Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

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Spoiler: eDPS 2020 Phantom Draft

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Spoiler: Draft Central Draft Guide

 

[Mercurial89]

They are in next years draft.
They have finally realized the window is shut and they are lookin forward. No need for quick fixes now.

recent comments from Adrian, tempering next years expectations and talking about growth also shows that the club is carefully curating the message for next year.

Have we finally learnt?

 

[ant555]

recent comments from Adrian, tempering next years expectations and talking about growth also shows that the club is carefully curating the message for next year.

Have we finally learnt?

It certainly looks like they can see the window has passed us by.

 

[Lore]

It certainly looks like they can see the window has passed us by.

We heard it start creaking a year ago when Joe first requested a trade, jammed a stick in it to prop it open.

The stick started to splinter around the time of the coaching hand over announcement, not that anyone paid it much attention at the time (it wouldn’t matter if the window stayed open).

The stick split down the middle in round 7 when the dogs flogged us, then exploded and the door slammed shut at about round 16 this year when we were no longer even a mathematical chance for finals.

That also felt like the moment that Rutten was allowed to take over, Heppell went for more surgery and Hooker was dropped, among other things.

What we’ve heard since were the echoes... Daniher and Fantasia actually leaving, Saad leaving. Like rats off a sinking ship.

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To stretch the analogy slightly further, I’d say that despite having the window open it has been bricked up for years through injuries etc. an open window to a brick wall.

 

[JayJ20]

I have confidence in Ambrose to have 3 more years

Hes looked after his body as well as any and is already back with the group training, saw his name mentioned somewhere. Foot injurys obviously can not bode well and anither injury plagued year wont have Rutten champing at the bit to keep him after not seeing him for 2 years

Ambitious. I'm not even confident Ambrose will play next year given his injury history.

 

[Milanista28]

I'm fine with our pick's. Top 3 look exciting the other 2 should be solid players.

But out of curiosity based on Dodo's interview, I did wonder what he would of done if Hollands was on the board?
If GCS took say Bruhn, would Dodo still have picked Archie? Reid?
I'm pretty certain Cox and Hollands would of been picked up, just curious who the third might of been in that instance.

I think we took them in the order we rated them, So if GC took Bruhn we'd have taken Hollands, Cox and Archie

 

[Ati Tude]

I think we took them in the order we rated them, So if GC took Bruhn we'd have taken Hollands, Cox and Archie

We will probably never know, but I suspect we were always taking 2 talls, so if we got Hollands, we wouldn't have got Archie.

 

[eth-dog]

I think we took them in the order we rated them, So if GC took Bruhn we'd have taken Hollands, Cox and Archie

I think GC were more likely to take Reid than Bruhn. That would have been interesting

 

[Keystone agony]

Ambitious. I'm not even confident Ambrose will play next year given his injury history.

Id be very surprised and given hes already back down at the club training it bodes well, he wont need a huge PS anyway we all know his natural tank to play anywhere is fine let alone deep back

 

[ant555]

Id be very surprised and given hes already back down at the club training it bodes well, he wont need a huge PS anyway we all know his natural tank to play anywhere is fine let alone deep back

He starts every year well and then does a quad or a something.

 

[Keystone agony]

All of this is if you just pigeon hole this years crop as defenders. Cox has some proven forward form. Reid has some proven ruck form.
Secondly Cox and Reid are not your average KP players. You mention players like Kolodjashnij. Both Reid and Cox are as mobile and use the ball as well. The only difference is they are tall. If both these boys make it they will not be the run of the mill KP players. In defense both will have the scope to play on smaller players like Fletcher did.
It will also give us some potential marking power which we lack up the ground. They will not all be lining up in defense. In fact the plan with Cox is to play him up the ground.
I am not saying there is no risk. These guys have to get in the system and develop the raw skills , avoid injury and have the mental abilities to make it. The after draft has change minds because people can just see the raw potential of these guys. They can see if we get them right they are not your ordinary 200cm players.
As far as age goes. Hurley may well play for a few more years. Ambrose never plays a full year. Hooker will retire.
Then you have BZT who is still very much 50/50. In three years we will need these blokes.
If we draft the smaller players next year then we set up our list for a rebound in 4 years.

Let’s face it, there is a chance that 50% of the players you listed will not be there in 3 years. BTZ and Francis are not locks. Hurley and Ambrose will be gone. Then you have 7 or so that have not played. If even 4 of them make it we will have done well.

I think they have looked at the big picture well. Looks like they have a 3 year draft plan and have taken KP players this year as they look to be the best in the next 2 drafts.

I will Finish by saying by saying if Reid makes it you are looking at a 200cm Jordan Ridley

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Jordan Ridley

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

4.5

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

244.8

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

6.7

5star

T

1.7

3star

MG

265.4

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

MG

208.2

4star

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I have no question marks on these guys being good defenders they have the traits albeit need to stack in size and with that comes compications that changes their current makeup but i stilk have confidence

I agree they have again gone down the path that talls take longer to develop and we can bring in a top line mid next year/year after and potentially get significant impact out of them 12-24 months into the system

Id just wish we did that now with one more

Alot of teams have gotten away with some prett small 2nd fiddle backs and no doubt these guys are pretty body strong but Kolo/Harry T, Grimes, Gardiner, Jonas from the more successful sides are hardly massive. I think Francis, Ridley have the stature of the above guys

I think all were saying that Harry T and Henderson were done 2 years ago aswell.

I just think the balance of our list is too tall currently especially with such a reduced number.

But i back in the recruiters they know more about specific players and maybe the Reid gap over a Powell/Bruhn/Henry was too significant to pass up and the mids look plentiful early next year although a heap of those names will change and the talls do take ppace more in the kast year as they finish the major growth spurt and adjust to current size

 

[ant555]

I have no question marks on these guys being good defenders they have the traits albeit need to stack in size and with that comes compications that changes their current makeup but i stilk have confidence

I agree they have again gone down the path that talls take longer to develop and we can bring in a top line mid next year/year after and potentially get significant impact out of them 12-24 months into the system

Id just wish we did that now with one more

Alot of teams have gotten away with some prett small 2nd fiddle backs and no doubt these guys are pretty body strong but Kolo/Harry T, Grimes, Gardiner, Jonas from the more successful sides are hardly massive. I think Francis, Ridley have the stature of the above guys

I think all were saying that Harry T and Henderson were done 2 years ago aswell.

I just think the balance of our list is too tall currently especially with such a reduced number.

But i back in the recruiters they know more about specific players and maybe the Reid gap over a Powell/Bruhn was too significant to pass up and the mids look plentiful early next year although a heap of those names will change and the talls do take ppace more in the kast year as they finish the major growth spurt and adjust to current size

Henderson yes looked washed up.
Harry T no for me. Has always been good and really he is an A grade star so even at 80% he is 20% better than an Ambrose.
Not sure what that has to do with anything given we a re looking 3 years forward. Hooker will be gone. Hurley may be there and Ambrose will be gone as he is simply a good average player. Like I said he is no Harry Taylor.

What is wrong with picking 200cm players that move like 190cm players ? We are not talking big plodders here. You seem to be stuck on the center meters. Cox produced midfield numbers at testing. He runs around like a 190cm midfielder. He will be something different to anything else if they can convert his raw ability into AFL level.
In a three year draft plan you pick the best of what you think is in that 3 year block. From the information I have gleaned from a few inside the system although the form is not totally exposed this was the draft to pick your KP players early as the depth was there. Next year will be load up on midfield and then the following year balance things out.
The other aspect is are the midfielders we passed on as good as a McGrath or Caldwell or even Parish ? Should we pick a midfielder and pass on a tall when we are not getting the absolute best player given we do have some young midfielders with 7 or 8 years left in them and the next draft looks to hold greater midfield depth. Of course IMO you do pick Hollands if he was there.
The extra midfielder could also come over summer. We will have two spots so one spot to be filled before the season and the next one most likely mid season once we see who is up and running in the VFL / SANFL ? WAFL

Right now maybe we are a bit tall but I can guarantee in 2024 at least 50% of our tall stock will be different.
Secondly 190cm or 200cm. Who cares ? If these blokes can run and kick like 188cm midfielders then it is no issue being 200cm over 195cm.
At the start of a mini rebuild where you are looking at two to three drafts I do not see the issue if you find your KP prospects in the first draft.
AS for next years KP players , yes some will come through and shoot up the order but I have had a look at the pool and right now there are only two or 3 in the top 30 and one in the top 15 range. I can not see 7 or 8 pushing through into the top 30 to give the same depth as this year. 3 or 4 maybe with 2 or 3 moving towards top 10.

 

[nonamehack]

The good thing that 3 1st this year did means that in the current 4 year block 2020 to 2023 we have already got our quota of 2 1sts done. So if we wanted to could trade out the next 3 years 1sts and still be legal. Just would mean that 2024 and 2025 can't use trade them. But gives us a lot of scope for wiggle room.

 

[Old Campaigner]

The good thing that 3 1st this year did means that in the current 4 year block 2020 to 2023 we have already got our quota of 2 1sts done. So if we wanted to could trade out the next 3 years 1sts and still be legal. Just would mean that 2024 and 2025 can't use trade them. But gives us a lot of scope for wiggle room.

I feel like accumulating enough draft points to pick up the Davy twins might be more of an issue than trying to trade players in. We've committed to a longer term approach now, no need to try on the destination club shit again for a couple of drafts at least.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I agree they have again gone down the path that talls take longer to develop and we can bring in a top line mid next year/year after and potentially get significant impact out of them 12-24 months into the system

Id just wish we did that now with one more

What does bringing in an extra midfielder now get us that getting one next year won't?

No one available at our picks was going to be the difference between finishing 13th and making finals.

 

[nonamehack]

I feel like accumulating enough draft points to pick up the Davy twins might be more of an issue than trying to trade players in. We've committed to a longer term approach now, no need to try on the destination club sh*t again for a couple of drafts at least.

Maybe using trade in wasn't the right wording. But more we can be flexible with transferring future picks around. Like being able to trade out 2022 for a 21 1st and that, which seems ideal if the crop of mids continues the improve on current standards.

 

[nonamehack]

What does bringing in an extra midfielder now get us that getting one next year won't?

No one available at our picks was going to be the difference between finishing 13th and making finals.

And I might be in the minority here. But I'd happily finish bottom 4 for the next 2 years. And then make an attack at top 4 rather than being fringe finals and getting fringe top 10 picks

 

[Old Campaigner]

And I might be in the minority here. But I'd happily finish bottom 4 for the next 2 years. And then make an attack at top 4 rather than being fringe finals and getting fringe top 10 picks

I doubt that will happen.

We added an inside midfielder in Caldwell which will go some way to improving our midfield. He's not the tall midfielder people were calling for but he's going to help.

We've got one coach in charge now, and what should be an uninterrupted preseason to work on the gameplan he wants to implement. I think we were made to look worse last season than we really were because of the training restrictions and interrupted season making it impossible to learn the new game plan he wanted, on top of issues caused by any mixed messaging going on from having Worsfold still around.

We've got Draper fit, with another preseason under his belt he could be a beast. Having a dominant ruck will do wonders for the midfield group imo.

That's all if everything goes well. In reality it's never smooth sailing but I honestly don't see us bottoming out.

The biggest issue I think is the loss of Saad and McKenna. They were really important to our game, and while we've got potential replacements there's a lot of question marks over whether they can play that role effectively enough that we aren't dragged down by that part of the ground. We bought in Hind for this reason, but he's a poor man's Saad at best from what I've seen. Maybe one of the Irish kids can step up and fill the void those two left, or maybe one of Reid or Cox can play that role in their first year. We can also use Redman in that role too I suppose, he was poor last season but it sounds like he was dealing with OP so maybe he can regain his form with a good preseason. Maybe the gameplan changes to be less reliant on run off half back to break lines. Who knows?

 

[nonamehack]

Just one other thing. To me it seems like academy/nga/father son needs another overhaul.

Reading the article on the afl website 55 bids have come in and all but 11 have been matched. And pretty much all the successful bids have been in the high 30s or later (therefore speculative).

I know they are changing NGA after JUH and the like. But to me 80% matched means teams and getting too much of a benefit from the system. To me you shouldn't get a discount of 10% (correct if wrong) you should actually pay a premium.

And yes the premium is the money they spend in development but clubs are smart enough to pump the money into their talented young stars and it shows by so many top 30 picks that are one of Academy/NGA/father sons

 

[Old Campaigner]

I think the changes they have introduced are fine.

Outside the first round of the draft the differences between each player are pretty minimal so the benefit to one club getting access to a player there isn't dramatic, and certainly doesn't stop the draft from equalizing the competition. If the league actually wanted to stop some clubs gaining an unfair advantage they'd do something about free agency.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Essendon's Adrian Dodoro called, offering 40 and a third-rounder for what was now 27. "I wake up sweating about Adrian Dodoro," Hine joked to the gregarious, notorious Essendon list manager.

During the break, Fremantle and West Coast vied for pick 27. The Eagles offered a second and third-round pick. Freo's David Walls trumped this with an offer of pick 30 and a future third for 27 and pick 59.

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Interesting, obviously we were prepared to take 6 players if the right type was available.

Maybe we were trying to trade up to get O'Driscoll eDPS

 

[BomberARMY]

Interesting, obviously we were prepared to take 6 players if the right type was available.

Maybe we were trying to trade up to get O'Driscoll eDPS

I reckon it would've been for Rioli bid.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Interesting, obviously we were prepared to take 6 players if the right type was available.

Maybe we were trying to trade up to get O'Driscoll eDPS

Or an earlier bid on walker?

 

[Dons4Life]

Few options who it could have been. O’Driscoll seems the main one, maybe berry, pouter, an earlier bid on walker or Rioli. At least we explored the option of looking to move for the right player.

 

[eDPS]

Interesting, obviously we were prepared to take 6 players if the right type was available.

Maybe we were trying to trade up to get O'Driscoll eDPS

We interviewed Jack Carroll close to the draft, Caleb Poulter could have been another

 

[Lore]

According to Knightmare four of our five draftees are 'reaches' – basically any Victorian KPP is a risk and therefore lower on his own draft board, so a 'reach'.