Draft Watch

[ize_]

What a golden child. Lets get Toy!

Other interests - Can't think of anything better than my passion for my job
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If you were an animal what would you be and why - Dog because they are always loyal

From GC website interview

 

[Dr Tigris]

Yeah, this rumour of Toy is floating up all over the place. But whether it is really wishful thinking plus a viral reaction by people like me who want him at their club I don't know. But if he is really wanting to stay in Vic then the RFC has probably the best position to trade from of all clubs. But it would cost a lot to get him.

CC and the footy department would know the situation. So if he is available then I am sure they are after him big time. I reckon he is worth throwing the kitchen sink at.

 

[Rocco_S]

I hope we've learnt our lesson from last year about promoting rookies. I'm not sure if we can keep Gourdis on the rookie list so he's one to be promoted.

But...

Had a good look at the Knights yesterday;

* Love Caddy and he'd be fantastic in our midfield, but at #6 there's better options imo (Gaff). Caddy wont be there by our 2nd.

* Barden was probably best on. He'll take a few years but he'll be a good player. We're pretty set for bigs up forward though with Jack, Griff, Astbury and Morton at times and Taylor. If he's around at our #3rd rd I'd definitely consider. Although he's likely to go top 30 imo.

* Glenn Grgic is our man I think. I'd describe him as a mix of Matthew Stokes and Shane Edwards and would be good across half forward/inside 50. Has great pace, good disposal and tackles really well.

* Billy Longer, the ruckman is an interesting prospect. I thought he played well. Competed hard all day and took a few really good contested marks when he pushed forward. We should look at later on in the draft definitely.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Rocco - Longer's a GWS prospect - or next year.

Grgic is an interesting one - does he have good enough goal sense for a bloke who's nota lead-up type?

I'd be interested in a report on Barden if you're up to it. He's one to keep an eye on.

 

[Toadvine]

Meli was a great small forward for Calder on Saturday. Needs to work on his tank but he has got a lot of tricks and high intencity with and with out the ball. One to keep an eye on I think.

 

[Rocco_S]

Grgic is an interesting one - does he have good enough goal sense for a bloke who's nota lead-up type?

He played pretty much the whole game in the midfield, which is understandable seeing as though he's clearly one of their better players. But I think the Edwards comparison is a good one. I never saw Grgic at the big forwards feet, he did his best work using the ball in the centre square delivering to forwards after easily getting free either at a stoppage or at a contest. So no, probably doesn't have good enough goal sense to play as a 'small forward' like a Eddie Betts/Steven Milne type, although I'd love him chasing opponents outside our 50, then breaking lines and delivering inside 50. His kicking is super impressive.

I'd be interested in a report on Barden if you're up to it. He's one to keep an eye on.

Barden isn't athletic or quick and moves very awkwardly in general but imo I'll put it down to the fact he's still growing/puting on muscle etc. But definitely the most impressive part of his game is his ability to take a contested mark. He's very clean and works very hard - lead after lead, doubling back etc. - and once he gets a few pre-seasons under his belt he will produce a more consistent 4 quarter effort. Kicking for goal needs some work but imo it's easily fixable, field kicking is quite good. Reads the play very well and attracted multiple defenders at most contests he was in. Has played a bit down back and in the ruck, but best spot is easily up forward. Wouldn't call him raw, but would need a few years to adjust and learn a little further. I think he'll be a really good player.

Clearly his best game was against GWS - 6 goals 4 behinds, 17 marks (9 contested!), 23 kicks, 8 handballs.

 

[axel2cotch2lids]

Well id avoid a ruckman and key defenders - we can rookie a couple and develop them.

We need midfielders, keyforwards and small forwards.

There are a list of options that I would see possible getting to six - the first one is a little bit of a long shut but you never know

Sam Day - would be fantastic and could slide to us at 6 - has told WCE and GC17 that he wants to play in VIC or SA and if they pick him he will take up a baseball scholarship in the US.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ZJvJDin0w

Shaun Atley - Hard at it midfielder would be an excellent addition to the midfield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur32F0tf6X4

Jarad Polec - evasive outside midfielder - a little small so im not sold but never seems to get tackled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMR3KNOL8kA

Jed Lamb - super clean outside midfielder/small forward - would be happy if we got him at #6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMO8bLIumk

Andrew Gaff - the accumulator - reminds me of jack ziebell so that’s not a bad thing - not super quick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW4SNIJN5us

jack Darling - a little bit of a secong rate Pav but might slip through to #6 - will be taken by WCE id imagine - off-field issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jlBJ8a1gOQ

josh caddy - really hard at it - much like cunnington at north - I like him a lot but I don’t think he is quite worth pick 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgS3FSF5N_g

P.S. pat Veszpremi from the swans. he was very good in U18 in the same draft as cotchy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWN5V8F9Idk

If these have been posted before then my apologies.

Axel

 

[DeepThroat007]

Well id avoid a ruckman and key defenders - we can rookie a couple and develop them.

We need midfielders, keyforwards and small forwards.

There are a list of options that I would see possible getting to six - the first one is a little bit of a long shut but you never know

Sam Day - would be fantastic and could slide to us at 6 - has told WCE and GC17 that he wants to play in VIC or SA and if they pick him he will take up a baseball scholarship in the US.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ZJvJDin0w

Shaun Atley - Hard at it midfielder would be an excellent addition to the midfield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur32F0tf6X4

Jarad Polec - evasive outside midfielder - a little small so im not sold but never seems to get tackled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMR3KNOL8kA

Jed Lamb - super clean outside midfielder/small forward - would be happy if we got him at #6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMO8bLIumk

Andrew Gaff - the accumulator - reminds me of jack ziebell so that’s not a bad thing - not super quick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW4SNIJN5us

jack Darling - a little bit of a secong rate Pav but might slip through to #6 - will be taken by WCE id imagine - off-field issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jlBJ8a1gOQ

josh caddy - really hard at it - much like cunnington at north - I like him a lot but I don’t think he is quite worth pick 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgS3FSF5N_g

P.S. pat Veszpremi from the swans. he was very good in U18 in the same draft as cotchy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWN5V8F9Idk

If these have been posted before then my apologies.

Axel

I think that ou will find that has changed, Day has agreed to give up his USA career for Football after talking to Ashcroft and MacKenna.

 

[Spluff]

I think that ou will find that has changed, Day has agreed to give up his USA career for Football after talking to Ashcroft and MacKenna.

He hasn't made up his mind yet.

 

[Bojangles17]

Gaff had 41 touches and 5 goals on the weekend. He is just a workhorse mid and something the tigers could use.

**** it would be awesome if we could add someone of this kids callibre to our already emerging midfield pack

 

[Barnzy]

Charger Gaff running hot

September 6, 2010
OAKLEIGH Chargers midfielder Andrew Gaff is considered a top-10 draft prospect after racking up 41 disposals in the thrilling two-point win over Sandringham Dragons in an elimination final at Princes Park yesterday.
Gaff, who is part of the AIS squad and plays school football for Carey Grammar, has had limited matches for the Chargers this season but his skills have made him one of the most wanted in the draft lead-up.


http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/charger-gaff-running-hot-20100905-14w2c.html

Should raise his stocks.

Said it before, wouldn't be surprised if we pick Gaff. Seems a sure bet to make it to at least a good AFL player. I'd prefer a couple others over him on potential and upside, however.

 

[DeepThroat007]

He hasn't made up his mind yet.

i think you read Jay Clarks article in the sunday herald sun page 44

 

[Bazzar]

Interesting to go back over the equivalent thread this time last year.

1. The majority went for Martin @ number 1 (obvious) except for three who went for Butcher.
2. Only two picked Griff. RT was one, forget the other (sorry)
3. Not one single poster picked Astbury, Dea, Webbs or Nason and Taylor was only mentioned because of the Collingwood and GC interest.

Point to this post…. All this speculation, means jack shit. No one here has any idea who Cameron and Dimma wants.

 

[Barnzy]

Interesting to go back over the equivalent thread this time last year.

1. The majority went for Martin number @ 1 (obvious) except for three who went for Butcher.
2. Only two picked Griff. RT was one, forget the other (sorry)
3. Not one single poster picked Astbury, Dea, Webbs or Nason and Taylor was only mentioned because of the Collingwood and GC interest.

Point to this post…. All this speculation, means jack shit. No one here has any idea who Cameron and Dimma wants.

Thanks captain obvious.

 

[Bazzar]

Thanks captain obvious.

Your welcome Mr Negativity

 

[Barnzy]

Your welcome Mr Negativity

Says the one whinging and discouraging positive draft talk.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Speculation is fun though Bazz - as is informing posters about choices as much as we can.

Besides, I got 3 in the mock last year - Griffiths, Martin and Webberley - if a mug like me can get 3 right - others can get more.

 

[_RT_]

Well id avoid a ruckman and key defenders - we can rookie a couple and develop them.

We need midfielders, keyforwards and small forwards.

Why do we need key forwards? We already have Griffiths Post Riewoldt & Westhoff(all are 193cm or taller) on our list adding a 5th key forward would be a waste of time this year, especially when we only have 2 genuine key defenders on our list in Astbury & Gourdis. Moore McGuane & Thursfield, all 3 are under 191cm, play key defender but aren't really big enough to do the job.

 

[Barnzy]

First of all Westhoff is a skinny, project key forward on the Rookie List. He will take time and you have to factor in him not making it. Griffiths is a good prospect but question marks over whether his shoulder can hold up. Question marks on Post's speed. Would be good to have depth in this weak area (Besides Riewoldt) in case these variables don't plan out.

I'd draft at least 1 more KPF - more specifically, a CHF. 2nd or 3rd round probably.

 

[_RT_]

First of all Westhoff is a skinny, project key forward on the Rookie List. He will take time and you have to factor in him not making it. Griffiths is a good prospect but question marks over whether his shoulder can hold up. Question marks on Post's speed. Would be good to have depth in this weak area (Besides Riewoldt) in case these variables don't plan out.

I'd draft at least 1 more KPF - more specifically, a CHF. 2nd or 3rd round probably.

It is all well and good saying we need another KPF for depth reasons but we already have 4 players in that area, granted they have some queries but at least we have them. With KPDs we only really have 2 players of genuine KPD height. Adding at least 1 or 2 more genuine KPD makes more sense if you are wanting to build real depth.

 

[Barnzy]

It is all well and good saying we need another KPF for depth reasons but we already have 4 players in that area, granted they have some queries but at least we have them. With KPDs we only really have 2 players of genuine KPD height. Adding at least 1 or 2 more genuine KPD makes more sense if you are wanting to build real depth.

You don't need every single defender 193cm or over. The problem we have had for a few years now is we have been playing Thursfield/McGuane/Moore all in the 1 team. 1 of them probably has to be traded out, 1 will probably stay in the team long-term and play a 3rd tall role and 1 will be depth.

We have Gourdis, Astbury and Grimes who are all 193cm or over and young. Also Rance at 194cm although he doesn't play his height. I wouldn't be adding anything to this area as of yet. The numbers in this area are good. Maybe you could develop a project 195cm defender on the Rookie List but should be adding another KPF (CHF) for mine if anything onto the senior list.

 

[_RT_]

You don't need every single defender 193cm or over. The problem we have had for a few years now is we have been playing Thursfield/McGuane/Moore all in the 1 team. 1 of them probably has to be traded out, 1 will probably stay in the team long-term and play a 3rd tall role and 1 will be depth.

We have Gourdis, Astbury and Grimes who are all 193cm or over and young. Also Rance at 194cm although he doesn't play his height. I wouldn't be adding anything to this area as of yet. The numbers in this area are good. Maybe you could develop a project 195cm defender on the Rookie List but should be adding another KPF (CHF) for mine if anything onto the senior list.

Yes we've got Gourdis Astbury & Grimes as possible KPD, the problem is between them have played 20 odd games this year, their first year at AFL level. Odds are not all of them will make it, so why no bring in another 194+cm KPD and give ourselves a better chance of finding a couple of long term options to go with the 4 young KPF we already have.

As for Thursfield McGuane & Moore. I'd be looking at trading out 2 of them, McGuane & Thursfield for mine as Moore seems to be the more reliable of the 3 when it comes to disposing of the ball.

Finally just on Rance, don't tell me you've changed your tune, especially after some posts like these, where you have constantly questioned Rances ability to be a KPD in the future:

At least with Gourdis he isn't a stick insect impersonating a KPD. Astbury too, has a real good frame to build on. That's why it's such a shame Rance has those few defecincies (poor judge of ball in flight, can't contest with a forward 1 on 1, etc) that holds him back. He has a very big body and a couple of other decent attributes, something we have lacked for some time up back.

It's because he has the body of a KPD, 193cm and built like a Mac Truck. Playing as a KPD he will be required to man an opponent, even off-half back he's going to exposed in D50. He lacks any aerial ability and has poor judgement of the ball in flight. I'd rather a small player playing a rebounding than Rance because his extra height would be useless given his deficiencies. KPD (FB/CHB) or bust for me, I don't think he's going to make it but happy to be proven wrong.

Rance a jet? Are you joking?

Has no aerial judgment thus gets beaten in the air so he's poor as a defender. Also means he struggles to take an uncontested mark let alone a contested mark. Kicking is and always will be average with his action and ball drop.

I doubt he will get delisted this year, trading is a possibility. Will be probably be kept around for another year and stay a fringe type player. Don't see him making it though, just doesn't have the tools. A poor draft choice. No wonder he was a big slider, just wasn't so obvious to us.

For mine if we're going to keep Rance on I'd have him learning to play as a 3rd tall forward. I just don't see him having any impact at all being a defender.

 

[THE_GUN]

ideally from my point of view we should draft pretty much across the board
looks like we will take 5 on the main list & possibly 2-3 rookie picks

1 kpf , 1 kpd , 1 ruckman , 2 inside mids , 2 outside mids

which players will all depend on which players are available at our picks i suppose but list structure should be looked at provided the quality is there but if there is no siutable kpp available at our pick then select the best available.

hardwicks criteria's should be the thing that gets priority kicking,pride,reading the play etc etc.

WE ARE REALLY STARTING TO GET THIS PLACE GOING !!

 

[ize_]

Midfield is the place we need the most depth, and where we lack the most depth. I would have thought that's pretty clear.

 

[TigerTime88]

Imo we need to go mid at six and mid at 30. If both these picks make it in the long term our midfield rotations are pretty much set. We also need to get two ruckman imo. Should go the best mature age guy from a state league and a good young junior.