Nathan O’Driscoll
Zach Reid

My watchlist

happy with those latter 3 for the picks we have.

 

[Atavistic]

Delisting Townsend should be the easiest of decisions to make. I worry about Rutten's judgment when he claims that Townsend adds something to our forward line. IMO Laverde is better and roughly a similar type of player.

 

[faible]

Delisting Townsend should be the easiest of decisions to make. I worry about Rutten's judgment when he claims that Townsend adds something to our forward line. IMO Laverde is better and roughly a similar type of player.

Laverde is also often injured. Stewart wasn't ready to play. Daniher wasn't ready to play.

We had Langford playing at FF at one point.

 

[faible]

Also, noticed that when asked about the draft picks Dodoro mention Rob Forster-Knight being excited about it; does that mean he's the one doing the scouting / selections these days?

 

[bombreys]

Could Zaharakis be in the gun here to be moved on?

Truck loves him, will 100% play every game next year if not injured.

 

[Lore]

Also, noticed that when asked about the draft picks Dodoro mention Rob Forster-Knight being excited about it; does that mean he's the one doing the scouting / selections these days?

I think he's in charge of the draft side of things yeah, but he's been working in that department for years. Merv Keane used to be our draft guy iirc and Forster-Knight got promoted when Merv left 2-3 years ago.

 

[faible]

I think he's in charge of the draft side of things yeah, but he's been working in that department for years. Merv Keane used to be our draft guy iirc and Forster-Knight got promoted when Merv left 2-3 years ago.

What role does Dodoro play versus Forster-Knight do we know? In terms of who identifies talent, and makes the decisions on who we take at a selection? Probably more a Dodoro thread thing.

 

[Lore]

What role does Dodoro play versus Forster-Knight do we know? In terms of who identifies talent, and makes the decisions on who we take at a selection? Probably more a Dodoro thread thing.

Back in 2018 when he was first promoted to GM - List & Recruiting his department consisted of:

Mervyn Keane - Senior Recruiting Manager
Rob Forster-Knight - Recruiting & Analytics Manager
Georgia Harvey - Recruiting and List Administrator
Glenn Knight - Recruiting Analyst

Staff Listing - essendonfc.com.au

web.archive.org

Merv left shortly after the last time it was updated though and idk what their job titles are now or who is in there really.

Educated guess would be Dodoro doing list managing (as in, re-signing/delisting current players) and also recruiting obviously in terms of negotiating trades and stuff.

Pro-scouting is a part-time gig that Mark Harvey is now doing, idk if he's the only one in that role or if there's multiple but that's looking at players from other AFL clubs.

Rob Forster-Knight is apparently quite involved in the draft stuff.

Georgia Harvey is still admin.

Beyond that there are things like touching base with all the player managers three times a year in addition to negotiating contracts, building up relationships with draft prospects, touching base with industry contacts that might coach U18s or know a kid and recommend them to you, plus any paid scouts that you'd be overseeing as well. And then salary cap, list numbers, and whatever they do to get Irish kids involved with the club. No idea who does what out of that stuff, although there are some logical alignments.


From what SOS and Rendell were saying on TR this week – and I've heard it before about Essendon too but it was good to know it's not unusual – the list manager makes most of the decisions as that's what you employ them for, but any big contracts get approvals all the way from the top, so board level ratification. He was talking in the context of Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

potentially ending up in the draft and saying how a contract that big would have to be signed off at board level and there's always these risk-averse types on the board that would want to know that you've done a medical on them and interviewed them and stuff, check how it fits with TPP etc. They wouldn't sign off if you haven't done that.

So I think the bottom line is basically Dodoro making decisions with the advice and a large amount of input/research done by others including coaches and staff (and typically you take the advice of those you pay to give it right?). Things like bringing in Shiel on big $$, keeping Daniher on big $$ and without a replacement, and re-signing the players in 2016 on big $$ would have been a whole of club situation.

 

[faible]

Back in 2018 when he was first promoted to GM - List & Recruiting his department consisted of:

Mervyn Keane - Senior Recruiting Manager
Rob Forster-Knight - Recruiting & Analytics Manager
Georgia Harvey - Recruiting and List Administrator
Glenn Knight - Recruiting Analyst

Staff Listing - essendonfc.com.au

web.archive.org

Merv left shortly after the last time it was updated though and idk what their job titles are now or who is in there really.

Educated guess would be Dodoro doing list managing (as in, re-signing/delisting current players) and also recruiting obviously in terms of negotiating trades and stuff.

Pro-scouting is a part-time gig that Mark Harvey is now doing, idk if he's the only one in that role or if there's multiple but that's looking at players from other AFL clubs.

Rob Forster-Knight is apparently quite involved in the draft stuff.

Georgia Harvey is still admin.

Beyond that there are things like touching base with all the player managers three times a year in addition to negotiating contracts, building up relationships with draft prospects, touching base with industry contacts that might coach U18s or know a kid and recommend them to you, plus any paid scouts that you'd be overseeing as well. And then salary cap, list numbers, and whatever they do to get Irish kids involved with the club. No idea who does what out of that stuff, although there are some logical alignments.


From what SOS and Rendell were saying on TR this week – and I've heard it before about Essendon too but it was good to know it's not unusual – the list manager makes most of the decisions as that's what you employ them for, but any big contracts get approvals all the way from the top, so board level ratification. He was talking in the context of Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

potentially ending up in the draft and saying how a contract that big would have to be signed off at board level and there's always these risk-averse types on the board that would want to know that you've done a medical on them and interviewed them and stuff, check how it fits with TPP etc. They wouldn't sign off if you haven't done that.

So I think the bottom line is basically Dodoro making decisions with the advice and a large amount of input/research done by others including coaches and staff (and typically you take the advice of those you pay to give it right?). Things like bringing in Shiel on big $$, keeping Daniher on big $$ and without a replacement, and re-signing the players in 2016 on big $$ would have been a whole of club situation.

Not just a statistics guru!

 

[Lore]

Not just a statistics guru!

I like to know things. Sometimes it's qualitative, sometimes it's quantitative

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Is Georgia the daughter of Mark Harvey?

 

[Steve94]

Are we able to start up a poll of who we should draft? Not sure if you can vote 2/3 times to try and get an idea of who people think we should take with all 3 picks

 

[eDPS]

Are we able to start up a poll of who we should draft? Not sure if you can vote 2/3 times to try and get an idea of who people think we should take with all 3 picks

Might get one up a bit closer to the draft in case we do any picks swaps in the next couple of weeks

 

[Steve94]

Might get one up a bit closer to the draft in case we do any picks swaps in the next couple of weeks

Seems likely so fair point

 

[faible]

I like to know things. Sometimes it's qualitative, sometimes it's quantitative

Sounds like you know stuff good

 

[Zach Package]

How do the deficit rules impact us?

Say Brand gets bid on in round 2, we don’t have a round 2 pick this year or next, is my understanding correct that the deficit is then placed upon our next natural selection, which is likely to be our 3rd rounder next year? Is that right?

Eyre likewise, does that then get taken out of our other round 3 pick next year from port? If not then we don’t have a round 4 pick next year, where do the points come from?