Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

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[Runk]

That’s my point though it’s only affecting him because he’s probably an entitled little kid. If he grew up in Bendigo with working class parents doubt he’d have the same attitude to moving anywhere to follow his dream.

Well it's all talk from a bunch of people who don't matter at the end of the day. No point in being upset by it. Clubs will be aware of this clearly, have spoken with his management. Due diligence is key here.

 

[Dons4Life]

He extracts the ball, he's exactly what we need to win games. He's also 186cm so he's a decent sized midfielder. Also his brother is an absolute gun, so why wouldn't we want him in the top 10?

I dont see extracting the ball as a massive issue. Yeah we can always want more taller/bigger bodies to helping the middle but is he just another "safe" pick. We need some match winners and havent had one since probably Hird. And having a brother means sweet FA. Jackson Merrett

Jackson Merrett

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

171.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.6

5star

!! Darcy Daniher

Darcy Daniher

Age

36

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.3

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

!!
By the way how good were the Browns on Monday morning. Baker throwing dimes!!

 

[Keystone agony]

I have no doubt his blatant comments and how hes said them would be discussed by the club who was taking him

Maybe he couldve said it better

Hes basically removed half of the comp im not sure many kids do that especially having not played a game in 15 months

 

[andleanback]

Chad Wingard

20

Chad Wingard

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.2

3star

did the same thing in his draft year. Told GWS that they shouldnt draft him cause he would ask to go back to Adelaide in a couple of years. 2 x AA and a best and fairest later, i think he was a good pick for Port.

I would be stunned if he is the only player to state this to an interstate club. Do you reckon Brisbane would have appreciated such honesty when they drafted Yeo/Docherty/Polec so they could have picked someone else? Absolutely.

He is an 18yo kid. If he trots out the old 'happy to go anywhere' line, where he actually isnt, he is doing everyone a disservice. AFL is a business, clubs are employers. Having a preference of employment is normal.

If he was a 3rd round prospect i have no doubt he would not say that. But he has option at VIC clubs in Essendon and Norf at the worst.
Also, the fact he wants to stay in Vic and goes to Brighton grammar probably isnt grounds to label him spoilt. That an element of his character that you are connecting the dots on.

One more example, Oliver Florent

14

Oliver Florent

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

350.0

5star

D

18.3

4star

K

11.7

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

350.0

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

4star

(a fellow Sandy dragon) told clubs he wanted to stay in Vic and didnt want to go interstate. Sydney drafted him, put the work in, and now hebis a pig in mud up there. It can turn around, it is only a preference.

You’re missing the point, you nominate you should expect to go anywhere, especially as a 1st rounder. Wingard should’ve been a star for port. Exactly you should draft them anyway and if your culture is good they’ll probably end up staying, of course the lions boys left the place was a shambles. 1st round draft pick contracts should be 3 years minimum for starters.

 

[Fridge16]

I just see Jordan DeGoey when I read this. Not sure why...

 

[BrunoV]

Chad Wingard

20

Chad Wingard

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.2

3star

did the same thing in his draft year. Told GWS that they shouldnt draft him cause he would ask to go back to Adelaide in a couple of years. 2 x AA and a best and fairest later, i think he was a good pick for Port.

I would be stunned if he is the only player to state this to an interstate club. Do you reckon Brisbane would have appreciated such honesty when they drafted Yeo/Docherty/Polec so they could have picked someone else? Absolutely.

He is an 18yo kid. If he trots out the old 'happy to go anywhere' line, where he actually isnt, he is doing everyone a disservice. AFL is a business, clubs are employers. Having a preference of employment is normal.

If he was a 3rd round prospect i have no doubt he would not say that. But he has option at VIC clubs in Essendon and Norf at the worst

I don't agree with the mentality but in a context in which the clubs have minimal control over the players, see what has been happening to GWS, the recruits probably owe it to the clubs to be honest. I'd just hope these kids are being advised to keep publicly quiet about it and not advertise things about themselves which are not admirable.

If I had my way I'd take the player control out of movement until free agency and increase initial contract lengths at least for the first round in which case it would be left to the clubs and then everyone can do as they please.

 

[andleanback]

Well it's all talk from a bunch of people who don't matter at the end of the day. No point in being upset by it. Clubs will be aware of this clearly, have spoken with his management. Due diligence is key here.

I’m not upset at all . It’s just disappointing kids can’t get around playing interstate as it is a national comp. Only league in the world where it happens.

 

[BrunoV]

You’re missing the point, you nominate you should expect to go anywhere, especially as a 1st rounder. Wingard should’ve been a star for port. Exactly you should draft them anyway and if your culture is good they’ll probably end up staying, of course the lions boys left the place was a shambles. 1st round draft pick contracts should be 3 years minimum for starters.

Have already posted a response on the same line, but until the clubs have power to genuinely control player movement it's not helping the clubs for players to hide their true intentions.

These kids should absolutely be expected to "suck it up" but they don't and the current system does not require them to. The clubs might as well know who is a flight risk. There will always be pros like Rowell and Pavlich. I'd say the pros tend to be the rule.

 

[Runk]

I’m not upset at all . It’s just disappointing kids can’t get around playing interstate as it is a national comp. Only league in the world where it happens.

I didn't say you were, just saying there's not point in it. I'm sure we'll draft 3 skinny half back flankers this evening nonetheless. Then we can lose our shit.

 

[eth-dog]

Reid's not excellent athletic prospect he's on the good side of average maybe good.

Speed is good side of average, 3.17s / 20m, endurance on the good side of average, 6:30 / 2km. Cox's 2.9odds / 20m and 6 flat / 2km is a ridiculously good combination of speed and endurance.

From what I can tell the agility test, something Reid excels at, has no apparent conversion to AFL athleticism for talls who are 10 to 15kgs from their final playing weight.

Cox is otherwise the same as Reid for jumping.

Okay a 6 flat is freakish for an 18 year old. 6:30 2 km isn't "good side of average", it's excellent.

 

[Keystone agony]

I just see Jordan DeGoey when I read this. Not sure why...

I think its 'that attitude' that doesnt necessarily align to hard determined work all the time and thats what you need at the top level not just an athletic body

Even rocking up to the training with a surfies necklace

Old school recruiters/scouts would hate that

In which 90% of them are

 

[TheFrenchCut]

I think its the blatant way hes saying it.

Its very rich from a year of 12 months off and im not sure he exactly proved a heap last year? Other than being very athletically built

I mean it happens and plenty of kids do it to certain clubs and states

We wouldve had some kids telling us they dont want to be at our club after the saga and that was probably pushed a bit by the parents. Your probably onky talking about top 20 kids

I'm not one for arguing on the internet so I'll just say that while I understand your point, as you say, it's something that will have been happening for a while. Having a player say something publicly *could* lead to a proper discussion and response that actually helps.

I'd also say, the year everyone's just been through, particularly in Victoria, may have made some of this worse. A lot of these kids won't have had access to the things to prepare them that they otherwise would have. Some might also feel a stronger need to stay near family as such too.

 

[FlyingV]

I’m not upset at all . It’s just disappointing kids can’t get around playing interstate as it is a national comp. Only league in the world where it happens.

Do you watch NBA? You should have seen the face Lamelo Ball pulled when the hornets picked him no.3 overall.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Likewise with Perkins, what other industry mandates that an 18-year-old gets no say in who he works for or where?

If an 18-year-old in Melbourne was approached by the CBA to move to Sydney for instance, and he turned them down on the basis that he doesn't feel a move to another state at this point in life would be in his best interest, he would be lauded as making a mature decision.

Humans in general have too much expectations/demands of some kids purely due to the fact that they are athletes.

 

[andleanback]

Do you watch NBA? You should have seen the face Lamelo Ball pulled when the hornets picked him no.3 overall.

Probably because they are shit organization rather than moving there, I think he’d happily move to milwaukee if he got drafted there.

 

[citizen-erased]

Likewise with Perkins, what other industry mandates that an 18-year-old gets no say in who he works for or where?

If an 18-year-old in Melbourne was approached by the CBA to move to Sydney for instance, and he turned them down on the basis that he doesn't feel a move to another state at this point in life would be in his best interest, he would be lauded as making a mature decision.

Humans in general have too much expectations/demands of some kids purely due to the fact that they are athletes.

In that respect, the draft becomes null and void and you go back to using contracts to recruit.

not opposed to this, but it does tend to give rise to inequality amongst clubs.

 

[andleanback]

Likewise with Perkins, what other industry mandates that an 18-year-old gets no say in who he works for or where?

If an 18-year-old in Melbourne was approached by the CBA to move to Sydney for instance, and he turned them down on the basis that he doesn't feel a move to another state at this point in life would be in his best interest, he would be lauded as making a mature decision.

Humans in general have too much expectations/demands of some kids purely due to the fact that they are athletes.

It’s not a totally different situation and not comparable.

 

[TheFrenchCut]

This would simply never happen in the NFL where Eli Manning refused to go to San Diego, got taken by them at pick 1 and successfully demanded to be traded to NY.

 

[Keystone agony]

No ones saying he doesnt have a right he absolutely does

Its the way hes blatantly said it, it didnt need to even be said and couldve been answered much better

Its a slight turn off, i still want him at 6 but clubs wouldve gone to town on his character assessments

 

[The Prosecutor]

In that respect, the draft becomes null and void and you go back to using contracts to recruit.

not opposed to this, but it does tend to give rise to inequality amongst clubs.

I'm not advocating a change of the system per say, rather just playing devil's advocate for those who hold the view that likes of Perkins are entitled (which he/they may well be, but making the point that because they play sport, they are held to much higher standards for no apparent reason other than emotion).

 

[Schnitzengruben]

How does the draft work this year? Is is still the first 20 on the first night, with the rest on the second night?

 

[The Prosecutor]

This would simply never happen in the NFL where Eli Manning refused to go to San Diego, got taken by them at pick 1 and successfully demanded to be traded to NY.

Draft night trading of players should be a thing - have the draft run on a Wednesday night and have the trade period close on the Friday.

 

[Steve94]

I think its 'that attitude' that doesnt necessarily align to hard determined work all the time and thats what you need at the top level not just an athletic body

Even rocking up to the training with a surfies necklace

Old school recruiters/scouts would hate that

In which 90% of them are

If your grading him on whether he works hard I'd say the amount of size he put on in the last 12 months is a greater indicator of his willingness to work than a comment about not wanting to go interstate.

How many good players have wanted a trade home at age 21+ and it's not seen as a sign of poor attitude to them but it is for an 18 year old to not want to leave home?

 

[BrunoV]

Okay a 6 flat is freakish for an 18 year old. 6:30 2 km isn't "good side of average", it's excellent.

6:30 for 2km is not excellent. It's front of the Peleton in any given year (unless the standard is poor). At a club it's the time a super fit but mediocre runner is capable of. Someone like Heppell at his best and I reckon Jobe would have gotten close.

A lot of the good runners don't get significantly better at the time trial from 18 yo because they put on weight and their training changes so while game level endurance always improves the ability to smash a 2km time trial will not necessarily improve.

 

[Steve94]

This would simply never happen in the NFL where Eli Manning refused to go to San Diego, got taken by them at pick 1 and successfully demanded to be traded to NY.

Beat me to it.