Draft Watch

[Mr Magic]

people stop crapping on about lynch had his pants pulled down by watson always go 4 mids first pick talls round 3 or 4 wake up

Well if they did that , Franklin, Roughy wouldn't be at Hawthorn, where would N Reiwoldt end up , or JR for that matter not to mention Pavlich, v Fiora and Watts.

It is not like Cotch or Dusty M is at 6!!

We can get wingers later and Grigg will be handy with Foley, Marto, Cotch and Lids at times with Tuck providing support. Our major weaknesses is not the midfield these days!!

 

[Toadvine]

people stop crapping on about lynch had his pants pulled down by watson always go 4 mids first pick talls round 3 or 4 wake up

Hardly had his pants pulled down he was being triple team from the first bounce and still managed to create 3 or 4 goals when working up the ground.

By your thinking we wouldn't have Riewoldt and the hawks wouldn't have Buddy.

I'm not saying we should pick Lynch I'm saying that ruling out talls all together is stupid.

 

[fred swift]

Well if they did that , Franklin, Roughy wouldn't be at Hawthorn, where would N Reiwoldt end up , or JR for that matter not to mention Pavlich, v Fiora and Watts.

It is not like Cotch or Dusty M is at 6!!

We can get wingers later and Grigg will be handy with Foley, Marto, Cotch and Lids at times with Tuck providing support. Our major weaknesses is not the midfield these days!!

franklin has had 1 good year, roughy is a spud , n reiwoldt is a sook ( girl ) never to win a flag, i wll give u pav o yer buddy is a wing man not kf cant take 1 crab mark always 3or 4 bites.watts im still wayting 4 something always take mids mids and more mids

 

[fred swift]

Hardly had his pants pulled down he was being triple team from the first bounce and still managed to create 3 or 4 goals when working up the ground.

By your thinking we wouldn't have Riewoldt and the hawks wouldn't have Buddy.

I'm not saying we should pick Lynch I'm saying that ruling out talls all together is stupid.

yer forwards let me think o yer how about shultz cleve, maybe a petts do u want me to keep going

 

[Mr Magic]

yer forwards let me think o yer how about shultz cleve, maybe a petts do u want me to keep going

Cleve Hughes was something like pick 20 so we lost little and Schultz pick 12 was okay, bearing in mind those drafts were not compromised.

Lynch has more upside than Schulz and definitely Hughes i would have thought!!

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Boy Fred - you talk some smack.

You refuse to acknowledge good forwards taken early - and then make your case using a smattering of tall forwards taken 1st/2nd round border?

 

[folester41]

we need a key defender and a key foward more then we need a wingman, but i dont rate lynch.

 

[juss]

franklin has had 1 good year, roughy is a spud , n reiwoldt is a sook ( girl ) never to win a flag, i wll give u pav o yer buddy is a wing man not kf cant take 1 crab mark always 3or 4 bites.watts im still wayting 4 something always take mids mids and more mids

seriously your either being a troll or know very little about football?
Roughead and Franklin are big contested marking forwards, more than capable of holding down the key posts. They kicked something like 180 goals between them in 2008. Riewoldt would be in the game's top 5 players, some would have him at number 1.
Key forwards in the first round actually have a pretty good success rate recently. Jack Riewoldt was taken with our first pick for example. It's ruckmen taken in the first round that are the risk IMO.

You can find gun mids throughout the draft. Many gun mids have come from gem late picks or even off the rookie list. For me it's best available at pick 6. On your logic, if by some miracle Day fell through to pick 6 you wouldn't take him?

 

[delediofan3]

seriously your either being a troll or know very little about football?
Roughead and Franklin are big contested marking forwards, more than capable of holding down the key posts. They kicked something like 180 goals between them in 2008. Riewoldt would be in the game's top 5 players, some would have him at number 1.
Key forwards in the first round actually have a pretty good success rate recently. Jack Riewoldt was taken with our first pick for example. It's ruckmen taken in the first round that are the risk IMO.

You can find gun mids throughout the draft. Many gun mids have come from gem late picks or even off the rookie list. For me it's best available at pick 6. On your logic, if by some miracle Day fell through to pick 6 you wouldn't take him?

does nic naitanui come to mind?

 

[T4P]

Pretty easy I would have thought. I am not sure Griffiths can cover the ground agility wise like Lynch. So Lynch is more you HF and Griff you leading FF type. JR is your third tall kicking 100 goals between deep roaming and half forward at times.

JR is better as a third tall like Richo was always a wingman since the allies match whe he started out!!!. Our biggest problems are in the backline and midfield. Our small forwards have to improve as well.

I think the problem now is, the third tall should always be a ruckman now with the new interchange rule?

From what I saw of Griffiths last season in the 1sts, he was very quick for his size.

 

[Mr Magic]

I think the problem now is, the third tall should always be a ruckman now with the new interchange rule?

From what I saw of Griffiths last season in the 1sts, he was very quick for his size.

I don't doubt Griffiths is quick from reports. I am just think he may be more of a Tippet, S Beazley role player who can kick them from HF as well. Still a great prospect if he gets his body right. From memory I am not sure he has the agility of a JR . I might be wrong as I haven't seen much of him. This is were he may be better off predominately in a leading role, with JR providing the highlight reel next to him deep one out in the forward pocket, occasionally leading to a forward flank and going half forward creating havoc and someone like Lynch half forward, up the ground and switching through the middle and Ruck if possible. Griff might also be able to pinch hit Ruck particularly when it is forward.

Astbury , and Post can settle down back and sometimes come forward in cameo roles depending on the situation.

I think St Kilda in the GF would have loved Lynch as a link to NR further up the field the way he reads.

The recruiters will have a better idea than me though!!

 

[UpTheGuts]

sorry guys, please dont crucify me for the following comments. that highlight package reminds me so much of justin sherman six years ago.
pick six this year is pretty crucial to the tiges going forward, i really do hope harper doesnt end up as another sherman.

I thought it was just me!!

FWIW, I think Andy Collins' gait is similar to Riccuito

 

[partycorolla]

does nic naitanui come to mind?

Nic Nat has done nothing of note yet.... Josh Fraser was a number 1 pick.... never really delivered on that tag.

I hope that they draft a gun mid or gun forward

 

[Mr Magic]

I am definitely in the Lynch bandwagon now the more I think about it.

If Lynch is 199cm , with a basketball background he should be able to pinch hit the Ruck or at least provide a contest. His reported run and kicking for that height and reasonable marking is too much to ignore IMO at 6. He is a far more imposing forward than the Ruckman which is critical

I think he can give us a competitive advantage over other teams. In am coming from the perspective we will not need another second ruckman.

In other words, I think long term our Ruck can be handled by Vickery, Lynch, Griffiths( particularly in the forward line) and Post off the bench/swingman and in defense at times.

This is where we gain from not having another pure Ruckman who can be too one dimensional at times particularly when their tap work can be negated by a quality opposing midfield which we have.


Also, in our middle we can have Martin against bigger opposition wingman eg.Diperdomenico style(who into ruckrover at times),Lids on other wing, Foley rover, Cotch centre and Grigg ruck rover(if stevens is right about his contestability). Plus others that can interchange and provide support. So I do not think we are necessarily crying out for an outside mid who we can get in later drafts anyway!

Furthermore, while Lynch goes into Ruck, Griff could move up to half forward or Astbury/Post switch to the forward line from the backline!!

Getting Lynch would be a massive win for us regarding team balance , potency and flexibility

 

[TigerTime88]

I am definitely in the Lynch bandwagon now the more I think about it.

If Lynch is 199cm , with a basketball background he should be able to pinch hit the Ruck or at least provide a contest. His reported run and kicking for that height and reasonable marking is too much to ignore IMO at 6. He is a far more imposing forward than the Ruckman which is critical

I think he can give us a competitive advantage over other teams. In am coming from the perspective we will not need another second ruckman.

In other words, I think long term our Ruck can be handled by Vickery, Lynch, Griffiths( particularly in the forward line) and Post off the bench/swingman and in defense at times.

This is where we gain from not having another pure Ruckman who can be too one dimensional at times particularly when their tap work can be negated by a quality opposing midfield which we have.


Also, in our middle we can have Martin against bigger opposition wingman eg.Diperdomenico style(who into ruckrover at times),Lids on other wing, Foley rover, Cotch centre and Grigg ruck rover(if stevens is right about his contestability). Plus others that can interchange and provide support. So I do not think we are necessarily crying out for an outside mid who we can get in later drafts anyway!

Furthermore, while Lynch goes into Ruck, Griff could move up to half forward or Astbury/Post switch to the forward line from the backline!!

Getting Lynch would be a massive win for us regarding team balance , potency and flexibility

The thing for me is that Mitchell is obtainable at pick 28 or whatever we have and I think he is just as good...he has grown a hell of alot as well and is 198cm.

That way we get say Atley/Harper/Pitt/Polec at 6 and then our big tall at 28. To be honest I think we will definitley go a mid at 6, purely because of the way the club has been talking over the last few years. I think they believe that we have drafted all our KP needs in previous drafts.

I think this interchange rule suits us more than other teams as the ruckman will be the first guy to get chopped and it is something we lack. Post, Griffiths and Mitchell would all be able to play second fiddle to Graham and eventually Vickery...

 

[Mr Magic]

The thing for me is that Mitchell is obtainable at pick 28 or whatever we have and I think he is just as good...he has grown a hell of alot as well and is 198cm.

That way we get say Atley/Harper/Pitt/Polec at 6 and then our big tall at 28. To be honest I think we will definitley go a mid at 6, purely because of the way the club has been talking over the last few years. I think they believe that we have drafted all our KP needs in previous drafts.

I think this interchange rule suits us more than other teams as the ruckman will be the first guy to get chopped and it is something we lack. Post, Griffiths and Mitchell would all be able to play second fiddle to Graham and eventually Vickery...

Is Mitchell on the same level as Lynch though?? Can Mitchell play in the Ruck and cover the same ground??



i am not an expert on these players mind you, just what i read and website vision.

The only reason I would go with lynch is cause apparently he can cover the ground really well read the play etc for a 199cm,,, Does Mitchell do this?? If we might be talking apples and oranges the comparison are irrelevant for me. Te thing that attracts me to Lynch is good forward who should be able to play Ruck. If Lynch can't play Ruck I probably wouldn't get him.

The other thing is will Mitchell be available at 29 for our second round!!

There is another player who could be handy at this mark. It is not simple!!

BTW unless Graham improves considerably he is simply not good enough long term as he doesn't currently bring enough to the table on match day. Vickery has youth on his side but is in the same boat. I think Vickery is more likely to improve and develop as he grows into his body and make it though.

 

[Mr Magic]

Is Mitchell on the same level as Lynch though?? Can Mitchell play in the Ruck and cover the same ground??



i am not an expert on these players mind you, just what i read and website vision.

The only reason I would go with lynch is cause apparently he can cover the ground really well read the play etc for a 199cm,,, Does Mitchell do this?? If we might be talking apples and oranges the comparison are irrelevant for me. Te thing that attracts me to Lynch is good forward who should be able to play Ruck. If Lynch can't play Ruck I probably wouldn't get him.

The other thing is will Mitchell be available at 29 for our second round!!

There is another player who could be handy at this mark. It is not simple!!

BTW unless Graham improves considerably he is simply not good enough long term as he doesn't currently bring enough to the table on match day. Vickery has youth on his side but is in the same boat. I think Vickery is more likely to improve and develop as he grows into his body and make it though.

I actually think our Ruck/forward options are more pressing than our midfield at the moment. Lynch could kill two birds with one stone but the recruiters have a better idea than me I suppose. I really do not have any close knowledge of how good the draftees are except the web vision and write-ups.

Either way, we shouldn't be plugging holes with mugs whatever we do!!!

 

[TigerTime88]

But since when has Lynch become a ruckman? YOu are questioning whether Mitchell can do all these things yet Lynch hasn't shown he can?

Midfields are what win premierships and anyone thinking ours is even close to complete to is living a fairy tale.

Cotchin, Morton, Martin, Deledio, Foley, Edwards is a very good start but we still need another 2 quality players to add to that. Hence why I would be keen to take a quality mid at 6 like Harper and then even at pick 28 I would be keen to try and grab one of Prestia, Michie, Jacobs ect...or Mitchell if available.

Post can play 2nd ruck really well, he showed that against Port. I see that as his position and Vickery will have to step up to be first ruck. This means we have Griff and Roo in the forward line with Post switching in and out.

If you grab guys like Jacobs and Michie at 28 they can sit on the HFF and kick goals, not to mention Harper. Our quality small forwards that go into the midfield ala Paul Chapman are what we need desperatley.

I am also of the belief that if Vickery is not making the grade we do what the Pies and Geelong did and that is trade for a mature age ruckman with a good pedigree.

Lynch does not impress me much. He covers the ground ok but reminds me of David Hale in a big way...not to mention he doesn't really kick many goals. Mitchell has proven that he can kick goals and he could be a bargain considering he was injured a fair bit of this year.

 

[_RT_]

But since when has Lynch become a ruckman? YOu are questioning whether Mitchell can do all these things yet Lynch hasn't shown he can?

Midfields are what win premierships and anyone thinking ours is even close to complete to is living a fairy tale.

Cotchin, Morton, Martin, Deledio, Foley, Edwards is a very good start but we still need another 2 quality players to add to that. Hence why I would be keen to take a quality mid at 6 like Harper and then even at pick 28 I would be keen to try and grab one of Prestia, Michie, Jacobs ect...or Mitchell if available.

Post can play 2nd ruck really well, he showed that against Port. I see that as his position and Vickery will have to step up to be first ruck. This means we have Griff and Roo in the forward line with Post switching in and out.

If you grab guys like Jacobs and Michie at 28 they can sit on the HFF and kick goals, not to mention Harper. Our quality small forwards that go into the midfield ala Paul Chapman are what we need desperatley.

I am also of the belief that if Vickery is not making the grade we do what the Pies and Geelong did and that is trade for a mature age ruckman with a good pedigree.

Lynch does not impress me much. He covers the ground ok but reminds me of David Hale in a big way...not to mention he doesn't really kick many goals. Mitchell has proven that he can kick goals and he could be a bargain considering he was injured a fair bit of this year.

Pretty much my thoughts Amcre although I like Pitt at 6, as I reckon he adds that outside option that we're desperate for. I think we're in good shape when it comes to inside types but are really lacking that outside threat.

 

[Mr Magic]

But since when has Lynch become a ruckman? YOu are questioning whether Mitchell can do all these things yet Lynch hasn't shown he can?

Midfields are what win premierships and anyone thinking ours is even close to complete to is living a fairy tale.

Cotchin, Morton, Martin, Deledio, Foley, Edwards is a very good start but we still need another 2 quality players to add to that. Hence why I would be keen to take a quality mid at 6 like Harper and then even at pick 28 I would be keen to try and grab one of Prestia, Michie, Jacobs ect...or Mitchell if available.

Post can play 2nd ruck really well, he showed that against Port. I see that as his position and Vickery will have to step up to be first ruck. This means we have Griff and Roo in the forward line with Post switching in and out.

If you grab guys like Jacobs and Michie at 28 they can sit on the HFF and kick goals, not to mention Harper. Our quality small forwards that go into the midfield ala Paul Chapman are what we need desperatley.

I am also of the belief that if Vickery is not making the grade we do what the Pies and Geelong did and that is trade for a mature age ruckman with a good pedigree.

Lynch does not impress me much. He covers the ground ok but reminds me of David Hale in a big way...not to mention he doesn't really kick many goals. Mitchell has proven that he can kick goals and he could be a bargain considering he was injured a fair bit of this year.

I am speculating, mind you some of the tags on the midfield are a bt over the top. You worry about the midfield but apart from Newie and JR we do not have a seriously recognisable forward and backline yet!!

It is way to premature to be looking at mature age Ruckman. we simply are not in a position for such tactics to be relevant. As for Harper , consistency is important, ability by itself doesn't mean you will make it. Some of these players being mentioned have a lot of question marks! Prestia is simply too short isn't he and mentioning Chapman with these sparks of potential is ludicrous. One has to consider Griffiths may not make it. But I understand were you are coming from regarding perceptions of Lynch. I just don't think midfields at the moment is our necessary antidote!!

 

[TigerTime88]

I am speculating, mind you some of the tags on the midfield are a bt over the top. You worry about the midfield but apart from Newie and JR we do not have a seriously recognisable forward and backline yet!!

It is way to premature to be looking at mature age Ruckman. we simply are not in a position for such tactics to be relevant. As for Harper , consistency is important, ability by itself doesn't mean you will make it. Some of these players being mentioned have a lot of question marks! Prestia is simply too short isn't he and mentioning Chapman with these sparks of potential is ludicrous. One has to consider Griffiths may not make it. But I understand were you are coming from regarding perceptions of Lynch. I just don't think midfields at the moment is our necessary antidote!!

You misunderstood what I was saying regarding trading for a mature age ruckman. Vickery should be our number 1 ruck within 3 years, if by this stage he is not up to scratch and we are challenging THEN we look at other rucks, however I think if you give the kid time he will come good.

Of course 18 yr olds have question marks, if they were a sure thing then every draftee would make it...you are being fairly ridiculous with that comment. Do you not think Lynch also has question marks? What I said was that Harper would play a similar role to Chapman because whether you believe me or not the kid can kick 4 goals from the midfield. He has the most upside out of the top 15 imo and if he improves his consistency then he will be an absolute star. For me given his injuries and what he showed in the previous year, plus his flashes of brillance this year I would be stoked with a player of his calibre at 6....would prefer Harper before Polec.

Prestia is a ruck rover so even though he is short I wouldn't rule him out of our second round calculations purely because of that factor. We don't need the guy to play ruck or KP we need him to get the ball in tight run and use his beautiful shoe to deliver or kick 65m goals. The kid has a massive shoe on him and he is built like an ox so his height doesn't worry me. He is 2-3cm shorter than Marc Murphy and Nathan Foley...who cares.

The other player at 28 I would take if available would be Conca. I think there is going to be plenty of quality around at our second pick and I am actually keen to use pick 26 this year tbh because there are a few I want there, however I am sure I will be thinking the same thing in 2 years time. Considering where we are however, I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world to grab say Harper and then Conca and Prestia/Jacobs or Mitchell.

 

[Dragonfire]

I thought it was just me!!

FWIW, I think Andy Collins' gait is similar to Riccuito

His gait is very similar to that of Fiora

 

[Mr Magic]

You misunderstood what I was saying regarding trading for a mature age ruckman. Vickery should be our number 1 ruck within 3 years, if by this stage he is not up to scratch and we are challenging THEN we look at other rucks, however I think if you give the kid time he will come good.

Of course 18 yr olds have question marks, if they were a sure thing then every draftee would make it...you are being fairly ridiculous with that comment. Do you not think Lynch also has question marks? What I said was that Harper would play a similar role to Chapman because whether you believe me or not the kid can kick 4 goals from the midfield. He has the most upside out of the top 15 imo and if he improves his consistency then he will be an absolute star. For me given his injuries and what he showed in the previous year, plus his flashes of brillance this year I would be stoked with a player of his calibre at 6....would prefer Harper before Polec.

Prestia is a ruck rover so even though he is short I wouldn't rule him out of our second round calculations purely because of that factor. We don't need the guy to play ruck or KP we need him to get the ball in tight run and use his beautiful shoe to deliver or kick 65m goals. The kid has a massive shoe on him and he is built like an ox so his height doesn't worry me. He is 2-3cm shorter than Marc Murphy and Nathan Foley...who cares.

The other player at 28 I would take if available would be Conca. I think there is going to be plenty of quality around at our second pick and I am actually keen to use pick 26 this year tbh because there are a few I want there, however I am sure I will be thinking the same thing in 2 years time. Considering where we are however, I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world to grab say Harper and then Conca and Prestia/Jacobs or Mitchell.

Regarding Presita if you are right he may make a rover but not a ruck rover , with Martin, Grigg and Cotch , forget it. Even Foley won't get a look in at the Ruck rover, the Judd types will run over the top of them.

As for Conca, never heard of him and hasn't seemed to get the attention of the masses for whatever reason. Our half forward line is particularly iffy.

What concerns me, is we do not want to have a running brigade without enough targets like the bulldogs. Lynch has question marks, I am just saying from what I know, which is little, regarding a team building approach for the Tigers I would pick Lynch atm but recruiters should know more than me and he mighn't be good enough.

I think we can add three to our forward line, one or two at the most to our midfield (excluding bench) and one to two to our backline. So in my mind despite JR this is the area which requires the attention. Whether Lynch or Mitchell are good enough is another matter!

People start caring when the wins don't come and people look for answers like , while the hell did we get McMahon!

 

[TigerTime88]

Regarding Presita if you are right he may make a rover but not a ruck rover , with Martin, Grigg and Cotch , forget it. Even Foley won't get a look in at the Ruck rover, the Judd types will run over the top of them.

As for Conca, never heard of him and hasn't seemed to get the attention of the masses for whatever reason. Our half forward line is particularly iffy.

What concerns me, is we do not want to have a running brigade without enough targets like the bulldogs. Lynch has question marks, I am just saying from what I know, which is little, regarding a team building approach for the Tigers I would pick Lynch atm but recruiters should know more than me and he mighn't be good enough.

I think we can add three to our forward line, one or two at the most to our midfield (excluding bench) and one to two to our backline. So in my mind despite JR this is the area which requires the attention. Whether Lynch or Mitchell are good enough is another matter!

People start caring when the wins don't come and people look for answers like , while the hell did we get McMahon!

We have currently a Coleman medailst...a 199cm giant, Jayden Post, David Astbury...I think we have enough targets to go a mid first round and then grab Mitchell or another forward later on.

Prestia may not play RR but he will play midfield.

Deledio, Foley, Cotchin, Martin, Morton, Harper, Prestia, Edwards, Jackson

9 guys who can play middle....loving life!!! Have a look at Collingwood they have Dawes and Cloke and they won a premiership off there midfield. We have Jack, Griff, Post, Astbury....

 

[Mr Magic]

We have currently a Coleman medailst...a 199cm giant, Jayden Post, David Astbury...I think we have enough targets to go a mid first round and then grab Mitchell or another forward later on.

Prestia may not play RR but he will play midfield.

Deledio, Foley, Cotchin, Martin, Morton, Harper, Prestia, Edwards, Jackson

9 guys who can play middle....loving life!!! Have a look at Collingwood they have Dawes and Cloke and they won a premiership off there midfield. We have Jack, Griff, Post, Astbury....

I see Astbury and Post mainly playing in the backline as natural upgrades!