Draft Watch part 2

[ize_]

I would haved been rapt if we got Vickery at pick 40, but at pick 8, it was a complete shemozzle.
I will once again go on record and say that this guy was an out and out failure at pick 8.

If Barnz said something like that about anyone else you'd be all over him. Not a chance you can write Vicks off now. Looking back, there's no one taken after Vickery I'd be immensely thrilled with, bar Sidebottom, who still has questions over his commitment. Ziebell will be a good ordinary player.

 

[Azzleberry]

Re: No-one would be more pissed off than me

Azz - i don't understand. I didn't have Vickery in my top 15. Don't think my preference of Gorringe to Vickery at all correlates to how good I think the draft pool is?

I wasn't having a go at you personally. Just trying to make a point that a lot (not all) recruiters and footy observers rated Vickery, as the 2nd best ruck behind Natanui and good enough to warrant a pick between 4-12 in the 08 draft, which was believed to be very strong.... Now this draft has had 7 or so top 20-30 players removed from it and if it was a full draft year, I think Gorringe would be rated around the 10-20 mark..
I understand it's hard to rate draft years against each other...
Note: I'm getting a bit sick of all the Vickery bashing on here... He has has 2 seasons FFS and as a ruck has done ok. How many 200cm kids play that many games in there first 2 seasons??? When you compare him to Nic nat, he is behind on "Potential" but ACTUAL output he is not that far behind... You need to give him until 2012 season when he is 22/23 to judge him...

 

[Azzleberry]

I would haved been rapt if we got Vickery at pick 40, but at pick 8, it was a complete shemozzle.
I will once again go on record and say that this guy was an out and out failure at pick 8.

Tugg, your better than that mate..
How many times have people come on here and written off a player and been critisized by all and soundry (including you)???
The guy is a 20 year old ruck FFS... Needs time and we knew this when we drafted him. Will not show his true output until 2012 IMO...

 

[_RT_]

I can see this board having a similar discussion in 2-3 years time if we read out Lynchs name on draft night. He looks like another kid who is going to take a little bit of time before we really see the full package.

As for Vickery, I think you're being a bit harsh Tugga, while he hasn't taken the game by the scruff like Kreuzer there have been some real signs that he will be a very good player for us when he finally gets a body that will enable him to compete properly. Kreuzer entered this year as 200cm 99kg ruckman, while Vickery entered as a 200cm 89kg ruckman. Hopefully the 2011 season will see Vickery bump up to at least the mid 90 kg range, for if he does I think we'll see a better showing from him, but even then I still think he is another 2 years away from reaching his full potential.

 

[THE_GUN]

If the tigers select lynch at pick 6 will it be possible to play
Griffiths 199cm , lynch 199cm , vickery 200cm , riewoldt 195cm ,taylor 190cm
all in the same foward line !

By selecting lynch, we must believe that in 2 years time we will be going into games with all of the above players in our starting line up, along with post & astbury in defence also a legitimate ruckman in either graham/browne.

Will we fowardline function with all these 'big' fowards.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Will we fowardline function with all these 'big' fowards.

Or Lynch could be taken under the assumption that in 2-3 years, a couple of those could/might not be still on the list!

As of right now, Griffith has shown a little, but has long term injury concerns, and Taylor has even a bigger question mark, and even Vickery wouldn't be a player I would have stamped as a 'forward' (for any length of time anyway).

So that leaves Jack....

 

[McGun]

My Wish List:

6. Polec
30. Harper (Could happen)

 

[THE_GUN]

Or Lynch could be taken under the assumption that in 2-3 years, a couple of those could/might not be still on the list!

As of right now, Griffith has shown a little, but has long term injury concerns, and Taylor has even a bigger question mark, and even Vickery wouldn't be a player I would have stamped as a 'forward' (for any length of time anyway).

So that leaves Jack....

All these players will be given the oppurtunity to make it & we should work on the presumption that they will due to the fact that all have only been at punt road 12 months.

Otherwise we have the same question marks on all our players , there is no reason they shouldnt & all have the required talents.

 

[ize_]

My Wish List:

6. Polec
30. Harper (Could happen)

If we get Harper with our second pick I couldn't care less who we get with our first. Would be a serious "football gods are shining on them" scenario. I'd say not possible. But imagine...

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

If the tigers select lynch at pick 6 will it be possible to play
Griffiths 199cm , lynch 199cm , vickery 200cm , riewoldt 195cm ,taylor 190cm
all in the same foward line !

By selecting lynch, we must believe that in 2 years time we will be going into games with all of the above players in our starting line up, along with post & astbury in defence also a legitimate ruckman in either graham/browne.

Will we fowardline function with all these 'big' fowards.

Thing is Gun, that Griff plays your natural FF role, Reiwoldt would be perfect as a third tall who can pluck contested marks and Lynch is your stereotypical lead up CHF, who blows up his opponent with repeat leads.

I think Vickery would replace Jack or Griff when not on the bench/playing as a ruckman.

I don't think it's too tall at all, because Lynch plays a role of a much smaller man.

Interested on some feedback to the Michie selection once I've written him up.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Enough with the 'Jack's a third tall' crap. He's the best full forward in the league.

 

[THE_GUN]

My Wish List:

6. Polec
30. Harper (Could happen)

McGun If that happens.................. Drinks on me !

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Enough with the 'Jack's a third tall' crap. He's the best full forward in the league.

When Griff fills out the first defender goes to him. Simple as that.

 

[THE_GUN]

Thing is Gun, that Griff plays your natural FF role, Reiwoldt would be perfect as a third tall who can pluck contested marks and Lynch is your stereotypical lead up CHF, who blows up his opponent with repeat leads.

I think Vickery would replace Jack or Griff when not on the bench/playing as a ruckman.

I don't think it's too tall at all, because Lynch plays a role of a much smaller man.

Interested on some feedback to the Michie selection once I've written him up.

I do believe tha type of setup would work, if we had another ruckman such as kreuzer,clarke,natunui or even gorringe rather than graham.

where 1 of the players could constantly be rotating through ruck & a foward role as we would have the flexability to play any of 4-5 player in the ruck.

Angus Graham really hinders this setup.

 

[Azzleberry]

Interested on some feedback to the Michie selection once I've written him up.

Good choice IMO. Like the look and sound of him. At 47, did you think he wouldn't last until 51? Or just going best available?

Enough with the 'Jack's a third tall' crap. He's the best full forward in the league.

100% Agree. I don't understand this third tall business. He is 195cm and 93kg at 22years old. That is Key Position in anyone's books.

McGun If that happens.................. Drinks on me !

I'm not even going to say what I would do to make that happen!!

When Griff fills out the first defender goes to him. Simple as that.

Disagree! Best defender will go to the most dangerous forward. That is the player who will kick the most goals/influence the game more. If that was the case, the best defender should go to Kozi rather than Nick R. (sorry to compare griff to kozi)..... The #1 defender will go to Jack for the next 10 years!

 

[richoatthedisco]

When Griff fills out the first defender goes to him. Simple as that.

No mate, not that simple. First defender goes to the most dangerous player, which is Jack, by a long way at this point. If Griff becomes more dangerous we break out the champers. Either way, Jack is still a key forward. Taylor, if he makes it, is your third tall.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

No mate, not that simple. First defender goes to the most dangerous player, which is Jack, by a long way at this point. If Griff becomes more dangerous we break out the champers. Either way, Jack is still a key forward. Taylor, if he makes it, is your third tall.

So you don't think there's a need for Griff, Jack and another tall forward?

 

[richoatthedisco]

Jack, Griff, Taylor = 1st, 2nd, 3rd tall forwards. Vickery = resting ruck stretching the defence. Ditto Post if he makes it in that role. If Grimes and Goo both make it or we recruit someone like Chalwell, Astbury is also an option.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Is anyone scared that if we go with lynch with pick 6 we could end up like hawthorn by having to many KPF that cant break into the team.

 

[richoatthedisco]

No. If Dowler and Thorp were any good they would have either got a game or been traded for a good pick. Both were delisted.

 

[TigerTime88]

TF Michie is a great selection at 47. I actually had him on my list of guys potentially taking at pick 29 however it is probably a bit of a reach.

He can play in the middle or go forward and kick goals...very balanced player. Would be stoked with him at 47 in the real thing combined with Polec and say a Green/Mitchell or Parker.

Alex Fasolo at 51 would be a clear choice for me from now on as well.

 

[_RT_]

Enough with the 'Jack's a third tall' crap. He's the best full forward in the league.

12 months ago I was in the Jack will be a great 3rd tall option, but after watching him this year there is no way I'd move him away from the square as he is just too dangerous and damaging to be pushed up the ground or into a pocket.

In my ideal forwardline I would love to have Jack @ FF, Griff @ CHF, Taylor HF/FP, King/Hicks in the other pocket and then a couple of mid sized resting midfielders, who can kick goal, in the other 2 spots.

This is why I suggested taking someone like Walker with a 3rd round pick or later as a young KPF we could develop at Coburg for a couple of years while we see if Griff can get over the injury concerns. If he does then great we've still got a young KPF as backup or trade bait, if he doesn't then we've got a ready made replacement that has spent a couple of years in our system and can come in and have a crack at making CHF his.

 

[Barnzy]

When Griff fills out the first defender goes to him. Simple as that.

First defender normally denotes the best hence he would go to Riewoldt. Unless you're saying you think Griffiths will be better than Riewoldt?

As for people talking about structure, It's still the traditional CHF and FF IMO. Not many teams roll with 3 talls up forward, Geelong did it on and off this year but more because they got a gem in Pods and Hawkins was in and out with Mooney there as well. You could have another versatile player there like a Taylor though if he makes it but can't see another 195cm+ player there. Also resting ruckman pushes down there.

What we're missing right now is a true lead-up CHF. We have our FF in Riewoldt. Post and Griffiths have to fight for this role. If Lynch is recruited he would join that queue. Then again, that could push Post back and give us another option there.

 

[TigerTime88]

I do believe tha type of setup would work, if we had another ruckman such as kreuzer,clarke,natunui or even gorringe rather than graham.

where 1 of the players could constantly be rotating through ruck & a foward role as we would have the flexability to play any of 4-5 player in the ruck.

Angus Graham really hinders this setup.

How is that Graham has approved at AFL level that he can play forward and kick goals...Vickery has not!

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

TF Michie is a great selection at 47. I actually had him on my list of guys potentially taking at pick 29 however it is probably a bit of a reach.

He can play in the middle or go forward and kick goals...very balanced player. Would be stoked with him at 47 in the real thing combined with Polec and say a Green/Mitchell or Parker.

Alex Fasolo at 51 would be a clear choice for me from now on as well.

I'm not looking for Fasolo at 51 unless both the talls I'm looking for are taken.

Needs pick now.